[Az-Geocaching] Mad Park Ranger

David Thompsen listserv@azgeocaching.com
Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:52:59 -0700 (PDT)


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This brings up something I've wanted to know for a long time.
 
Can someone that is in the know compile a list of  which sections of Arizona are off-limits or require permission?  Some, like Native American land, would seem to me to be obviously off-limits, but I really am not sure about some of the parks and/or mountains as to who they're managed by or whether they're appropriate.  A comprehensive list, if possible, would be extremely helpful.

arry H <friared1@yahoo.com> wrote:
Any land managed by the National Park Service is
off-limits to physical geocaches.

--- Trisha wrote:
> Is a "National Monument" exactly the same as a
> "National Park"?
> As in....."Grand Canyon National Park" or
> "Yellowstone National Park",
> are these treated the same as a "National Monument"
> or in this case,
> "Coronado National Memorial"?
> If they are the same, shouldn't the "rules" list ALL
> the National
> categories (Parks, Monuments, etc) as off
> limits....or maybe it does
> already? I thought all it said was "National Parks".
> What about something like the "Cabeza NATIONAL
> Wildlife Refuge?" Arent
> there several caches in there that a bunch of teams
> went in and found
> together? Is that treated the SAME as a "National
> Park"?
> This needs clarification, I was only aware of the
> ban in "National
> Parks" and on my map the area in question (I think)
> says "Coronado
> National Memorial" NOT PARK.??
> Trisha "Lightning"
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:54:12 -0700, "Brian - Team
> A.I." wrote:
> 
> > 
> > He's a law enforcement official, and well within
> his rights to make
> > sure you
> > aren't wanted (and for his safety), near the
> border or in the middle
> > of a
> > city. That being said, I think he is right in the
> fact that it isn't
> > allowed. This may have existed prior to the rule
> banning caches in
> > National
> > Parks.
> > 
> > Brian
> > Team A.I.
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Team J" 
> > To: 

> > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 7:47 PM
> > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mad Park Ranger
> > 
> > 
> > > I'm on the watch list for this cache and got
> this today. Anyone
> who
> > deals
> > > with the various gov't people about geocaching
> may be interested. 
> I
> > don't
> > > know how big a deal it may be/become, but this
> isn't a good thing
> for
> > > geocaching. A Park Ranger caught a geocacher,
> "ran his ID," and
> > informed
> > > him he couldn't have a geocache in the nat'l
> park without a
> permit. 
> > See
> > > below fwd'd message for the actual post. I'm
> not trying to dime
> out
> > the
> > > finder or the hider. I just thought the event
> was worth noting for
> > all of
> > > us.
> > >
> > > Noah of Team J
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: 
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 11:33 AM
> > > Subject: [LOG] Watchlist: fender437 found Cave
> Hike Cache
> > (Traditional
> > > Cache)
> > >
> > >
> > > > This is an automated message from
> Geocaching.com
> > > >
> > > > You are receiving this email because this
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> > list.
> > > Visit the web site to change your watchlist
> settings.
> > > >
> > > > fender437 found Cave Hike Cache (Traditional
> Cache) at 7/6/2004
> > > >
> > > > Log Date: 7/6/2004
> > > > Found it no problem, but when I closed it up a
> park ranger was
> > standing
> > > there. He informed me that you can't have a
> geocashe in the
> national
> > park
> > > without a permit. I thanked him for the info and
> tried to go on my
> > way,
> > but
> > > he ran my ID, so I guess I am now on a on a list
> of some kind.
> Don't
> > know
> > if
> > > it will still be there anymore.
> > > >
> > > > Visit this log entry at the below address:
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=61a5e00d-228b-4548-ae74-31672a07f9d0
> > > >
> > > > Visit GC61EA
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=11fda3f9-65ef-4c17-bfbe-295e427d8311
> > > >
> > > > Profile for fender437:
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?guid=0e1430f0-7cd9-41b2-80f6-fc58e7fd2bf0
> > > >
> > > > Search for caches from this location:
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/nearest.aspx?lat=31.3465666666667&lon=-110.25755
> > > >
> > >
>
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FriarED

