[Az-Geocaching] Explanation and apology

Mon, 31 May 2004 23:29:14 -0700 (MST)

There has been "name-calling" unrelated to the Primerica thing.

Trisha

On Mon, 31 May 2004 20:03:03 -0700, "Brian - Team A.I." wrote:

> 
> Maybe I'm missing something, but when did name-calling enter the
> picture as
> a continuing problem?  Ok, I agree that a few things said on the
> listserv
> about this Primerica/Ken thing were a bit jaded, but I'm not sure
> name-calling went beyond perhaps one message.  We can't control how
> others
> react, only ourselves.  The anger shown over the last few days was
> IMHO for
> the most part, justified.  Could another course of action have been
> taken?
> Sure.  There are always at least two ways to go about doing things. 
> In many
> cases, there are far more.
> 
> Brian
> Team A.I.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Trisha" <trisha@brasher.com>
> To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 7:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Explanation and apology
> 
> 
> > My 2 cents, which probably isn't even worth that! :-)  :
> >
> > I agree with Brian. Business should be with the consent of everyone
> > involved. Period.
> >
> > However, I also appreciate Highpointer's attempts to explain and
> > apologize for what was done, (even if some people still have issues
> > with what he has said and done in the past.) I also think that
> > negative and disrespectful comments on a public list serve or on
the
> > public cache log pages are not appropriate and are downright mean,
no
> > matter how mad or slighted one might feel. It really shows
someone's
> > character (bad character) to flame or slam someone, no matter what
> the
> > circumstances, but that works BOTH ways.
> >
> > At some point, someone has to just let it go and decide not to
lower
> > themselves to that kind of behavior. Including Ken and his
sometimes
> > "obsessive" behavior in regards to caches, TB's etc (but hey,
aren't
> > we all somewhat obsessed to some extent about this "game"??) Maybe
we
> > should ALL lighten up and let it all drop, in the interests of
taking
> > the "high-road". What does continuing all the negativity accomplish
> > but continuing to make people on "both sides" feel badly?
> >
> > Again, this does not excuse inappropriate behavior by Ken related
to
> > the phone call thing, (or anyone else for anything else) but he has
> > apologized. And hopefully learned a valuable lesson. Now, each
person
> > can decide to accept that apology and move on, or hold a grudge and
> > continue to be mean. Really, everyone, don't you think that
purposely
> > slamming someone and calling them names and making fun of them is
> just
> > as bad or worse than what Ken has done?
> >
> > I bet I'll get a backlash from saying what I just said, but I don't
> > mind. If someone wants to continue to be mean and a "right fighter"
> > instead of being forgiving and understanding, than that also shows
> > what kind of person they are.
> >
> > Some may say that I don't know what I am talking about because I
have
> > not been on the receiving end of what some may call Ken's
> > "inappropriate" behavior, but that is not true. On more than one
> > occasion, he has questioned me, or subtley criticized me (without
> > realizing it....meaning, he didn't do it on purpose) on something
> > related to geocaching. I usually ignore it as it really isn't worth
> > getting so upset about. But when I did feel slighted recently, I
> > gently confronted him privately and he responded very
appropriately.
> >
> > And, altho' I didn't get a "telemarketer" call generated from Ken's
> > 'List", I DID get a call from Ken at 12:40 AM (after midnight)
early
> > this morning! He apologized and I forgave him. No grudges.
> >
> > Please be kind to one another,
> >
> > Trisha "Lightning"
> > Prescott
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 31 May 2004 18:34:47 -0700, Brian Cluff wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > ShadowAce wrote:
> > > >   I did not however know this was your listserv, since it
appears
> > to
> > > be so
> > > > and you are making rules on how we can communicate on the list,
> > > please
> > > > forgive me. I will hold all posts to myself.
> > >
> > > As the real owner of this mailing list I have gone through great
> > > lengths to keep any Spam (unsolicited mail) off the list.  I had
> > never
> > > imagined that anyone would take someones information that was
given
> > to
> > > them in confidence off the list and try and use it for financial
> > gain.
> > > I can only say this makes me extremely unhappy.
> > > I don't want to put my foot down and say NO business dealing with
> > > ANYONE on the list, but it sounds from Ken's own explanation that
> he
> > > was
> > > no more than a very casual acquaintance with Mr. Gecko and
> shouldn't
> > > have tried to have any business dealings with him at all.
> > > Trust me, I know what it's like to have no money.  I've
personally
> > > lived out of my car for a short time, and had to eat ramen for 3
> > meals
> > > a
> > > day for almost a year because I couldn't afford more than 50
cents
> a
> > > day
> > > for food, and all I had was a microwave to cook with, when times
> > were
> > > "good", so beans and or rice were out of the question. (in hind
> > sight,
> > > I
> > > guess I could have cooked rice in the microwave.).  Being out of
> > work
> > > for a long time is no excuse to start to bend the rules of common
> > > courtesy.
> > > Anyway, I guess my point would be that you should ask permission
> > > before trying to do any business with ANYONE, and you should only
> > ask
> > > permission of people you know.  Writing to people on a mailing
list
> > > does
> > > NOT count as knowing them!  The people on this mailing list are
> only
> > > here for a few reasons and none of those reasons are to increase
> ANY
> > > of
> > > our salaries... including mine.
> > >
> > > Brian Cluff
> > > www.AzGeocaching.com
> > > Team Snaptek
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