[Az-Geocaching] Mo' bettah caches!

[Brian Casteel]

Hey now...I never said people couldn't express their opinions about what's
going on. :)  Too many times, things have become a personal issue, and this
is where flaming comes from, justifying the statement about
fighting/bickering.  Complaining about a certain cache type (in this case,
the now acronym'd LUM), could easily offend someone who hid such a cache,
such as newbies to the scene that I mentioned in my previous post.  Some may
roll their eyes at the prospect of it, but I'd be willing to bet that it
turned at least one person off from caching because others thought it wasn't
good enough.  At this point, the discussion has remained extremely civil,
something I'm glad for.  There have been groups that have all but imploded
because of such disagreements, and the civility of our responses so far has
been refreshing.  MOOG is a perfect example of what was once a strong group
that dissolved due to such vehement differences of opinion that they reached
a point where agreeing to disagree was no longer an option.

Also, I'm not sure how I said discussion was harmful, but rather the move to
revolt against Geocaching.com itself for the imposing of rules designed to
keep it good for all.  The statement that "you can't please everyone all the
time" is too true here.  There will always be disagreement on caches.  My
latest cache is a 10-stage night cache that weaves around a park nearby.
Because one person brought a 1-million candle-power spotlight (that died in
about 10 minutes), others present for the group funny ha-ha complained
because they 'didn't have a light that big'.  Since the cache wasn't
approved yet, we all agreed to meet one evening and let them search for it
as a group.  A few didn't even bring flashlights (um, it's a night cache
people) while others brought the $.99 special from BigLots!.  When I
submitted the cache for approval, I specified that at minimum a 2D MagLite
type light was preferred, primarily due to the ability to focus the beam.  I
also specified that a keen set of eyes were needed, as my placement of the
Firetacks added to the challenge.  I'm used to that aspect of it, but just
hope that if something comes out of this such as individual state groups
governing caches in cooperation, not defiance of Geocaching.com, that it's
done in a clean manner and one that benefits all.  Not just for the purpose
of thumbing noses at those who are trying to keep it good for all.

Brian
Team A.I.



-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:az-geocaching-bounces at listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Wood
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 5:17 PM
To: listserv at azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Mo' bettah caches!

At 10:54 AM 3/8/2005, you wrote:
>walking across a Walmart parking lot and checking random light 
>poles.  I'll still grab a find on those if I'm nearby, because to me it at 
>least shows the owner that their effort was appreciated by my logging a 
>find on their cache.  Could it also justify the 'lame urban cache' 
>model?  Of course.

While we will have to disagree about much of your post, namely about the 
discussion of these topics.  What you think is harmful to the cause, others 
see as healthy and open things up to discussion.  People don't have to 
agree about things, and no one should ever have to feel that they can't 
post on a topic because others will disagree with them.  One of the reasons 
for a list like this is so that people can express opinions and share 
ideas.  What you call "fighting/bickering/ridiculing" others simply call a 
discussion.

The one thing I will agree with you about is not going out and finding the 
caches you don't care for.  We were guilty of that for quite awhile, and to 
some level might still be, but take a look at the latest log I posted.  I 
posted a note saying that as I approached the cache area, it became clear 
that this was going to be a cache that I just didn't care for.  Here is the 
link.

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=6668268b-1316-4c3e-bd
3c-fede9753e0a0



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