[Az-Geocaching] Caching Group

[Andrew Ayre]

Wilderness areas are marked on Topo maps, so you can clearly see the 
boundaries.

Andy

Esteban wrote:
> Do you have a link I can read up more on this?  I will do a seach 
> myself, but I am curious what "wilderness" means because I can think of 
> MANY caches here in Tucson that would seem to be part of the "wilderness."
> 
> Please excuse my ignorance and thank you for your patience.  I am very, 
> very new to this all.
> 
> - Esteban (bakura82)
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Brian Casteel <bcasteel at uccinc.net 
> <mailto:bcasteel at uccinc.net>> wrote:
> 
>     Any area designated as "wilderness", caches are not allowed.  Per
>     the Wilderness Act of 1964, such items are deemed trash and thus,
>     are not permitted.
> 
>      
> 
>     Brian
> 
>     Team A.I.
> 
>      
> 
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>     *From:* az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com
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>     [mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com
>     <mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com>] *On Behalf
>     Of *Esteban
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:03 AM
> 
>     *To:* listserv at azgeocaching.com <mailto:listserv at azgeocaching.com>
>     *Subject:* Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group
> 
>      
> 
>      
> 
>     Shadowace,
> 
>     I am new to this all and I really appreciate this information you
>     posted because I honestly had no idea how much trouble the BLM says
>     we should be going to.  So, for example, if someone hides a parking
>     lot cache at ABC Supermarket, are they required to contact the BLM
>     first and also the owner(s) of that land in which the parking lot
>     resides for permission?  Wow.
> 
>     Also, you said "No wilderness area".  What exactly do you mean by this?
> 
>     - Esteban (bakura82)
> 
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> 
>     Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:11:44 -0700
>     From: shadowace.az <http://shadowace.az>@gmail.com <http://gmail.com>
>     To: listserv at azgeocaching.com <mailto:listserv at azgeocaching.com>
>     Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group
> 
>     Another thing that was tried as a reason for the last attempt was to
>     make a unified front of cachers to represent ourselves with land
>     managers in regards to placing caches legally with permission.
> 
>      Many land managers are ready to see Geocaching outlawed in this
>     state as well as other states because people simply refuse to follow
>     simple guidelines such as 'get permission' 'no tribal lands' 'no NPS
>     lands' 'No Wilderness areas'
> 
>      Now you begin to create a governing body to organize all this
>     together and form a groups to work on it. Many times it is a local
>     group in the area of the person who gets it going who is then
>     speaking for all cachers in the state.
> 
>      Do you really think you want to be the one going to the BLM and
>     promising that every cache on BLM land will be placed only after
>     obtaining permission from the BLM manager of the area?
> 
>      http://www.blm.gov/az/outrec/geocache.htm
> 
>     Arizona's
> 
> 
>             *BLM's Geocaching Game Rules*
> 
>         * _Identify proposed cache locations to the local BLM office
>           before placing a cache_
>         * Do not place caches at archaeological sites
>         * Obtain a BLM permit for any competitive events, contests for
>           prizes, paid participation, or caches hosted by commercial
>           business
>         * Advise BLM if you observe any misuse or abuse of a cache location
> 
>      Do you really want to be the one staking your word that everyone
>     else is following the rules?
> 
>      Honest show of hands, how many truly get permission before placing
>     a cache?
> 
>      I like the idea of a geocaching organization statewide however I
>     also see truth in reality and know as long as groundspeak is open to
>     everyone then many will not follow the rules and I for one no longer
>     wish to stick my neck out with land managers.
> 
>     ~ShadowAce / Dirk
> 
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