[Az-Geocaching] RE: grrrrrrrrr more mis information from the site stewards
Team Tierra Buena
listserv@azgeocaching.com
Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:42:56 -0700
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I am NOT trying to defend this woman, but she does say "as of September
5", which was three weeks before the meeting. It's probably true that
there hadn't been any caches pulled at that time.
But I'd love to know how many members of SAGAS there are.
Maybe we could form Geocachers Against Stewards Badmouthing All
Geocachers.
Steve
Team Tierra Buena
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WOLFB8
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 8:26 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: grrrrrrrrr more mis information from
the site stewards
oooppppssss there a few errors from the scan and being her phone number
did not scan correctly so here is the number (928)684-1670...just
incase some knows how to fix a fence post the number 2 major issue in
her area
We will be known by the tracks we leave behind
----- Original Message -----
From: WOLFB8 <mailto:Wolfb8@cox.net>
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: grrrrrrrrr more mis information from
the site stewards
This is the second article that ken found ....scanned in
Hassayampa Region
Submitted by
Shelley Rasmussen, Regional Coordinator
We seem to be gradually working toward settling the issue of geacaching
that h05 impacted several archaeclogical sites in the area. There has
been communication with the geo-cachers, who have told us that they
would move their yea- caches away from the sites and take the
coordinates off the internet. As of September 5, no one has removed the
geo-caches in question. Perhaps by the time this newsletter is out, we
will hove more[6 success. A~- long vs the archaeological sites are on
their website, anyone (including looters) hove free access to the
location of these sites. I would like to thank the Stewards Against
Geo-caching Archaeological Sites (SAGAS) who hove helped so much, us
well as those from other regions who hove volunteered their time and
effort - some hove helped who are not even Site Stewards. This has been
a group effort and I hope to be able to say at some point that it will
be a success story
There is another important issue with which this region is dealing. Two
historic cemeteries hove each had a corner post fail down and some of
the barbed wire fencing is laying on the ground. Is there anyone with
some knowledge of fence repair who can help to fix these fences? If so,
please contact me at (928) 684~~67O.
We will be known by the tracks we leave behind
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken <mailto:kenh199@cox.net>
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: grrrrrrrrr more mis information from
the site stewards
I agree it is nice to see that there are rational minds among the
Site Stewards. I think the most disturbing comment that Shelly Rasmussen
made in the November issue of the Site Stewards newsletter is contained
on page 8 & 9. In this section of the newsletter Shelly apparently has
formed her own little anti geocaching group that she calls "Stewards
Against Geocaching Archaeological Sites" (SAGAS). Her comments and
extremely narrow views regarding our hobby appear to be deliberate acts
to try and tear down the positive efforts that have been made to resolve
conflicts. I think she is a very poor representative for a program that
has very honorable intentions and I do not understand her blatant hatred
of our hobby. She states in her column that no geocaches have been
removed which is not true. Shortly after the meeting with the land
managers I archived two of my caches that were near archaeological sites
. Shelly fails to mention this fact in the newsletter.
Ken
WhereRWee?
----- Original Message -----
From: Team Tierra Buena <mailto:teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net>
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:06 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] RE: grrrrrrrrr more mis information from
the site stewards
Jill,
Permit me to add my thanks for your post. It is comforting to know that
we are not the objects of universal hostility among the Site Stewards.
Steve
Team Tierra Buena
-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Jill
McCormick
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 5:06 PM
To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: grrrrrrrrr more mis information from the
site stewards
I just wanted to put in my two cents on this issue. I have been reading
the messages regarding the article in the AZ Watch written by Shelly
Rasmussen. I am a site steward and would like to say that she does not
represent all site stewards, in fact, I think most site stewards
disagree with her views. I do not geocache myself, but hope to in the
near future. I am the regional coordinator for the Yuma Region and have
an avid geocacher in my group. I also have a few sites with caches near
them, but I have never had any trouble with vandalism at these sites.
As a site steward our job is to monitor and carry out the wishes of the
land managers, not be the police, judge, and jury regarding geocaching.
As I understood it from speaking with Mary Estes, you had a productive
meeting on September 27th, and had high hopes for future cooperation. I
also understand that many landmanagers have no problem with geocaching,
nor do they have policies against it. Please do not allow Ms.
Rasmussen's comments to undo the good that has been done. I plan to
speak to Mary Estes myself and ask her to no longer allow Ms. Rasmussen
to publicly speak as if she was speaking for all site stewards.
Hopefully this will put an end to this issue. Keep up the good work.
