I just can't believe the attitude of some of the Geocachers in this state. I pulled out of this mailing list for a while out of frustration, and returned to find little had changed.
The folks at Geocaching.com do not own the sport of geocaching, but they do own their site and are 100% within their rights to decide what rules to impose on caches that they allow to be posted. None of us has a "right" to circumvent their rules if we disagree, and should be honoring their rules out of respect for what they have done for our hobby. I also think anyone who has found over 20 caches and isn't a charter member should be ashamed of themselves, but that's another thread.
That said, I see nothing wrong with the idea of a Couple/Adults Only cache. So if Geocaching.com won't post it, then post the info for it on your personal web site and list your site in your profile on Geocaching.com. Or go to one of the several other Geocaching web sites out there and support them instead. But if you disagree with Geocaching.com's decision then discuss it, plead your case, etc., but please behave like an adult and honor their final decision.
Jeff.
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian LaFrance
To:
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Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 6:24 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Caches - Different Strokes For Different Folks
Submit the cache as a normal cache and then modify the listing once it is approved...
-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 6:09 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Caches - Different Strokes For Different Folks
We recently read comments regarding caches being listed for different types of objectives including off road caches, etc. I believe it was Team Tierra Buena who mentioned pet friendly caches, kid friendly caches, handicap accessible caches, etc. It is our recent experience that EVERY cache must be "kid" orientated or the reviewers of submitted caches will invoke their own personal belief system and reject the cache for posting.
A little background, we have been geocaching for quite a long period in geocaching terms and enjoyed a wide variety of caches. In many cases we enjoy the hunt of urban caches with our children. At times when the kids are with grandmother we go after more challenging caches. In the last 6 months we have seemingly noticed a change in the quality of items left in caches. In the "good old days" the items left were unique and a lot of fun. With the rush to find 100's of caches people no longer can afford unique items and find a lot of "happy meal" items left in caches. It was over a few beers with hubby that we thought we would try something new - A Couples Only Cache. A cache designed by a couple for other couples. As the title implies this cache was designed for other like-minded couples who wanted to add a bit of spice to geocaching. Unique and fun novelty items were include! d in the cache. To insure this cache could not be found by underage children it is located way out in the desert with no houses within 15 miles of the site. The cache and description is clearly marked "For Adults Only"
Upon submitting our cache location we were informed by the geocache reviewer that if a cache is not for kids and the entire family it is not an appropriate geocache and thus not be listed. I would hate to think that a few narrowed minded people are in control of what a geocache should or should not be. If someone has personal objections to an adult type cache - don't go search for it! Although the same narrow-minded people may find the content "objectionable? it is far from pornographic.
We would like to get opinions from the real geocachers on this web site. For those of you have a interest in locating the cache it is located in the Avra Valley area just a few miles away from other caches in the desert that include - The Prize, Sawtooth, Lost Point, etc. An interesting side note this location appears to be a "swamp land" sale. We found it over 18 months ago and nothing has changed. There are three ways into the area and it is all dirt roads but does not require 4 wheel. We came in from Avra Valley road. Look forward to the geocaching community?s comments.
Coyote Springs - A Cache Designed By and for Fun Couples Only!
N 32.32.108
W 111.35.179
1st Turn Off - Actually this takes you down the natural gas pipeline.
N 32. 29.860
W 111.29.920
2nd Turn Off
N 32.32.047
W 111.32.226
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1. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike Force (Scott Wood)
2. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike Force (barry.neely@prudential.com)
3. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike Force (Scott Wood)
4. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike Force (Team Tierra Buena)
5. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike Force (Scott Wood)
6. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike Force (Team Tierra Buena)
7. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike Force (barry.neely@prudential.com)
8. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike Force (Scott Wood)
9. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike Force (Team Tierra Buena)
10. RE: El Camino del Diablo Strike! Force (Scott Wood)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 13:02:03 -0700
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
From: Scott Wood
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike Force
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
At 01:45 PM 1/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>It sounds like we are making this a one day kind of thing. Any thought of
>going out on Sat and staying the night? Do not want to rush the fun of
>finding.
I have been thinking about doing just that. We are looking at a 3 hour
trip from Tucson. That makes for a pretty early departure time and a late
return. Makes for a very full day. We might head up on Saturday, hit some
of the caches around Yuma, and then meet everyone on Sunday morning.
Haven't really decided yet, but that is the idea we are kicking around.
In liberty,
Scott
wood@myblueheaven.com
www.myblueheaven.com
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Message: 2
From: barry.neely@prudential.com
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike Force
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 13:57:53 -0700
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Scott,
What kind of distance are we talking about with out the side trip to Yuma?
Hiker
Scott Wood
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
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Thursday January 9, 2003 01:02 PM
Please respond to listserv
At 01:45 PM 1/9/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>It sounds like we are making this a one day kind of thing. Any thought of
>going out on Sat and staying the night? Do not want to rush the fun of
>finding.
I have been thinking about doing just that. We are looking at a 3 hour
trip f! rom Tucson. That makes for a pretty early departure time and a late
return. Makes for a very full day. We might head up on Saturday, hit some
of the caches around Yuma, and then meet everyone on Sunday morning.
