[Az-Geocaching] RE: forwarded forum post about micro/urban caches

EvilFISH listserv@azgeocaching.com
Wed, 4 Aug 2004 07:19:57 -0700


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let me add hiding a cache with the intent of it being found....


anyway=20

back to work
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Bill Nolan=20
  To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
  Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 6:53 AM
  Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: forwarded forum post about micro/urban =
caches


  Ah yes, another controversy..   This is such an interesting group.  =
There are obviously many ways to enjoy this sport, but some participants =
feel threatened if you choose to enjoy it in some other way than their =
favorite.  We have the Urban vs Rural, Micro vs Traditional, Hiders vs =
Finders, and, of course, the Numbers People vs the No-Numbers People.  =
I'm sure many of you can think of others.  Then we wonder why war is so =
common.



  I have experienced this firsthand.  My wife and I choose not to log =
caches, not because we think there is anything wrong with the numbers =
game, but simply because we don't want to participate in that.  When I =
mentioned that on this list, I received several private emails (from =
people still active here) that could only be described as abusive and =
threatening.  Part of that was because I was interviewed by a reporter =
from Phoenix who knew me and knew I was active in the sport, and some =
here didn't think I had the "numbers" to speak out like that.



  Then we made our second mistake.  We placed a cache.  It wasn't =
anything special, but the emails it brought me were even worse than the =
first batch.  How dare I place a cache when my find numbers were so low? =
 It was obvious I didn't have the experience to actually place a cache.  =
Well, I'm a fast learner.  The other ammo cans I bought are still =
sitting, fully stocked, out in my storage shed.  I didn't want to get =
any more nasty emails.  Too bad.  We do a lot of 4-wheeling, and I have =
some good places in mind.



  Geocaching is a great sport, accessible to people of all ages and =
levels of physical ability.  If it fails the test of time, it will be =
because of people who think their way is the right way - the ONLY right =
way.



  So, we will continue to play, our way.  We don't log our finds very =
often, and we don't do urban caches.  Since we choose to live 8 miles =
outside a very small town, it shouldn't come as a surprise that we avoid =
cities.  We also quit hiding caches, so those of you here who jumped all =
over us for the first one (you know who you are) - well, I'll give you a =
win on that one.



  Bill




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  From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com =
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Gale
  Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 5:21 AM
  =20

  Next time you place a cache......let's get back to what made us want =
to go=20
  geocaching in the first place."



  I had to respond to this one.=20



  This article was written by someone who wants to return to the days =
where only physically fit people have access to caches. Like it or not, =
other people have become geocachers. Physically unfit people have =
discovered an activity they can enjoy. I dont see why both cache types =
cant co-exist? Ive seen some nice rural caches, as well as junky ones. =
Same with urban caches



  "Again, lately I have really been enjoying the occasional cache I have =
found=20
  as I have been really only doing wilderness hiking caches around =
Sedona.=20
  They are my kind of fun."=20



  Thats great Scott, but it is not my idea of fun. Feel free to play =
your way. I cant do those kinds of caches. Ever since falling down =
stairs 12 yrs ago, I have not had the mobility I used to have. I would =
like to continue to play the game my way without feeling like an =
unwelcome outsider.

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>let me add hiding a cache with the =
intent of it=20
being found....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>anyway </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>back to work</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dbill@freeholder.com =
href=3D"mailto:bill@freeholder.com">Bill Nolan</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dlistserv@azgeocaching.com=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</A> =
</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 04, =
2004 6:53=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Az-Geocaching] RE: =
forwarded=20
  forum post about micro/urban caches</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV class=3DSection1>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ah yes, =
another=20
  controversy=85.&nbsp;&nbsp; This is such an interesting group.&nbsp; =
There are=20
  obviously many ways to enjoy this sport, but some participants feel =
threatened=20
  if you choose to enjoy it in some other way than their favorite.&nbsp; =
We have=20
  the Urban vs Rural, Micro vs Traditional, Hiders vs Finders, and, of =
course,=20
  the Numbers People vs the No-Numbers People.&nbsp; I=92m sure many of =
you can=20
  think of others.&nbsp; Then we wonder why war is so =
common.</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have =
experienced=20
  this firsthand.&nbsp; My wife and I choose not to log caches, not =
because we=20
  think there is anything wrong with the numbers game, but simply =
because we=20
  don=92t want to participate in that.&nbsp; When I mentioned that on =
this list, I=20
  received several private emails (from people still active here) that =
could=20
  only be described as abusive and threatening.&nbsp; Part of that was =
because I=20
  was interviewed by a reporter from Phoenix who knew me and knew I was =
active=20
  in the sport, and some here didn=92t think I had the =93numbers=94 to =
speak out like=20
  that.</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Then we =
made our=20
  second mistake.&nbsp; We placed a cache.&nbsp; It wasn=92t anything =
special, but=20
  the emails it brought me were even worse than the first batch.&nbsp; =
How dare=20
  I place a cache when my find numbers were so low?&nbsp; It was obvious =
I=20
  didn=92t have the experience to actually place a cache.&nbsp; Well, =
I=92m a fast=20
  learner.&nbsp; The other ammo cans I bought are still sitting, fully =
stocked,=20
  out in my storage shed.&nbsp; I didn=92t want to get any more nasty=20
  emails.&nbsp; Too bad.&nbsp; We do a lot of 4-wheeling, and I have =
some good=20
  places in mind.</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Geocaching =
is a great=20
  sport, accessible to people of all ages and levels of physical =
ability.&nbsp;=20
  If it fails the test of time, it will be because of people who think =
their way=20
  is the right way =96 the ONLY right way.</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So, we will =
continue=20
  to play, our way.&nbsp; We don=92t log our finds very often, and we =
don=92t do=20
  urban caches.&nbsp; Since we choose to live 8 miles outside a very =
small town,=20
  it shouldn=92t come as a surprise that we avoid cities.&nbsp; We also =
quit=20
  hiding caches, so those of you here who jumped all over us for the =
first one=20
  (you know who you are) =96 well, I=92ll give you a win on that=20
  one.</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
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  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Bill</SPAN></FONT></P>
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  face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">=20
  az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20
  [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] <B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Gale<BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, August 04, =
2004 5:21=20
  AM<BR></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#0000bf =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #0000bf">Next time you place a =
cache......let's=20
  get back to what made us want to go <BR>geocaching in the first=20
  place</SPAN></FONT>."</P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I had to respond to this one. =
</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">This article was written by someone who =
wants to=20
  return to the days where only physically fit people have access to =
caches.=20
  Like it or not, other people have become geocachers. Physically unfit =
people=20
  have discovered an activity they can enjoy. I dont see why both cache =
types=20
  cant co-exist?&nbsp;Ive seen some nice rural caches, as well as junky =
ones.=20
  Same with urban caches</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#0000bf =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #0000bf">"Again, lately I have really =
been=20
  enjoying the occasional cache I have found <BR>as I have been really =
only=20
  doing wilderness hiking caches around Sedona. <BR>They are my kind of =
fun."=20
  </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thats great Scott, but it is not my idea of =
fun. Feel=20
  free to play your way.&nbsp;I cant do those kinds of caches. Ever =
since=20
  falling down stairs 12 yrs ago, I have not had the mobility I used to =
have. I=20
  would like to continue to play the game my way without feeling like an =

  unwelcome outsider<FONT color=3Dnavy><SPAN=20
  style=3D"COLOR: =
navy">.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></=
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