Sincerely,
Jill McCormick
Regional Coordinator Yuma-Quartzsite
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D652423203-08112002><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" =
color=3D#0000ff>I am=20
NOT trying to defend this woman, but she does say "as of September 5", =
which was=20
three weeks before the meeting. It's probably true that there hadn't =
been any=20
caches pulled at that time.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D652423203-08112002><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D652423203-08112002><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" =
color=3D#0000ff>But=20
I'd love to know how many members of SAGAS there =
are.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D652423203-08112002><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D652423203-08112002><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff>Maybe we could form Geocachers Against Stewards =
Badmouthing All=20
Geocachers.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D652423203-08112002><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D652423203-08112002><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff>Steve</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D652423203-08112002><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" =
color=3D#0000ff>Team=20
Tierra Buena</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] <B>On Behalf Of =
</B>WOLFB8<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 07, 2002 8:26 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE:=20
grrrrrrrrr more mis information from the site =
stewards<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>oooppppssss there a few errors from =
the scan and=20
being her phone number did not scan correctly so here is the=20
number (928)684-1670...just incase some knows how to fix a =
fence=20
post the number 2 major issue in her area</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>We will be known by the tracks we leave behind</DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3DWolfb8@cox.net href=3D"mailto:Wolfb8@cox.net">WOLFB8</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dlistserv@azgeocaching.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 07, =
2002 8:15=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Az-Geocaching] =
RE:=20
grrrrrrrrr more mis information from the site stewards</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D1>
<P align=3Djustify><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is the second =
article that ken=20
found ....scanned in</FONT></P><B><FONT size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify>Hassayampa Region</P>
<P align=3Djustify>Submitted by</P>
<P align=3Djustify>Shelley Rasmussen, Regional Coordinator</P>
<P align=3Djustify></B></FONT><FONT size=3D3>We seem to be gradually =
working=20
toward settling the issue of geacaching that h05 impacted several=20
archaeclogical sites in the area. There has been communication with =
the=20
geo-cachers, who have told us that they would move their yea- caches =
away=20
from the sites and take the coordinates off the internet. As of =
September 5,=20
no one has removed the geo-caches in question. Perhaps by the time =
this=20
newsletter is out, we</FONT></P></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<P align=3Djustify>will hove <B>more[6 </B>success. A~- long vs the=20
archaeological sites are on their website, anyone (including =
looters) hove=20
free access to the location of these sites. I would like to thank =
the=20
Stewards Against Geo-caching Archaeological Sites (SAGAS) who hove =
helped so=20
much, us well as those from other regions who hove volunteered their =
time=20
and effort - some hove helped who are not even Site Stewards. This =
has been=20
a group effort and I hope to be able to say at some point that it =
will be a=20
success story</P>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<P align=3Djustify>There is another important issue with which this =
region is=20
dealing. Two historic cemeteries hove each had a corner post fail =
down and=20
some of the barbed wire fencing is laying on the ground. Is there =
anyone=20
with some knowledge of fence repair who can help to fix these =
fences? If so,=20
please contact me at (928) 684~~67O.</P></DIV>
<DIV>We will be known by the tracks we leave behind</DIV>
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</DIV>
<DIV=20
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dkenh199@cox.net href=3D"mailto:kenh199@cox.net">Ken</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dlistserv@azgeocaching.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November =
07, 2002=20
7:48 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[Az-Geocaching] RE:=20
grrrrrrrrr more mis information from the site stewards</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial> I agree it is nice to =
see that=20
there are rational minds among the Site Stewards. I think the most =
disturbing comment that Shelly Rasmussen made in the November =
issue of the=20
Site Stewards newsletter is contained on page 8 & 9. In =
this=20
section of the newsletter Shelly apparently has formed her =
own little=20
anti geocaching group that she calls "Stewards Against =
Geocaching=20
Archaeological Sites" (SAGAS). Her comments and extremely narrow=20
views regarding our hobby appear to be deliberate =
acts to=20
try and tear down the positive efforts that have been made to =
resolve conflicts. I think she is a very poor representative =
for a=20
program that has very honorable intentions and I do not=20
understand her blatant hatred of our hobby. She states in her =
column that=20
no geocaches have been removed which is not true. Shortly after =
the=20
meeting with the land managers I archived two of my caches that=20
were near archaeological sites . Shelly fails to mention this =
fact=20
in the newsletter. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Ken</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>WhereRWee?</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dteamtierrabuena@earthlink.net=20
href=3D"mailto:teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net">Team Tierra =
Buena</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dlistserv@azgeocaching.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November =
06, 2002=20
8:06 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: =
[Az-Geocaching] RE:=20
grrrrrrrrr more mis information from the site stewards</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D414150003-07112002><FONT face=3D"Book =
Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff>Jill,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D414150003-07112002><FONT face=3D"Book =
Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D414150003-07112002><FONT face=3D"Book =
Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff>Permit me to add my thanks for your post. It is =
comforting=20
to know that we are not the objects of universal hostility among =
the=20
Site Stewards.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D414150003-07112002><FONT face=3D"Book =
Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D414150003-07112002><FONT face=3D"Book =
Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff>Steve</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D414150003-07112002><FONT face=3D"Book =
Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff>Team Tierra Buena</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D414150003-07112002><FONT face=3D"Book =
Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original =
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com">az-geocachi=
ng-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com</A>=20
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] <B>On =
Behalf Of=20
</B>Jill McCormick<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 06, 2002 =
5:06=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
[Az-Geocaching] RE: grrrrrrrrr more mis information from the =
site=20
stewards<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
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style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: =
#0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I just wanted to put in my =
two cents on=20
this issue. I have been reading the messages regarding =
the=20
article in the AZ Watch written by Shelly Rasmussen. I =
am a site=20
steward and would like to say that she does not represent all =
site=20
stewards, in fact, I think most site stewards disagree with =
her=20
views. I do not geocache myself, but hope to in the near=20
future. I am the regional coordinator for the Yuma =
Region and=20
have an avid geocacher in my group. I also have a few =
sites with=20
caches near them, but I have never had any trouble with =
vandalism at=20
these sites. As a site steward our job is to monitor and =
carry=20
out the wishes of the land managers, not be the police, judge, =
and=20
jury regarding geocaching. As I understood it from =
speaking with=20
Mary Estes, you had a productive meeting on September 27th, =
and had=20
high hopes for future cooperation. I also understand that many =
landmanagers have no problem with geocaching, nor do they =
have=20
policies against it. Please do not allow Ms. Rasmussen's =
comments to undo the good that has been done. I plan to =
speak to=20
Mary Estes myself and ask her to no longer allow Ms. Rasmussen =
to=20
publicly speak as if she was speaking for all site =
stewards. =20
Hopefully this will put an end to this issue. Keep up =
the good=20
work.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sincerely,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jill McCormick </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regional Coordinator=20
=
Yuma-Quartzsite</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOC=
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