[Az-Geocaching] Helping to spread the word ...
AZcachemeister
azcachemeister at getnet.net
Mon Apr 6 07:48:10 CDT 2009
AZTech
It seems to me that the new section you quoted earlier covers this
nicely, and actually the wording does seem to grandfather-in existing
caches due to the 'if you are _/thinking/_ of creating such a cache'
phrase. The guideline does not state that we need to get confirmation
that existing caches can stand under the new guidelines, but certainly
that would be a good idea. I think I will seek guidance on the issue,
but I'm not sure if I should do it now amongst the certain flood of
EMails about this, or perhaps wait for further clarification from TPTB
before asking for specific 'permission'.
ACM
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AZTech wrote:
> Acan you elaborate? Earlier in this discussion, ShadowAce stated the
> following:
>
> So Any cache listed as a ? with Alternate Logging Requirements needs
> be altered or archived because "You must find and prove you have found
> 40 caches on a Friday" is now changed to "come find my cache, sign the
> log and claim a find"
>
> Are you saying this is false and that since "finding 40 caches on a
> Friday" is geocaching-related that a challenge cache with this
> requirement is allowed?
>
> I'm hoping that's the case but am curious about others'
> interpretation, especially given logs I've seen on a couple challenge
> caches indicating (quite happily by the person writing the note) that
> the cache is no longer allowed...
>
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> From: AZcachemeister <azcachemeister at getnet.net>
> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:04 PM
> To: listserv at azgeocaching.com
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Helping to spread the word ...
>
> Apparently there were ALRs being created (in other areas) that did not
> relate in any way to Geocaching.
> So, by the new section, it seems that /Geocaching related challenges/
> are acceptable.
>
> ACM
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>
> AZTech wrote:
>> Well, I didn't recall seeing it before, but figured it had been added
>> in previously because it doesn't seem to make much sense to have it
>> given that ALRs are not binding.
>>
>> So, again, my original, unanswered question, why have any ALRs at all?
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 3:44 PM, ShadowAce <shadowace.az
>> <http://shadowace.az>@gmail.com <http://gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> They did not remove that section because that section did not
>> exist until the changes this week.
>>
>> That section "/Challenge caches incorporate special logging
>> requirements and are listed as Mystery/Puzzle caches. Typically
>> they require the seeker to have previously met a reasonable
>> geocaching-related qualification (Waymarking and Wherigo qualify
>> too, of course) such as first finding a cache in every county in
>> your state. If you are thinking of creating such a cache, please
>> include a note to the reviewer demonstrating either that you have
>> met the challenge yourself, or that a substantial number of other
>> geocachers would be able to do so." /was just created, so
>> removing it would be a fairly odd choice.
>>
>> On 4/5/09, *AZTech* <aztech.gc at gmail.com
>> <mailto:aztech.gc at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I agree. Everyone plays the game according to their own
>> preferences, whether it be going after only tough hikes,
>> difficult puzzles or simply logging as many finds as
>> possible, so this just limits our options. I'm especially
>> surprised that they opted not to grandfather existing caches
>> and instead made the change retroactive.
>>
>> While TPTB were updating the guidelines, I was surprised to
>> see that they didn't remove the following section from the
>> guidelines for Mystery or Puzzle Caches:
>>
>> /Challenge caches incorporate special logging requirements
>> and are listed as Mystery/Puzzle caches. Typically they
>> require the seeker to have previously met a reasonable
>> geocaching-related qualification (Waymarking and Wherigo
>> qualify too, of course) such as first finding a cache in
>> every county in your state. If you are thinking of creating
>> such a cache, please include a note to the reviewer
>> demonstrating either that you have met the challenge
>> yourself, or that a substantial number of other geocachers
>> would be able to do so./
>>
>> In light of the new guideline, that /"Cache finders can
>> choose whether or not to attempt or accomplish optional
>> tasks"/, what's the purpose of putting out a challenge cache
>> if cachers aren't required to complete the challenge to log
>> the find? Why have any ALRs at all?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 9:33 AM, MEL HOCKWITT
>> <melhockwitt at msn.com <mailto:melhockwitt at msn.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Looks like taking the fun out of caching is on the way.
>> Too many rules have killed many an organization and put
>> bad tastes in the mouths of the members.
>>
>> My thoughts.
>> Mel
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* ShadowAce <mailto:shadowace.az at gmail.com>
>> *To:* listserv at azgeocaching.com
>> <mailto:listserv at azgeocaching.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:03 AM
>> *Subject:* [Az-Geocaching] Helping to spread the word ...
>>
>> http://forums.groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=218388
>>
>> Alternate Logging Requirements No longer allowed.
>>
>> So Any cache listed as a ? with Alternate Logging
>> Requirements needs be altered or archived because
>> "You must find and prove you have found 40 caches on
>> a Friday" is now changed to "come find my cache, sign
>> the log and claim a find"
>>
>> Please make sure you note the changes to the
>> guidelines dates April 2009:
>>
>> 3. *A section called Logging of All Physical
>> Caches
>> <http://www.geocaching.com/about/guidelines.aspx#loggingofallcaches>
>> has been added to the guidelines.*
>>
>> QUOTE
>> Geocaches can be logged online as Found once the
>> physical log has been signed.
>>
>> If it is appropriate for your cache location or
>> theme, you may ask the cache seeker to accomplish an
>> optional and simple task, either close to the cache
>> site (normally within 0.1 miles or 161 meters) or
>> when writing their online log. For example, wear the
>> goofy hat inside the cache container and upload a
>> photograph. Cache finders can choose whether or not
>> to attempt or accomplish optional tasks. Cache owners
>> may not delete the cache seeker's log based solely on
>> optional tasks.
>>
>> This guideline change applies immediately to all logs
>> written from April 4, 2009 and going forward. Older
>> caches with "additional logging requirements" (ALRs)
>> are not grandfathered under the older guideline. If
>> you own an existing cache with mandatory additional
>> logging requirements, we request that you:
>>
>> * Cease deleting logs based on additional logging
>> requirements.
>> * Review your own cache listing to see if the ALR
>> can be made into an optional and simple task,
>> or whether it must be removed altogether.
>> * Adjust your geocache listing by editing the
>> text then contact a reviewer to change the
>> cache type, if appropriate.
>>
>>
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