[Az-Geocaching] Re:Cheater/Not Cheater

[Brian Cluff]

Aus Dem Kasten wrote:
>  Brian Cluff wrote:
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>  >You must have missed when he signed up for the list, said his peace, 
> and then he unsubscribed eariler tonight.
> 
> I did in fact miss this information considering " /The subscribers list 
> is only available to the list administrator./"

I didn't expect you to notice that he left, thats why I mentioned it... 
but he did post a message to the list (reposted below), I was just 
surprised that you didn't notice it.

 > Is there some other way
> that I could find out who is a current member of the listserv and who is 
> not?

We protect the privacy of the members of this mailing list, so I'm sorry 
there is no way to get a list of members.  We've only sent one message 
in the history of azgeocaching.com to the list of mailing list members 
that wasn't a list message... and the end result was really funny :)
( http://azgeocaching.com/story.html?story=15 )

This is what he said... It would have been nice if he had stuck around 
for a while and gotten to know some of us... oh well..

--recap of yesterdays message from marc_54140 for those that missed it--
To all who worry:

I would like to thank Jon (Aus Dem Kasten) for telling me about this 
thread on alleged cheating.  Here’s my thoughts, for what they are worth.

Looking thru the national site, I found this:

“What are the rules in Geocaching?
Geocaching is a relatively new phenomenon. Therefore, the rules are very 
simple:
1. Take something from the cache
2. Leave something in the cache
3. Write about it in the logbook “

Looking at the on-line log entries for several caches, including several 
I have logged, you can find any combination of these three ‘rules'. 
Several clearly state they did not take something.  Well, how is that 
really different from not writing in the logbook? I take the use of the 
word ‘rule’ above as meaning a suggested action.  Certainly nothing 
engraved in stone.

Signing a log is definite proof the person was at the cache.  However, 
the reverse is not proof, of anything.  If someone (certainly not me!) 
wants to list a lot of caches he or she has not actually found, so what? 
Afraid of someone ‘headed for the last page of the stats’ (as AZFastFeet 
states) before you? I’m at a modest 270+, and am working to up that 
number, just as I suppose all of you are.  And although my biggest 
thrill is actually finding the cache, I also enjoy looking at the numbers.

I generally cache with two different friends – one who loves to dig thru 
the cache and see what’s there, and write in the book.  However, he 
quite often does not take and leave, since he forgets to bring something 
to exchange.

The other’s point of view is like mine – “he sounds weird because I am 
sure that lots of people just enjoy finding the cache (like us), not 
looking at the contents or signing a log - he is missing the point of 
the game (its suppose to be fun).” (This person is not even registered 
with the national site).

BTW, I list only caches I find.  Anything I cannot find (and there are a 
number)I do not list, nor do I make notes, etc.  This is my personal 
preference, so that when I look at my on-line listings, they are not 
cluttered up.

Do I plan on changing?  I do not believe I will.  I’m out to have fun.

Happy caching, wherever you are …………

Marc

>> Aus Dem Kasten wrote:
>>
>>> Marc responded curious to know why I requested the information. I 
>>> then explained the situation in more detail and told him about the 
>>> listserv so that he could be included in the conversation. I informed 
>>> him of how I was a bit skeptical when it came to his finds as were 
>>> some other cachers.
>>
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>>
>> You must have missed when he signed up for the list, said his peace, 
>> and then he unsubscribed eariler tonight, so there is not point in 
>> anything speaking TO him though the list.
>>
>> Oh well... it is only a stupid game/hobby/sport/reason to get 
>> outside/workout in disguise/reason to 4x4 in new places/family 
>> activity/adventure...etc...etc... but I do hate when people decide 
>> that they are going to play their game different than everyone else, 
>> just because they can.
>>
>> Brian Cluff
>> Team Snaptek
>>
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