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Sun Mar 29 10:21:30 CDT 2009
"Caches near, on or under public structures deemed potential or possible
targets for terrorist attacks. These may include but are not limited to
highway bridges, dams, government buildings, elementary and secondary
schools, and airports."
That's my two cents worth....
Paul
----- Arizona Geocaching -----
----- Where difficulty is measured in degrees -----
Rich B wrote:
A few things come to mind here:
1. Obviously whom ever placed the cache didn't get permission from the
school, or if the teacher did get permission the entire staff should have
been told about the cache being there.
2. I though you were not suppose to bury caches
3. Why didn't the people from Nevada explain to the person asking what they
were doing, considering it was at a school.
4. Sadly some of the students comments shows what the future holds.
Just my $0.02 worth :
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Richard Daines <rjdaines at gmail.com> wrote:
Sad to see how timid people are.
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 6:01 PM, ShadowAce <shadowace.az at gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.coloradodaily.com/news/2009/apr/20/fairview-high-boulder-evacuate
d-students-dismissed/
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>This type of situation is expected to happen in the game =
we
play. We have had cachers in city parks put in handcuffs because a =
police
officer reacted to a soccer mom was screaming child molester. We =
have had
folks confronted by new-hire security guard in a parking lot where the =
cache owner
happened to own the business and parking lot. I have seen =
rent-a-cops
chase people away from areas because they misunderstood the boundaries =
of the
lands they were supposed to patrol. Just last week a cacher from =
the Bay
Area confronted by an overzealous BLM Ranger “rather =
strongly” explained
that geocaches are NOT allowed on BLM land unless they get =
permission. I
had a short conversation with the District Office they did apologize and =
that
Ranger was informed of the BLM standing policy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The issue is that it is easy to point fingers and assume
irresponsibility on somebody’s part. The teacher that =
reported this
“may” have been told in a staff meeting when the cache was =
first
placed several years ago and subsequently forgot. Maybe they =
remembered but
wanted the afternoon off work. The only way to fully prevent this =
type of
situation is to stop playing the game. Even if we only placed =
caches in
our own front yards, a well intentioned neighbor will still report the =
intruder
to the police at 2:00 am.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I will surrender this soapbox to someone else =
now.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
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</b><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Shari
Guida<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> listserv at azgeocaching.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Az-Geocaching] Yeeehaw!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>But
the teacher did get permission, or so it states. It's not the first time =
a
teacher (or a scout leader) has utilized geocaching as a teaching tool =
and a
group activity. And that's a very good thing. It would have been more =
prudent
to have placed a cache further away from the school. However, some =
school
budgets and the bugaboo with permission slips don't allow for field =
trips as
much as they used to. Should the teacher then abandon the activity =
entirely? <br>
<br>
And where is the reviewer's responsibility in this? Yes, I know they are =
very
busy and I do appreciate the work they do. Did the cache say it was on =
school
property with school permission? The reviewer ought to have at least =
reminded
the teacher that despite permission this might not be a very good idea. =
There
used to be a cache in Avondale that was on school property. Not only was =
it on school
property, the page said where the video camera was and to smile and wave =
at it.
I searched for it on a Sunday and it still had a major creep =
factor....just
because it was on school property.<br>
<br>
My 1 cent worth.<br>
<br>
Shari of Shamik<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Richard Daines =
<rjdaines at gmail.com><br>
<b>To:</b> listserv at azgeocaching.com<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:52:56 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Az-Geocaching] Yeeehaw!<br>
</span><br>
I can think of a couple of cache right of the top of my head that are at =
Junior
Colleges.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:45 AM, PATRICK FINLEY =
<<a
href=3D"mailto:Fastball50 at msn.com" =
target=3D"_blank">Fastball50 at msn.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:black'>Paul hit the nail right on the head. I'm convinced =
that a lot
of cachers really don't even read the guidelines for placing =
caches, and
very frequently place caches that don't adhere to those guidelines. =
Based on
the history of that particular school, I'm not so sure I would have =
allowed a
cache of this type to be placed there. The fact that the cache owner was =
a
teacher at that school and that HE didn't read the guidelines makes it =
even
worse. It would sure be nice if most folks put a little =
more thought into
the placement of their caches instead of just spewing out cache
containers.................My 1 1/2 cents worth.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>From:</span></b><span =
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color:black'> <a href=3D"mailto:azpaul1 at cox.net" target=3D"_blank"
title=3D"mailto:azpaul1 at cox.net">AZPAUL</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>To:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> <a href=3D"mailto:listserv at azgeocaching.com" =
target=3D"_blank"
title=3D"mailto:listserv at azgeocaching.com">listserv at azgeocaching.com</a> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'> Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:13 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
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color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span =
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color:black'> Re: [Az-Geocaching] Yeeehaw!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>It seems that the =
teacher did
have permission of the school district, as the teachers quote in the =
article
indicates <b>"My administration knew; I also got a district =
grant
for it,"</b>. Unfortunately it didn't get passed on to the rest of =
the
teaching staff.<br>
<br>
The main problem was the following guideline was ignored by the teacher =
and his
class.<br>
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