[Az-Geocaching] RE: forwarded forum post about micro/urban caches
EvilFISH
listserv@azgeocaching.com
Wed, 4 Aug 2004 07:19:57 -0700
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let me add hiding a cache with the intent of it being found....
anyway=20
back to work
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Bill Nolan=20
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 6:53 AM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: forwarded forum post about micro/urban =
caches
Ah yes, another controversy.. This is such an interesting group. =
There are obviously many ways to enjoy this sport, but some participants =
feel threatened if you choose to enjoy it in some other way than their =
favorite. We have the Urban vs Rural, Micro vs Traditional, Hiders vs =
Finders, and, of course, the Numbers People vs the No-Numbers People. =
I'm sure many of you can think of others. Then we wonder why war is so =
common.
I have experienced this firsthand. My wife and I choose not to log =
caches, not because we think there is anything wrong with the numbers =
game, but simply because we don't want to participate in that. When I =
mentioned that on this list, I received several private emails (from =
people still active here) that could only be described as abusive and =
threatening. Part of that was because I was interviewed by a reporter =
from Phoenix who knew me and knew I was active in the sport, and some =
here didn't think I had the "numbers" to speak out like that.
Then we made our second mistake. We placed a cache. It wasn't =
anything special, but the emails it brought me were even worse than the =
first batch. How dare I place a cache when my find numbers were so low? =
It was obvious I didn't have the experience to actually place a cache. =
Well, I'm a fast learner. The other ammo cans I bought are still =
sitting, fully stocked, out in my storage shed. I didn't want to get =
any more nasty emails. Too bad. We do a lot of 4-wheeling, and I have =
some good places in mind.
Geocaching is a great sport, accessible to people of all ages and =
levels of physical ability. If it fails the test of time, it will be =
because of people who think their way is the right way - the ONLY right =
way.
So, we will continue to play, our way. We don't log our finds very =
often, and we don't do urban caches. Since we choose to live 8 miles =
outside a very small town, it shouldn't come as a surprise that we avoid =
cities. We also quit hiding caches, so those of you here who jumped all =
over us for the first one (you know who you are) - well, I'll give you a =
win on that one.
Bill
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From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com =
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Gale
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 5:21 AM
=20
Next time you place a cache......let's get back to what made us want =
to go=20
geocaching in the first place."
I had to respond to this one.=20
This article was written by someone who wants to return to the days =
where only physically fit people have access to caches. Like it or not, =
other people have become geocachers. Physically unfit people have =
discovered an activity they can enjoy. I dont see why both cache types =
cant co-exist? Ive seen some nice rural caches, as well as junky ones. =
Same with urban caches
"Again, lately I have really been enjoying the occasional cache I have =
found=20
as I have been really only doing wilderness hiking caches around =
Sedona.=20
They are my kind of fun."=20
Thats great Scott, but it is not my idea of fun. Feel free to play =
your way. I cant do those kinds of caches. Ever since falling down =
stairs 12 yrs ago, I have not had the mobility I used to have. I would =
like to continue to play the game my way without feeling like an =
unwelcome outsider.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>let me add hiding a cache with the =
intent of it=20
being found....</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>anyway </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>back to work</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dbill@freeholder.com =
href=3D"mailto:bill@freeholder.com">Bill Nolan</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dlistserv@azgeocaching.com=20
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</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 04, =
2004 6:53=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Az-Geocaching] RE: =
forwarded=20
forum post about micro/urban caches</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=3DSection1>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ah yes, =
another=20
controversy=85. This is such an interesting group. =
There are=20
obviously many ways to enjoy this sport, but some participants feel =
threatened=20
if you choose to enjoy it in some other way than their favorite. =
We have=20
the Urban vs Rural, Micro vs Traditional, Hiders vs Finders, and, of =
course,=20
the Numbers People vs the No-Numbers People. I=92m sure many of =
you can=20
think of others. Then we wonder why war is so =
common.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have =
experienced=20
this firsthand. My wife and I choose not to log caches, not =
because we=20
think there is anything wrong with the numbers game, but simply =
because we=20
don=92t want to participate in that. When I mentioned that on =
this list, I=20
received several private emails (from people still active here) that =
could=20
only be described as abusive and threatening. Part of that was =
because I=20
was interviewed by a reporter from Phoenix who knew me and knew I was =
active=20
in the sport, and some here didn=92t think I had the =93numbers=94 to =
speak out like=20
that.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Then we =
made our=20
second mistake. We placed a cache. It wasn=92t anything =
special, but=20
the emails it brought me were even worse than the first batch. =
How dare=20
I place a cache when my find numbers were so low? It was obvious =
I=20
didn=92t have the experience to actually place a cache. Well, =
I=92m a fast=20
learner. The other ammo cans I bought are still sitting, fully =
stocked,=20
out in my storage shed. I didn=92t want to get any more nasty=20
emails. Too bad. We do a lot of 4-wheeling, and I have =
some good=20
places in mind.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Geocaching =
is a great=20
sport, accessible to people of all ages and levels of physical =
ability. =20
If it fails the test of time, it will be because of people who think =
their way=20
is the right way =96 the ONLY right way.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So, we will =
continue=20
to play, our way. We don=92t log our finds very often, and we =
don=92t do=20
urban caches. Since we choose to live 8 miles outside a very =
small town,=20
it shouldn=92t come as a surprise that we avoid cities. We also =
quit=20
hiding caches, so those of you here who jumped all over us for the =
first one=20
(you know who you are) =96 well, I=92ll give you a win on that=20
one.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
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az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] <B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Gale<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, August 04, =
2004 5:21=20
AM<BR></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#0000bf =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #0000bf">Next time you place a =
cache......let's=20
get back to what made us want to go <BR>geocaching in the first=20
place</SPAN></FONT>."</P></DIV>
<DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I had to respond to this one. =
</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">This article was written by someone who =
wants to=20
return to the days where only physically fit people have access to =
caches.=20
Like it or not, other people have become geocachers. Physically unfit =
people=20
have discovered an activity they can enjoy. I dont see why both cache =
types=20
cant co-exist? Ive seen some nice rural caches, as well as junky =
ones.=20
Same with urban caches</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3D#0000bf =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #0000bf">"Again, lately I have really =
been=20
enjoying the occasional cache I have found <BR>as I have been really =
only=20
doing wilderness hiking caches around Sedona. <BR>They are my kind of =
fun."=20
</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thats great Scott, but it is not my idea of =
fun. Feel=20
free to play your way. I cant do those kinds of caches. Ever =
since=20
falling down stairs 12 yrs ago, I have not had the mobility I used to =
have. I=20
would like to continue to play the game my way without feeling like an =
unwelcome outsider<FONT color=3Dnavy><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: =
navy">.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></=
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