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<DIV>This brings up something I've wanted to know for a long time.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Can someone that is in the know compile a list of&nbsp; which sections of Arizona are off-limits or require permission?&nbsp; Some, like Native American land, would seem to me to be obviously off-limits, but I really am not sure about some of the parks and/or mountains as to who they're managed by or whether they're appropriate.&nbsp; A comprehensive list, if possible, would be extremely helpful.<BR><BR><B><I>arry H &lt;friared1@yahoo.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Any land managed by the National Park Service is<BR>off-limits to physical geocaches.<BR><BR>--- Trisha <TRISHA@BRASHER.COM>wrote:<BR>&gt; Is a "National Monument" exactly the same as a<BR>&gt; "National Park"?<BR>&gt; As in....."Grand Canyon National Park" or<BR>&gt; "Yellowstone National Park",<BR>&gt; are these treated the same as a "National Monument"<BR>&gt; or in this case,<BR>&gt; "Coronado National Memorial"?<BR>&gt; If they are the same, shouldn't the "rules" list ALL<BR>&gt; the National<BR>&gt; categories (Parks, Monuments, etc) as off<BR>&gt; limits....or maybe it does<BR>&gt; already? I thought all it said was "National Parks".<BR>&gt; What about something like the "Cabeza NATIONAL<BR>&gt; Wildlife Refuge?" Arent<BR>&gt; there several caches in there that a bunch of teams<BR>&gt; went in and found<BR>&gt; together? Is that treated the SAME as a "National<BR>&gt;
 Park"?<BR>&gt; This needs clarification, I was only aware of the<BR>&gt; ban in "National<BR>&gt; Parks" and on my map the area in question (I think)<BR>&gt; says "Coronado<BR>&gt; National Memorial" NOT PARK.??<BR>&gt; Trisha "Lightning"<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:54:12 -0700, "Brian - Team<BR>&gt; A.I." wrote:<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; He's a law enforcement official, and well within<BR>&gt; his rights to make<BR>&gt; &gt; sure you<BR>&gt; &gt; aren't wanted (and for his safety), near the<BR>&gt; border or in the middle<BR>&gt; &gt; of a<BR>&gt; &gt; city. That being said, I think he is right in the<BR>&gt; fact that it isn't<BR>&gt; &gt; allowed. This may have existed prior to the rule<BR>&gt; banning caches in<BR>&gt; &gt; National<BR>&gt; &gt; Parks.<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; Brian<BR>&gt; &gt; Team A.I.<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; ----- Original Message ----- <BR>&gt; &gt; From: "Team J" <GEOTEAMJ@HOTMAIL.COM><BR>&gt; &gt; To:
 <LISTSERV@AZGEOCACHING.COM><BR>&gt; &gt; Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 7:47 PM<BR>&gt; &gt; Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mad Park Ranger<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; I'm on the watch list for this cache and got<BR>&gt; this today. Anyone<BR>&gt; who<BR>&gt; &gt; deals<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; with the various gov't people about geocaching<BR>&gt; may be interested. <BR>&gt; I<BR>&gt; &gt; don't<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; know how big a deal it may be/become, but this<BR>&gt; isn't a good thing<BR>&gt; for<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; geocaching. A Park Ranger caught a geocacher,<BR>&gt; "ran his ID," and<BR>&gt; &gt; informed<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; him he couldn't have a geocache in the nat'l<BR>&gt; park without a<BR>&gt; permit. <BR>&gt; &gt; See<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; below fwd'd message for the actual post. I'm<BR>&gt; not trying to dime<BR>&gt; out<BR>&gt; &gt; the<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; finder or the hider. I just thought the event<BR>&gt; was worth noting for<BR>&gt; &gt; all of<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;
 us.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Noah of Team J<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; ----- Original Message ----- <BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; From: <NOREPLY@GEOCACHING.COM><BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; To: <GEOTEAMJ@HOTMAIL.COM><BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 11:33 AM<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: [LOG] Watchlist: fender437 found Cave<BR>&gt; Hike Cache<BR>&gt; &gt; (Traditional<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Cache)<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; This is an automated message from<BR>&gt; Geocaching.com<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; You are receiving this email because this<BR>&gt; listing is on your<BR>&gt; watch<BR>&gt; &gt; list.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Visit the web site to change your watchlist<BR>&gt; settings.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; fender437 found Cave Hike Cache (Traditional<BR>&gt; Cache) at 7/6/2004<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Log Date: 7/6/2004<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Found it no problem,
 but when I closed it up a<BR>&gt; park ranger was<BR>&gt; &gt; standing<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; there. He informed me that you can't have a<BR>&gt; geocashe in the<BR>&gt; national<BR>&gt; &gt; park<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; without a permit. I thanked him for the info and<BR>&gt; tried to go on my<BR>&gt; &gt; way,<BR>&gt; &gt; but<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; he ran my ID, so I guess I am now on a on a list<BR>&gt; of some kind.<BR>&gt; Don't<BR>&gt; &gt; know<BR>&gt; &gt; if<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; it will still be there anymore.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Visit this log entry at the below address:<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=61a5e00d-228b-4548-ae74-31672a07f9d0<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Visit GC61EA<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=11fda3f9-65ef-4c17-bfbe-295e427d8311<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;
 &gt; &gt; Profile for fender437:<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?guid=0e1430f0-7cd9-41b2-80f6-fc58e7fd2bf0<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Search for caches from this location:<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>http://www.geocaching.com/seek/nearest.aspx?lat=31.3465666666667&amp;lon=-110.25755<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>____________________________________________________________<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Az-Geocaching mailing list<BR>&gt; listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe<BR>&gt; visit:<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Arizona's Geocaching Resource<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; http://www.azgeocaching.com<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt;
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