Yeah, but is shooting someone based on the fact that they're cruising around in the desert fair punishment (I'm not buyin' that Navajo Nation laws crap)? If I shot someone walking up to my door, I'd go to jail... even if I caught someone in my house climbing back out the window after ripping me off this still isn't justification.... now if someone is in my house and I thought my family's lives were in danger that's a completely different story.
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From: WOLFB8
To:
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Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Navajo Nation
bottom line is they were trespassing private property is just that no matter who owns it!!!!
We will be known by the tracks we leave behind
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From: Mike Ingoglia
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Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Navajo Nation
Let me step back a bit from all political correctness and voice my OPINION:
It's unfortunate about the story of the geocachers being shot at. I've personally met a lot of Navajo people that have a hatred for "white people". These people (not all, but a good number) seem to have a chip on their shoulder about "us" taking the land from them. I've experienced this first hand as well as my wife experienced it growing up in Page, AZ. The way I see it, it is the way humans are. There's not a group of people in history that haven't fought over land rights... including all the Indians. Yeah, we've all become more civilized and politics prevent it from happening as much these days, but they just need to get over it and deal with it... they don't need to be shooting at anyone. If it was up to me, the reservations would become state trust lands and the Indians would have to integrate into our society rather than segregating themselves from it(sorry, I still have a few years until I'm old enough to run for President) :-). It's ridiculous the free ride our government gives them. I just love driving (NOT!) through the reservation (on the highway) and seeing run-down single wides with a satellite dish and a brand new Chevy pickup out front. I'm beginning to believe getting "free rides" is the American way.
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From: mike and gale jett
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:18 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Navajo Nation
Two of you wrote
Also, I had the opportunity to speak to a Sergeant with the Navajo Nation
>Police Department. He told me that they will not allow any geocaches on
>their lands. If you are caught on their lands without a permit you can be
>arrested. This is just a reminder to please not place any caches on tribal
>lands.
The sergeant had a story to tell about a couple of cacher that wee shot at while looking for a cache. When they reported it to him they were sited for trespassing and told that if the people wanted to kill them they would have.
I feel the need to defend the Navajo Nation. Some of you may know that Mike is Navajo born and raised. His family still lives on the reservation. I lived there for 2 years while working for Indian Health Service. Lately the tribe has been having a lot of trouble with gangs, a lot more than you might think. Part of it has to do with the extreme poverty up there as well as unemployment, alcoholism etc. There has also been a huge push lately to return to ultra conservative traditional ways which some older Navajos would like to take as far as cutting out the outside world. That won't ever happen. There are still many rational people up there. The upshot is, as long as you treat the Navajo, Hopi, or any other tribe with great respect, including laws and their privacy, you will be treated the same. Please don't read all of the above and be discouraged from visiting the reservations of Arizona. I've done so for over 20 years, with and without Mike, and have al! ! ways been treated very well. On a side note, Mike and I have been talking about doing an event cache in Canyon de Chelly. His family has a homestead ranch in the Canyon del Muerto branch beyond where the tourists go. There is a trail that leads down to his family's cabin (not a hogan). His family always welcomes guests and permits are not needed for friends of the family to visit. The views are spectacular. Would people be interested?
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