[Az-Geocaching] Wow

Brian Casteel bcasteel at uccinc.net
Mon Aug 22 21:58:28 MST 2005 

Exactly.  Many of the caches I want to find are a fair distance away, so my caching slows greatly as a result.  I'm looking at starting to do some backcountry hiking/camping, and both hiding/finding caches along the journey.  There's a place not too far away that I have plans to hide a cache next summer (it's too late now, and the friggin' highway is closed due to mudslide repair), called Hellroaring Plateau.  Like my West Rosebuzz cache, it isn't going to see a high number of visitors, but I know that those who seek it will be out for the experience, and not merely the 19th stop on a 63 cache day.  There are times when I want to go for numbers, but not for the final tally, just to see what I can drive myself to do in x number of hours.  It's a short-term, personal goal thing, if at all.  

Jeff is certainly free to express his opinions about things, but I would suggest utilizing quite a bit more tact in doing so.  Such a measure would more than likely keep the fires a little more under control, but isn't likely to keep people from voicing their own opinions.  Here's how I see it.  Blow a gasket like that, and people will respond in kind.  It goes back to that lesson taught to kids very early on.  Show the level of respect that you expect to get in return.  Flame us and someone is likely to burn you back.  Start a dialogue about something that irks you, and in all likelihood, it remains a conversation.

In closing, I would strongly recommend just unplugging for a little while and get a grip on things.  Personal attacks directed at people with whom you disagree with for the sole purpose of taking a cheap shot is extremely immature and is certainly the way to go if you want people to have no respect for you as a person.  It's just not worth the alienation.

Brian
Team A.I.


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: PATRICK FINLEY 
  To: listserv at azgeocaching.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 10:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Wow


  I think Ken has hit the nail on the head. This is a game/hobby folks! I think some of you take this WAY to seriously. We too were obsessed with geocaching and the numbers for quite awhile, but after stepping back a little, realized that in the whole realm of things, this doesn't mean squat. We now enjoy going after caches that we really "want" to pursue, instead of just going after caches to add to our numbers. We exceeded our personal goals and realized just how compulsive/obsessive this game can be. Of course, where we are located right now, we probably couldn't get 20-25 caches in a day, anyway. Geocaching is supposed to be "fun", and I think some of you have seemed to lost sight of that. There's plenty of other things to do out there, and maybe some of you who spend hours on the computer everyday, should keep that in mind. The best days I ever had in Geocaching have been the days where myself, AJ.JR, Sprocket, Highway Havoc, Malcolm of Taylor's Tomb Raiders, RTW, and various other cachers have taken tough hikes to beautiful places and gotten only one cache in a day. Sharing the day with your friends in the outdoors is what it's all about. It seems anymore that the the majority of posts on the listserv have nothing to do with caching or discussing geocaching, but are more of a social nature. If thats the direction the listserv is heading ,than so be it. I've never shyed away from expressing my opinion, and Jeff has stated how HE feels about co-FTF's, which is only HIS opinion. I'm sure Jeff has other things going on in his life right now, but it's really nobody elses business. Also,Trisha has other things going on in her life right now that are a lot more important than geocaching and I would guess she's put things into perspective. Just let it go and move on to something else, like the next pizza event or whatever.............

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Ken Bowley
    Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 6:26 PM
    To: listserv at azgeocaching.com
    Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Wow

    The wonderful thing about free speech is that it allows all sides to state 
    their opinions, and also to state their disagreement with the other sides 
    opinions.  So far I havn't seen anything that directly said to not state 
    your opinion, just a lot of disagreements with what you had to say.

    Personally I couldn't give a rats ass about most of the arguements on 
    here.  It's a game/hobby.  I've got plenty of other things to keep me 
    occupied if people start taking this too seriously.

    On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, TEAM 360 wrote:

    > Well, well, look at all the sensitive Arizona geocachers who jumped all 
    > over my post about "Co-FTF"...my, my....anyone else want to take a cheap 
    > shot at me?
    >
    > Welcome to the AZ Geocaching Listserve, NO OPINIONS ALLOWED.
    >
    > Now lets all jump on 360 for speaking up.
    >
    > Oh, look out Bill, since YOU don't post finds either, I am sure 
    > ShadowAce will be around to climb up your sh**, too....right?
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