[Az-Geocaching] Mad Park Ranger
Brian - Team A.I.
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Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:00:10 -0700
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All you need to know about res land is, don't even think about it. Not =
that it would happen, but because res land is a sovereign nation (of =
sorts), technically they can shoot you if you are caught trespassing on =
their land. =20
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: David Thompsen=20
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Mad Park Ranger
This brings up something I've wanted to know for a long time.
Can someone that is in the know compile a list of which sections of =
Arizona are off-limits or require permission? Some, like Native =
American land, would seem to me to be obviously off-limits, but I really =
am not sure about some of the parks and/or mountains as to who they're =
managed by or whether they're appropriate. A comprehensive list, if =
possible, would be extremely helpful.
arry H <friared1@yahoo.com> wrote:
Any land managed by the National Park Service is
off-limits to physical geocaches.
--- Trisha wrote:
> Is a "National Monument" exactly the same as a
> "National Park"?
> As in....."Grand Canyon National Park" or
> "Yellowstone National Park",
> are these treated the same as a "National Monument"
> or in this case,
> "Coronado National Memorial"?
> If they are the same, shouldn't the "rules" list ALL
> the National
> categories (Parks, Monuments, etc) as off
> limits....or maybe it does
> already? I thought all it said was "National Parks".
> What about something like the "Cabeza NATIONAL
> Wildlife Refuge?" Arent
> there several caches in there that a bunch of teams
> went in and found
> together? Is that treated the SAME as a "National
> Park"?
> This needs clarification, I was only aware of the
> ban in "National
> Parks" and on my map the area in question (I think)
> says "Coronado
> National Memorial" NOT PARK.??
> Trisha "Lightning"
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> On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:54:12 -0700, "Brian - Team
> A.I." wrote:
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> >=20
> > He's a law enforcement official, and well within
> his rights to make
> > sure you
> > aren't wanted (and for his safety), near the
> border or in the middle
> > of a
> > city. That being said, I think he is right in the
> fact that it isn't
> > allowed. This may have existed prior to the rule
> banning caches in
> > National
> > Parks.
> >=20
> > Brian
> > Team A.I.
> >=20
> > ----- Original Message -----=20
> > From: "Team J"=20
> > To:=20
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 7:47 PM
> > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mad Park Ranger
> >=20
> >=20
> > > I'm on the watch list for this cache and got
> this today. Anyone
> who
> > deals
> > > with the various gov't people about geocaching
> may be interested.=20
> I
> > don't
> > > know how big a deal it may be/become, but this
> isn't a good thing
> for
> > > geocaching. A Park Ranger caught a geocacher,
> "ran his ID," and
> > informed
> > > him he couldn't have a geocache in the nat'l
> park without a
> permit.=20
> > See
> > > below fwd'd message for the actual post. I'm
> not trying to dime
> out
> > the
> > > finder or the hider. I just thought the event
> was worth noting for
> > all of
> > > us.
> > >
> > > Noah of Team J
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----=20
> > > From:=20
> > > To:=20
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 11:33 AM
> > > Subject: [LOG] Watchlist: fender437 found Cave
> Hike Cache
> > (Traditional
> > > Cache)
> > >
> > >
> > > > This is an automated message from
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> > > >
> > > > fender437 found Cave Hike Cache (Traditional
> Cache) at 7/6/2004
> > > >
> > > > Log Date: 7/6/2004
> > > > Found it no prob! lem, but when I closed it up a
> park ranger was
> > standing
> > > there. He informed me that you can't have a
> geocashe in the
> national
> > park
> > > without a permit. I thanked him for the info and
> tried to go on my
> > way,
> > but
> > > he ran my ID, so I guess I am now on a on a list
> of some kind.
> Don't
> > know
> > if
> > > it will still be there anymore.
