[Az-Geocaching] Virtuals and camping out
Loran Wilcox
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Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:01:18 -0400
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For those of you that cache at a slower pace, you can be more selective =
of which caches you decide to find. Some of us don't have that option. =
If I don't find them they stay on my not found page staring me in the =
face every day. So I will go out and find them all. There are many =
virtual that have plenty of merit. Examples are the museum series, and =
sites where you will learn something new. =20
But many are nothing more than a simple plaque on the side of the road. =
No creativity just another hide for the hider.
Which brings me to believe that many of the virtuals where created by =
cachers that felt they had to hide a cache but didn't want to have to =
work at it. Brought on by the KARMA rating at azgeocaching.com. =20
For me I never felt I had to hide caches. Maybe that's why I'm in =
Michigan now.
Team Sand Dollar
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Gale Draper=20
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Virtuals and camping out
There are plenty of you who don't like virtuals. That is fine for you. =
But you are insisting virtuals be eliminated for those who enjoy doing =
them. That stinks. I think some virtuals have more merit than just =
another altoids tin or tupperware among another trashy area. I'm picky =
and I don't do every cache. Why can't those of you who hate virtuals =
leave them alone for the rest of us to enjoy?=20
I have a cache that I want to do this year similar to one I did last =
year involving the statues on Main street in Mesa. I have to incorporate =
a cache with it now. I think it degrades my cache. Now people will walk =
around, see the statues and have to drive a few miles away just to claim =
credit for it. I would have liked the option to keep it as a virtual =
cache.
All of that said, it is Jeremy's site, with his rules/guidelines. I'll =
play by his rules until there are other options.
Can people still get credit for the Wickenburg event if we only come =
for the day? My bad hip cannot do camp outs any more. Not if I want to =
be able to walk at all the next day.
Larry H <friared1@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- J H/TEAM 360 wrote:
I know I am not the only one who likes
> to read historical signs at the side of freeways,
> and I find them a good lesson, as well as a "find".
I thought you didn't care about 'finds' anymore? :D
If GC.com is trying to
> free up server space by eliminating Virts, they
> should begin by deleting the 150+ pages of past
> forum discussions that no one references anyway.=20
Sounds like a number I posted recently ;)
Seriously, while I don't mind virtuals WITH MERIT, the
game is geoCACHING (emphasis mine). The idea is to
find a hidden container and sign a logbook proving you
found it. Virtuals were designed to allow playing the
game at places that could not support a hidden
container, such as NPS land.=20
With all of the unique micro-containers floating
around out there, it is hard to find a place that
could only have a true virtual cache. What's wrong
with hiding a logsheet/book at an interesting site
rather than having the finder email a picture or
codeword to you? Does it really take something away
from the experience? Do you really think the finder is
going to learn something more by not logging a book
and email you instead? I don't buy that one. I've
found a few virtuals and couldn't tell you what I
'learned' at any of them. I haven't had the desire to
find out more about why the monument or marker was
placed there. I imagine most other cachers are about
the same.=20
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FriarED
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are the=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But many are nothing more than a simple =
plaque on=20
the side of the road. No creativity just another hide for the=20
hider.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Which brings me to believe that many of =
the=20
virtuals where created by cachers that felt they had to hide a cache but =
didn't=20
want to have to work at it. Brought on by the KARMA rating at=20
azgeocaching.com. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For me I never felt I had to hide =
caches. =20
Maybe that's why I'm in Michigan now.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Team Sand Dollar</FONT></DIV>
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2003 5:56=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Az-Geocaching] =
Virtuals and=20
camping out</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>There are plenty of you who don't like virtuals. That is fine for =
you.=20
But you are insisting virtuals be eliminated for those who enjoy doing =
them.=20
That stinks. I think some virtuals have more merit than just another =
altoids=20
tin or tupperware among another trashy area. I'm picky and I don't do =
every=20
cache. Why can't those of you who hate virtuals leave them alone for =
the rest=20
of us to enjoy? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have a cache that I want to do this year similar to one I did =
last year=20
involving the statues on Main street in Mesa. I have to incorporate a =
cache=20
with it now. I think it degrades my cache. Now people will walk =
around, see=20
the statues and have to drive a few miles away just to claim credit =
for it. I=20
would have liked the option to keep it as a virtual cache.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>All of that said, it is Jeremy's site, with his rules/guidelines. =
I'll=20
play by his rules until there are other options.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Can people still get credit for the Wickenburg event if we only =
come for=20
the day? My bad hip cannot do camp outs any more. Not if I want to be =
able to=20
walk at all the next day.<BR><BR><B><I>Larry H=20
<friared1@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px =
solid">---=20
J H/TEAM 360 <TEAM360WWG@YAHOO.COM>wrote:<BR><SNIP>I know I am not =
the only=20
one who likes<BR>> to read historical signs at the side of=20
freeways,<BR>> and I find them a good lesson, as well as a=20
"find".<BR><BR>I thought you didn't care about 'finds' anymore?=20
:D<BR><BR><SNIP>If GC.com is trying to<BR>> free up server space =
by=20
eliminating Virts, they<BR>> should begin by deleting the 150+ =
pages of=20
past<BR>> forum discussions that no one references anyway. =
<BR><BR>Sounds=20
like a number I posted recently ;)<BR><BR>Seriously, while I don't =
mind=20
virtuals WITH MERIT, the<BR>game is geoCACHING (emphasis mine). The =
idea is=20
to<BR>find a hidden container and sign a logbook proving =
you<BR>found it.=20
Virtuals were designed to allow playing the<BR>game at places that =
could not=20
support a hidden<BR>container, such as NPS land. <BR>With all of the =
unique=20
micro-containers floating<BR>around out there, it is hard to find a =
place=20
that<BR>could only have a true virtual cache. What's wrong<BR>with =
hiding a=20
logsheet/book at an interesting site<BR>rather than having the =
finder email=20
a picture or<BR>codeword to you? Does it really take something =
away<BR>from=20
the experience? Do you really think the finder is<BR>going to learn=20
something more by not logging a book<BR>and email you instead? I =
don't buy=20
that one. I've<BR>found a few virtuals and couldn't tell you what=20
I<BR>'learned' at any of them. I haven't had the desire to<BR>find =
out more=20
about why the monument or marker was<BR>placed there. I imagine most =
other=20
cachers are about<BR>the same.=20
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section in=20
a swimming pool?<BR><BR>__________________________________<BR>Do you =
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