[Az-Geocaching] Yes...very sad (Something to consider)

[AZcachemeister]

Yes, Joe, you are right. It's too bad these threads have to dive so deep 
into such depths of negativity.  :-[ I suppose to an outsider we 
probably sound like a bunch of screaming pre-schoolers. >:o
I'm blaming it on a case of mass cabin-fever, brought on by hot weather 
and high gas prices.


Joe Brekke wrote:

> Given the recent posts on this list serve, I just wanted to share 
> something with the members of this list.
>  
> I met recently, a couple who were new to Geocaching at a cache here in 
> the Portland area.  It was a multi-stage and we were walking out as 
> they were starting it.  I noticed them and struck up a conversation.  
> After talking for a few minutes, I said goodbye, and we went on.  I 
> was contacted by them because they did not find the cache.  I told him 
> where he went wrong and this opened up several e-mails between us. 
>  
> Their team name is Bandmaster.  He has retired as a Bandmaster in the 
> US Army.  He had several questions of a technical nature on his Garmin 
> 60CS and PDA's.  I don't profess to be anything of a technical guru 
> but know that several on this Listserve are:
>  
> The following are exerts of our recent e-mails.
>  
> Bandmaster:
>  
> I remember that you and I have the same Garmin gps. Right?  How do you 
> like it?  Any tips on its operation?  I've been looking for someone 
> who knows how to download clue sheets to a PDA.
>  
> My Response:
>  
> I love my 60C.
>  
> I do not have a PDA, so I have never downloaded them I just print it 
> to a piece of paper just like you have done.  I'm just not good with 
> PDA's, so I don't use them.  For people that do use them there is a 
> way to do it, as long as you match software.  I can probably put you 
> in touch with some people that can tell you how to do it.  I subscribe 
> to a geocaching listserve...in Arizona where I used to cache.  _They 
> can be a great source of technical information...often really 
> terrific_.  They do have their quirks, but a lot of them are great 
> technical sources.  The link to this site is:
>
>  ttp://www.azgeocaching.com/index.html 
> <http://www.azgeocaching.com/index.html>       you can check out the 
> site there.    If you subscribe to the mailing list then you can post 
> a question.  I've never had any viruses or any problems with spam due 
> to this list, so it's pretty safe.  You can ask anything and get some 
> pretty good answers.  Usually you will get a 3 or 4 responses, and 
> then you can just privately e-mail the person you choose to 
> ask...usually the post from the person will give you a link to their 
> e-mail.  I can tell you that a really good source for information on 
> the Garmin 60C is a guy named Brian Casteel.  There are several 
> sources that can help you with the PDA question as well.  Occasionally 
> the posts can get quite childish, sometimes people get their feelings 
> hurt, _but the technical information from some of them can't be beat 
> and is a lot better than I can give you_.  You can check it out, and 
> if the infighting gets too much for you, just unsubscribe from the list.
>
> Bandmaster:
>
> Great info Joe!  My model is the 60cs, probably an added feature I 
> haven't used yet. You gave me good resources too.
>
> My point is that these e-mails between he and I started  on the 22nd.  
> If he joined on that day you all know the type of messages he has 
> received from this list.  In light of this, I truly hope that he 
> didn't take my advice and join...even though I warned him that the 
> possibility existed that he would come across some thread like this.  
> I don't think that is something that is ever thought through when 
> e-mails are posted to this list.  Think of someone who was a new 
> subscriber and they came right into this yet again unproductive toxic 
> thread - usually off topic that gets started from an e-mail...though I 
> do realize this wasn't totally the case here.  The point is that 
> something like this continually occurs.  The AZGeocaching.com web site 
> says there are 300 members on this list.  I'm pretty sure that close 
> to 90% of the posts come from less than 20 of these members. 
>
> One of the threads on this Listserve in the last few years has dealt 
> with extending a hand to new Geocachers and acting as mentors and 
> inviting them to this list so that they can see what a wonderful 
> community we have.  Ok, can anyone say that the discussions they have 
> seen the last couple of days on this Listserve has in any way served 
> as an ambassidorship or helping hand to new Geocaching members?  Have 
> these threads been something that we as mentors to new members should 
> be proud of?  I have to say that I'm not, and Bandmaster if you did 
> actually subscribe to this list, I apologize.  My intent was not to 
> get you involved in this mess. 
>
> Joe - TeamBlunder
>
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