[Az-Geocaching] A new way to fake the numbers.

[Brian Casteel]

Last I checked, FTFs aren't tracked anywhere, since electronically there is 
no way to verify if without having the logsheet in-hand.  Trisha had it 
right.  There are bigger fish in this whole thing to worry about, rather 
than simple terminology variances.

Brian
Team A.I.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jared Ross" <jaredmross at yahoo.com>
To: <listserv at azgeocaching.com>; <bill at freeholder.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:02 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] A new way to fake the numbers.


> <rebuttal>
> Couldn't agree with Bill more. I've taken the last few
> minutes to "cool off" after reading your original post
> but my hands are still shaking with the jump in blood
> pressure. I obviously take this somewhat personal
> since AZFastFeet and I enjoy going FTF hunting
> together. It started when we were working together, we
> would leave for caches together, drive there together,
> search together, and find together. Being a mere
> milisecond off from when one of us finds it to the
> other makes no difference to us. So sorry if you think
> this calls our WHOLE caching record in to question,
> but just go ahead and audit us Cache Officer, I
> thought you were one of the first cachers against
> people trying to "police" others. And don't start
> thinking it's all about the competition, if you want,
> I'll stop recording what # of FTF it is for me. That's
> really for more of my personal records anyways, but it
> just helps to have it attached to the log that it
> corresponds to. There's an added adrenaline rush in
> finding a cache first, for me anyway. Seeing that
> blank log, it's just a thrill. Not sharing the FTF
> with the person(s) who I shared all that excitement
> with is just wrong.
> </rebuttal>
>
> You keep caching your way, we'll keep caching ours.
>
> Jared
>
> --- Bill Nolan <bill at freeholder.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, this is kind of why I don't log finds at all.
>> The whole competitive
>> numbers thing just doesn't float my boat.  Suppose
>> that I go out cachine
>> today with a friend.  We are in the same car.  We
>> are working together.  We
>> head for a cache, park the car, and hike to it
>> together.  (There will
>> probably be a hike.  I don't do urban caches.)  We
>> arrive there at the same
>> time.  You want us to maybe flip a coin?  Well, no
>> flipping way.  We found
>> it together.  It is a co-find.  I see nothing wrong
>> with that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill in Willcox
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>> On Behalf Of TEAM
>> 360
>> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 4:12 PM
>> To: az-geocaching at listserv.azgeocaching.com
>> Subject: [Az-Geocaching] A new way to fake the
>> numbers.
>>
>>
>>
>> [rant] Now, just what in the heck is this garbage
>> about "Co-FTF" or a
>> "Shared FTF" I have been seeing on cache pages
>> lately? Just when I thought I
>> saw it all, another new way to inflate the numbers
>> comes along. What a
>> cheatin' way to pump up the FTF count!!
>>
>>
>>
>> Listen, there is NO such thing. The cacher who signs
>> the logsheet FIRST
>> should be the only one to claim the FTF. The other
>> cacher is SECOND-TO-FIND.
>> It is a fact of cache-finding that cannot be
>> changed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone claiming a "Co-FTF" or "Shared FTF" casts
>> doubt on the rest of their
>> caching record, in my opinion...of course, so do the
>> people who hide caches
>> under sock puppet accounts and then go claim a find
>> on them, or people who
>> claim finds because they simply "got close", or did
>> maintenance on a cache
>> and posted another find on it, etc, etc...the list
>> goes on and on... [/rant]
>>
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