[Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods

Bill Tomlinson listserv@azgeocaching.com
Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:41:22 -0700


I'm in.  Do you guys have a paypal account?

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From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Regan
Smith
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 11:24 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods


I say we all donate a $ to Jason and Brian


----- Original Message -----
From: "Groover" <andy@britishideas.com>
To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 11:15 AM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods


> Personally I am torn about registering. The impression I have gotten 
> over the last year and a half of the people who run the geocaching.com 
> web site is not very favourable (which I won't go into here), however 
> I get a great deal or fun out of the site. I don't like giving money 
> to people I don't think I like, but I see that running a web site for 
> free is
hard/impossible.
> So I've been stuck in this quandry ever since the "charter membership"
thing
> appeared.
> I guess if they turned around and said "we are going to implement X, Y 
> and
Z
> to make it easier for handicap people to gague the real accessiblity 
> of a cache" (of which I have posted ideas on the site in the past) 
> then that would definately give me a big enough push to register. As 
> for anything else, I don't know...
>
> Sigh....
>
> Andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
> [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of 
> Bill Tomlinson
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 10:56 AM
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods
>
>
> Andy,
>
> It would take a bit of work, but I would think that you could re-log 
> all
of
> your old finds with your new name and then delete the old finds.
Geocaching
> lets you specify the find date, so you would still have an accurate
history.
>
> As for geocaching.com, I doubt that the issue is hoarding data or
bandwidth.
> Both of those are already irrelevant because data is being grabbed by 
> many crawlers already and that isn't a terribly efficient mechanism.  
> I'm
willing
> to bet that the issue is simply resources.  Design and implementation 
> of a system that all would be happy with could be a very difficult 
> task.  Look how long it's taken just to change the numbering scheme.  
> And that's a
time
> critical issue.  I imagine of more people were willing to register we
would
> see much better services in exchange.  Personally, I don't much care 
> if people choose register.  We just need to be aware of the 
> implications of those decisions.  I chose to register because I'm 
> interested in seeing new features like this.
>
> CacheLess
> Bill Tomlinson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
> [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of 
> Andrew Ayre
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 10:06 AM
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods
>
>
> I don't think the problem is so much MO caches as the fact that 
> geocaching.com appears IMO to want to horde the data and not share it 
> with sites like azgeocaching.com by providing a backdoor entry into 
> specific sections of the database. I cannot see how providing access 
> to the AZ only caches would cause a problem for geocaching.com (in 
> terms of rivalry worries, etc - I'm sure it would increase the 
> bandwidth used).
>
> We recently changed our name from "Groover" to "Team Spike". This has 
> completely messed up our team stats on the azgeocaching.com site, as 
> it relies on reading cached pages. Well, archived caches never get 
> their
pages
> re-cached, therefore those caches will eternally be attributed to
"groover"
> on azgeocaching.com, wheras the actual data in the geocaching.com 
> database must be correct.
>
> As a result I've resorted to making a copy of all log entries on my 
> own
web
> site, so at least I have a copy of my own data that I can manipulate 
> in my own database and know it is always correct and accurate. 
> Unfortunately I don't have time to write code to generate graphs and 
> other wonderful stuff that can be found on azgeocaching.com.
>
> Andy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
> [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of 
> Scott Nicol
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:33 AM
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods
>
>
>
>
> Ok. I don't usually fuss with much, but this one definetly irritates 
> me. I am one of those 'numbers' cachers. I do enjoy looking at the 
> stats and the numbers (for my own pleasure of course, not for 
> competitive purposes). I
am
> a bit annoyed that 9 of my in state cache finds now show up as out of
state.
>
> This is the result of 8 AZ caches becoming 'members only' caches. 
> These
are
> caches that previously (when I found them), where not MO. What happens 
> is that the AZgeocaching.com site is not a member, therefore it doesnt 
> crawl the MO cache pages. (that is what I have heard anyways). At any 
> rate, the
AZ
> stats doesnt recognize Arizona MO caches and they show up in the out 
> of state file. (anyone who knows me knows that I have 0 out of state 
> finds
and
> probably always will!).
>
> I personally beleive that if a cache is started out as a 'free' cache, 
> it should remain that way for the life of the cache. If someone 
> chooses to
make
> their caches members only, they should do so with only the new caches 
> that they place and not turn all their old caches into MO caches. I 
> know Highpointer recently commented on this on the listserve a few 
> days ago and that he was going to change his caches over to MO. I 
> understand his views
on
> the subject. However, Highpointer...I feel you should keep your old 
> caches open to all and if you want members only, perhaps only turn 
> your new ones into MO. The other problem I have with old caches 
> changing into MO... I no longer can look back on those caches and read 
> my logs (diary if you will)
of
> my experiences at those caches (as I am not a member of 
> geocaching.com;
that
> is a whole nuther' thread, I am sure!). I hope Highpointer will 
> reconsider changing his old caches back to non-MO.
>
> I have always enjoyed doing Highpointer's caches, he hides some good 
> ones.
I
> also very much appreciate his seeking my cache on Stewart Mountain and 
> the comments he left there. I think me and Highpointer share many of 
> the same views on geocaching and enjoy doing the same types of caches.
>
> I guess I will not be able to do anymore of Highpointer's caches as I 
> am
not
> a member of geocaching.com. However, I have no problem with his making 
> his new caches MO, Members Only caches are available as an option to 
> members
of
> geocaching.com and that is an option that is available to him to use 
> if he chooses to. I just wish he would reconsider and keep his older 
> caches open to all.
>
> Scott
> Team Ropingthewind
>
>
>
>
> >From: Brian Cluff <brian@snaptek.com>
> >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods
> >Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:12:21 -0700
> >
> >Yes, if caches are being moved to members only that were previously 
> >available to anyone, they will show up as out of state.
> >
> >Brian Cluff
> >Team Snaptek
> >
> >Regan Smith wrote:
> >
> >>Would the new out of state finds be a result of the Member Only 
> >>Caches?
>
>
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