[Az-Geocaching] Poll

Thu Mar 17 22:46:15 MST 2005

My two cents worth..........  I see these different sites as being about
choices.    Some people drive Fords, some Chevy's, some Dodges' etc.  It is
an individual choice of what they want to drive...  and..   It is a personal
choice with regards to what each individual wants or doesnt want in regards
to geocaching sites.   It doesnt really matter what every other person on
this board wants or doesnt want.... it is still up to the individuals here
to decide for themselves which cache they choose to go after or not.   It
seems from the banter here that there are some who are pushing one site and
others who might want to trounce on another site.........    It is the
responsibility of the person choosing the sites for their family or kids to
ensure that they are comfortable with the content of the cache.  They can
select and choose as they see fit for their lifestyle.  So no amount of
banter is going to change that.    No site will just go away and I doubt
that any site is going to change its content because of anything that has
been said here.   It seems to me the horse is dead........ and we are still
whipping it.

That being said........ in closing......... I am personally not enthused
with nude caches......TV3 carried a piece in the recent past about
geocaching.... its a good thing they didnt know or dwell on that aspect of
it on TV.   So, I dont choose to look for those types of caches.   I also
have strong feelings about protecting family and kids from cache content
that is opposed to what I wish for them.  So, I dont look at those caches
either......  But..... I dont rule in or out any site......  I just choose
as wisely as I can....   Just because you drive down Baseline Rd and go to
Arizona Mills mall doesnt mean you have to cross the road and go into
Christys Cabaret........  Its all about choices.......  individual
choices.........  I wonder how much time has been spent writing and reading
on this topic (mine included) which could have been better spent on creating
the perfect cache somewhere.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of
Brian Casteel
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 10:21 PM
To: listserv at azgeocaching.com; Joseph Hammer
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Poll

I've spelled out my case already, and don't feel the need to continue
repeating myself with regards to the 'bigger picture'.

If you must read it yet again in yet another post...

My impression of the site itself is that it spawned out of resentment,
and is a rebellion against 'The Man' as it were for not allowing Geocaching
the way they want it to be.  By allowing certain things like the Nude LC, my
perception is that the site admins are acting like nothing more than
teenagers defying the rules of their parents to see how far they can go
before they've gone too far.

In some ways, I agree with Guy that it could become something pretty cool,
but right now how things are operating turns me off far more than it entices
me.

Brian
Team A.I.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Hammer" <joehammer at gmail.com>
To: <listserv at azgeocaching.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Poll

>I think you are missing the bigger picture. I am not saying that adult
> themes and difficulty are  the same. What I am saying is that just
> because you don't want to do a certain type of cache that is listed on
> a site that all the other caches should be ignored. I also cache with
> my family and guess what there are caches on both sites I wouldn't
> take my kids on. I wouldn't take my children nude caching I also
> wouldn't take my children on a 5 star difficulty rock climbing cache.
> Are they the same thing? NO Should 5 star difficulty caches be banned
> because I can't take my kids on them without risking there safety? NO
> Does that make GC.COM not a family site? Again I must say NO. The only
> thing that I am saying is that caching is about finding caches for me.
> I have the ability to pick and choose the caches I want to do. I
> honestly don't care if GC.COM or TC.COM or both list the cache. My
> question to you (or anyone else I guess) is why limit your choices? Do
> you honestly think that because a site has some adult themed caches
> that they wont have any caches that you or your family would enjoy
> finding? Its not like you have a ultimatum one site or the other.
> Cacheaholik
>
> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:05:19 -0700, Brian Casteel <bcasteel at uccinc.net>
> wrote:
>> Hmmm....I mixed my thought up a bit.  That second sentence should have
>> said
>> ...a difficulty ratings system...meh
>>
>> Brian
>> Team A.I.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Brian Casteel" <bcasteel at uccinc.net>
>> To: <listserv at azgeocaching.com>; "Joseph Hammer" <joehammer at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 8:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Poll
>>
>> > Difficulty rating and adult theme don't even belong in the same
>> > concept.
>> > A ratings system (there's one on TC.com as well) is intended to show
>> > the
>> > cacher how difficult the cache is perceived to be by the hider of said
>> > cache.  Having to acknowledge an 'I am over 18 years of age' prompt in
>> > order to look through the caches available is not my idea of what is
>> > appropriate in an activity that I feel should be restricted to family
>> > friendly themes. This is why caches promoting religious or political
>> > agendas aren't permitted.  They are concepts we shouldn't have to wade
>> > through in order to find information relevant to what I'm seeking.
>> >
>> > As I've stated before, my opinion of TC.com extends beyond the Nude LC
>> > cache, and addresses larger overall issues.
>> >
>> > Brian
>> > Team A.I.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Joseph Hammer" <joehammer at gmail.com>
>> > To: <listserv at azgeocaching.com>
>> > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:15 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Poll
>> >
>> >
>> >>I haven't placed a cache on GC.COM yet, but I plan to and I also plan
>> >> to place  caches on TC.COM.(rant) I don't understand why so many
>> >> people on this list feel as though they have to pick one or the other.
>> >> I also don't understand why someone would refuse to look for caches
>> >> that are listed on TC.COM because of another caches has so called
>> >> "adult theme". I think that is a just a excuse not to try anything
>> >> new. That would be like me saying I won't look for a cache on GC.com
>> >> because some of the caches are 5 star difficulty and I only want to
>> >> look for 4 star or less. Now if I don't want to look for a 5 star
>> >> cache I dont have to I also don't have to cache nude if I don't want
>> >> to. I also read alot of people saying that they feel that TC.COM is a
>> >> rebellion site maybe it is maybe it isn't I dont know I also don't
>> >> care if it is. To me it is just another oppurtunity to find caches and
>> >> I don't see anything wrong with that. If you do that is also fine with
>> >> me. I think for alot of people geocaching isn't about finding caches
>> >> anymore.If it was about finding them why would you care where they
>> >> were listed? If I found a cache listed on a wall in the bathroom I
>> >> would look for it. Would you? Or would you think of a reason not to
>> >> look?
>> >> I like to find caches. I don't care where they are listed. Whats
>> >> caching about? Looking for caches? So why does it matter where they
>> >> are listed at?(end rant)
>> >> Yes I will support TC.COM and I don't plan on not supporting GC.COM
>> >> Cacheaholik
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:41:19 -0700, Scott Wood
>> >> <scott at myblueheaven.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> At 06:26 PM 3/17/2005, you wrote:
>> >>> >How many of you would be willing to place a Terracache?If your
>> >>> >answer
>> >>> >is no please explain why.
>> >>>
>> >>> Yes, but they won't be traditional types of caches.  If I hide
>> >>> regular
>> >>> caches they will still be on GC.com.  I will us TC.com for some
>> >>> virtuals
>> >>> I
>> >>> have in mind.
>> >>>
>> >>> I am still hopeful that TC.com will fill that virtual cache void left
>> >>> by
>> >>> GC,com but only time will tell on that.  I will also not boycott them
>> >>> for
>> >>> allowing adult themed caches as I have NO problem at all with them.
>> >>>
>> >>>
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