> > > >
> > > > Visit this log entry at the below address:
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > > >
> > > > Visit GC61EA
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> > > >
>! > > > Profile for fender437:
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > > > Search for caches from this location:
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All you need to know about res land is, =
don't even=20
think about it. Not that it would happen, but because res land is =
a=20
sovereign nation (of sorts), technically they can shoot you if you are =
caught=20
trespassing on their land. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Brian</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Team A.I.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
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href=3D"mailto:dthompsen@yahoo.com">David=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dlistserv@azgeocaching.com=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 07, 2004 =
10:52=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Az-Geocaching] =
Mad Park=20
Ranger</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>This brings up something I've wanted to know for a long =
time.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Can someone that is in the know compile a list of which =
sections of=20
Arizona are off-limits or require permission? Some, like Native =
American=20
land, would seem to me to be obviously off-limits, but I really am not =
sure=20
about some of the parks and/or mountains as to who they're managed by =
or=20
whether they're appropriate. A comprehensive list, if possible, =
would be=20
extremely helpful.<BR><BR><B><I>arry H =
<friared1@yahoo.com></I></B>=20
wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dreplbq=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px =
solid">Any=20
land managed by the National Park Service is<BR>off-limits to =
physical=20
geocaches.<BR><BR>--- Trisha <TRISHA@BRASHER.COM>wrote:<BR>> Is a =
"National Monument" exactly the same as a<BR>> "National =
Park"?<BR>>=20
As in....."Grand Canyon National Park" or<BR>> "Yellowstone =
National=20
Park",<BR>> are these treated the same as a "National =
Monument"<BR>>=20
or in this case,<BR>> "Coronado National Memorial"?<BR>> If =
they are=20
the same, shouldn't the "rules" list ALL<BR>> the =
National<BR>>=20
categories (Parks, Monuments, etc) as off<BR>> limits....or maybe =
it=20
does<BR>> already? I thought all it said was "National =
Parks".<BR>>=20
What about something like the "Cabeza NATIONAL<BR>> Wildlife =
Refuge?"=20
Arent<BR>> there several caches in there that a bunch of =
teams<BR>>=20
went in and found<BR>> together? Is that treated the SAME as a=20
"National<BR>> Park"?<BR>> This needs clarification, I was =
only aware=20
of the<BR>> ban in "National<BR>> Parks" and on my map the =
area in=20
question (I think)<BR>> says "Coronado<BR>> National Memorial" =
NOT=20
PARK.??<BR>> Trisha "Lightning"<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> =
<BR>> On=20
Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:54:12 -0700, "Brian - Team<BR>> A.I." =
wrote:<BR>>=20
<BR>> > <BR>> > He's a law enforcement official, and =
well=20
within<BR>> his rights to make<BR>> > sure you<BR>> > =
aren't=20
wanted (and for his safety), near the<BR>> border or in the=20
middle<BR>> > of a<BR>> > city. That being said, I think =
he is=20
right in the<BR>> fact that it isn't<BR>> > allowed. This =
may have=20
existed prior to the rule<BR>> banning caches in<BR>> >=20
National<BR>> > Parks.<BR>> > <BR>> > =
Brian<BR>> >=20
Team A.I.<BR>> > <BR>> > ----- Original Message ----- =
<BR>>=20
> From: "Team J" <GEOTEAMJ@HOTMAIL.COM><BR>> > To:=20
<LISTSERV@AZGEOCACHING.COM><BR>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, =
2004 7:47=20
PM<BR>> > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mad Park Ranger<BR>> =
>=20
<BR>> > <BR>> > > I'm on the watch list for this =
cache and=20
got<BR>> this today. Anyone<BR>> who<BR>> > =
deals<BR>> >=20
> with the various gov't people about geocaching<BR>> may be=20
interested. <BR>> I<BR>> > don't<BR>> > > know how =
big a=20
deal it may be/become, but this<BR>> isn't a good thing<BR>>=20
for<BR>> > > geocaching. A Park Ranger caught a =
geocacher,<BR>>=20
"ran his ID," and<BR>> > informed<BR>> > > him he =
couldn't=20
have a geocache in the nat'l<BR>> park without a<BR>> permit. =
<BR>>=20
> See<BR>> > > below fwd'd message for the actual post.=20
I'm<BR>> not trying to dime<BR>> out<BR>> > the<BR>> =
>=20
> finder or the hider. I just thought the event<BR>> was worth =
noting=20
for<BR>> > all of<BR>> > > us.<BR>> > =
><BR>> >=20
> Noah of Team J<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > =
>=20
----- Original Message ----- <BR>> > > From:=20
<NOREPLY@GEOCACHING.COM><BR>> > > To:=20
<GEOTEAMJ@HOTMAIL.COM><BR>> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, =
2004 11:33=20
AM<BR>> > > Subject: [LOG] Watchlist: fender437 found =
Cave<BR>>=20
Hike Cache<BR>> > (Traditional<BR>> > > =
Cache)<BR>> >=20
><BR>> > ><BR>> > > > This is an automated =
message=20
from<BR>> Geocaching.com<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > =
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You are receiving this email because this<BR>> listing is on =
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fender437 found Cave Hike Cache (Traditional<BR>> Cache) at=20
7/6/2004<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > Log Date:=20
7/6/2004<BR>> > > > Found it no prob! lem, but when I =
closed it=20
up a<BR>> park ranger was<BR>> > standing<BR>> > > =
there.=20
He informed me that you can't have a<BR>> geocashe in the<BR>> =
national<BR>> > park<BR>> > > without a permit. I =
thanked him=20
for the info and<BR>> tried to go on my<BR>> > way,<BR>> =
>=20
but<BR>> > > he ran my ID, so I guess I am now on a on a=20
list<BR>> of some kind.<BR>> Don't<BR>> > know<BR>> =
>=20
if<BR>> > > it will still be there anymore.<BR>> > =
>=20
><BR>> > > > Visit this log entry at the below=20
address:<BR>> > > ><BR>> > ><BR>>=20
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><BR>><BR>http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D61a5e00d-2=
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> > ><BR>> > > > Visit GC61EA<BR>> > > =
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> > ><BR>>! > > > Profile for =
fender437:<BR>> >=20
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