Haven't really decided yet, but that is the idea we are kicking around.
In liberty,
Scott
wood@myblueheaven.com
www.myblueheaven.com
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 14:59:30 -0700
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
From: Scott Wood
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike Force
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
At 01:57 PM 1/9/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>What kind of distance are! we talking about with out the side trip to Yuma?
I'm not really sure what you mean, but it looks like it is 218 miles from
my driveway to Welton. I am not sure how many miles it is from Welton into
the caches.
It does look like there are a number of caches around Yuma and Welton that
might make heading up a day early worthwhile.
In liberty,
Scott
wood@myblueheaven.com
www.myblueheaven.com
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Message: 4
From: "Team Tierra Buena"
To:
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike Force
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:02:42 -0700
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> I am targeting going and getting my
> permit on Friday. I think that there is a place closer and
> not as hard to get to than the one down town.
That would be the BLM office at 21605 N. 7th Ave. N 33 40.940 W112
04.933.
! > It sounds like we are making this a one day kind of thing.
> Any thought of going out on Sat and staying the night?
Another reason I don't favor convoys. Some may well want to do that,
others wouldn't hear of it. Judi and I may drive down to Yuma on
Saturday and stay over, but we're still discussing the additional
expense. As Judi has to work on Saturday, though, we'd get there too
late for any Saturday caching .
Steve
Team Tierra Buena
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". -- Dave
Barry
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 15:38:37 -0700
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
From: Scott Wood
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike Force
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
At 03:02 PM 1/9/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Saturday and stay over, but we're still discussing the additional
>expense. As Judi has t! o work on Saturday, though, we'd get there too
>late for any Saturday caching .
As I said in a previous message, we are also thinking about heading down on
Saturday and finding some of the area caches. Probably won't leave Tucson
too early though. If you do decide to head down Saturday evening, we will
have to get together for a drink.
In liberty,
Scott
wood@myblueheaven.com
www.myblueheaven.com
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Message: 6
From: "Team Tierra Buena"
To:
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike Force
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:44:20 -0700
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> I am not sure how many miles it is
> from Welton into
> the caches.
If I'm correctly reading the map the crude Fish and Wildlife service map
I got with the permit, it's approximately 32 miles from Wellton to TuleWell, which is fairly near the ECdD cache. Based on everything I've read
and heard, though, leaving Wellton with anything other than a full tank
of petrol is foolhardy.
Speaking of getting gassed, if we're there Saturday night, you're on for
that drink, Scott!
Steve
Team Tierra Buena
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". -- Dave
Barry
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Message: 7
From: barry.neely@prudential.com
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike Force
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:34:48 -0700
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
When I talked about staying over night Sat I was thinking about doing some
camping. We could drive in on Sat, find a nice base camp, maybe do a cache
on Sat and then the rest on Sunday. Any one interested??
Hiker
"Team Tierra Buena"
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az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.
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Thursday January 9, 2003 03:44 PM
Please respond to listserv
> I am not sure how many miles it is
> from Welton into
> the caches.
If I'm correctly reading the map the crude Fish and Wildlife service map
I got with the permit, it's approximately 32 miles from Wellton to Tule
Well, which is fairly near the ECdD cache. Based on everything I've read
and heard, though, leaving Wellton with anything other than a full tank
of petrol is foolhardy.
Speaking of getting gassed, if we're there Saturday night, you're on for
that drink, Scott!
Steve
Team Tierra Buena
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". -- Dave
Barry
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:47:34 -0700
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
From: Scott Wood
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike Force
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
At 09:34 AM 1/10/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>When I talked about staying over night Sat I was thinking about doing some
>camping. We could drive in on Sat, find a nice base camp, maybe do a cache
>on Sat and then the rest on Sunday. Any one interested??
I think our camping will be in a hotel/motel. While I am not opposed to
the idea of camping, we are going to be in the FJ-40 and space is a real
premium, so camping hear will be staying at home.
Scott
Team My Blue Heaven
www.myblueheaven.com! /geocache
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Message: 9
From: "Team Tierra Buena"
To:
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike Force
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:13:03 -0700
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>
> When I talked about staying over night Sat I was thinking
> about doing some camping. We could drive in on Sat, find a
> nice base camp, maybe do a cache on Sat and then the rest on
> Sunday. Any one interested??
I would be, but not as interested as I am uninterested in pitching a
tent at 9 PM after driving in the dark for two-and-a-half hours. So,
like Scott, if we come down Saturday, we will be at Camp Ramada or
something similar.
Steve
Team Tierra Buena
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". -- Dave
Barry
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:38:4! 4 -0700
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
From: Scott Wood
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike Force
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
At 09:34 AM 1/10/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>When I talked about staying over night Sat I was thinking about doing some
>camping. We could drive in on Sat, find a nice base camp, maybe do a cache
>on Sat and then the rest on Sunday. Any one interested??
Even though we won't be camping, if we do come down on Saturday, we would
be interested in getting together to find some caches. I haven't taken any
time yet to plan out a possible Saturday cache trip, but will. I have been
busy planning a Sunday/Monday trip to Phoenix.
In liberty,
Scott
wood@myblueheaven.com
www.myblueheaven.com
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