[Az-Geocaching] Re:Cheater/Not Cheater
skydad
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Thu, 29 May 2003 18:36:17 -0700
Enough already!! Truly amazing that there is even a topic on "cheating" in
regards to geocaching. Even more amazing that so many people care.
More interesting topic - - Was the Pirate ever identified?
Thanks for the book suggestion Steve - plan on taking to Rocky Point and
reading over a beer or two . . . ok maybe three.
The Lunch Club
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> 1. Re: Beach Reading (Andrew Weissman, Psy.D.)
> 2. Cheater / Not Cheater (Marc Leitermann)
> 3. Re: Cheater / Not Cheater (Tim Giron)
> 4. RE: Beach Reading (Team Tierra Buena)
> 5. Re: Cheater / Not Cheater (Brian Cluff)
> 6. RE: Cheater / Not Cheater (Andrew Ayre)
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> From: "Andrew Weissman, Psy.D." <psydaz@hotmail.com>
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Beach Reading
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:10:55 -0700
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> <P>Steve,</P>
> <P>Do you know the author of the book?</P>
> <P>Andrew<BR><BR></P></DIV>
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> <DIV></DIV>>From: "Team Tierra Buena"
<TEAMTIERRABUENA@EARTHLINK.NET></DIV>
> <DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> <DIV></DIV>>To: "Arizona Geocaching"
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> <DIV></DIV>>Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Beach Reading
> <DIV></DIV>>Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 23:17:31 -0700
> <DIV></DIV>>
> <DIV></DIV>>The exchange between the "Andrews" about longitude suddenly
reminded me
> <DIV></DIV>>of a book I read in the years BC (Before Caching). It has
the rather
> <DIV></DIV>>long title of Longitude: The True Story of a Lone Genius
Who Solved the
> <DIV></DIV>>Greatest Scientific Problem of His Time, and it's written
by Dava Sobel.
> <DIV></DIV>>The title pretty much sums it up. It might not sound like
interesting
> <DIV></DIV>>reading, but I couldn't put it down. and that's before I
even knew what
> <DIV></DIV>>a GPSr is. Could be a good one for you to take on your
summer vacation.
> <DIV></DIV>>
> <DIV></DIV>>Steve
> <DIV></DIV>>
> <DIV></DIV>>Team Tierra Buena
> <DIV></DIV>>
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> From: "Marc Leitermann" <marc_54140@excite.com>
> Cc:
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:18:19 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cheater / Not Cheater
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> To all who worry:
>
> I would like to thank Jon (Aus Dem Kasten) for telling me about this
thread on alleged cheating. Here's my thoughts, for what they are worth.
>
> Looking thru the national site, I found this:
>
> "What are the rules in Geocaching?
> Geocaching is a relatively new phenomenon. Therefore, the rules are very
simple:
> 1. Take something from the cache
> 2. Leave something in the cache
> 3. Write about it in the logbook "
>
> Looking at the on-line log entries for several caches, including several I
have logged, you can find any combination of these three 'rules'. Several
clearly state they did not take something. Well, how is that really
different from not writing in the logbook? I take the use of the word 'rule'
above as meaning a suggested action. Certainly nothing engraved in stone.
>
> Signing a log is definite proof the person was at the cache. However, the
reverse is not proof, of anything. If someone (certainly not me!) wants to
list a lot of caches he or she has not actually found, so what? Afraid of
someone 'headed for the last page of the stats' (as AZFastFeet states)
before you? I'm at a modest 270+, and am working to up that number, just as
I suppose all of you are. And although my biggest thrill is actually
finding the cache, I also enjoy looking at the numbers.
>
> I generally cache with two different friends - one who loves to dig thru
the cache and see what's there, and write in the book. However, he quite
often does not take and leave, since he forgets to bring something to
exchange.
>
> The other's point of view is like mine - "he sounds weird because I am
sure that lots of people just enjoy finding the cache (like us), not looking
at the contents or signing a log - he is missing the point of the game (its
suppose to be fun)." (This person is not even registered with the national
site).
>
> BTW, I list only caches I find. Anything I cannot find (and there are a
number)I do not list, nor do I make notes, etc. This is my personal
preference, so that when I look at my on-line listings, they are not
cluttered up.
>
> Do I plan on changing? I do not believe I will. I'm out to have fun.
>
> Happy caching, wherever you are ....
>
> Marc
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> From: Tim Giron <tgiron@cox.net>
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cheater / Not Cheater
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:33:01 -0400
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> Um, I just wanted to clarify that my tagline was in reference to the fact
that I haven't been caching very much lateley and therefore I am headed in
the other direction!
>
> "Afraid of someone 'headed for the last page of the stats' (as AZFastFeet
states) before you?"
>
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> From: "Team Tierra Buena" <teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net>
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> Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Beach Reading
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:58:48 -0700
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> [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of
> Andrew Weissman, Psy.D.
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> Steve,
>
> Do you know the author of the book?
>
> Andrew
>
> Dava Sobel.
>
> Steve
> Team Tierra Buena
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> From: Brian Cluff <brian@Snaptek.com>
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cheater / Not Cheater
> Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>
> Marc Leitermann wrote:
> > "What are the rules in Geocaching?
> > Geocaching is a relatively new phenomenon. Therefore, the rules are very
simple:
> > 1. Take something from the cache
> > 2. Leave something in the cache
> > 3. Write about it in the logbook "
>
> > BTW, I list only caches I find. Anything I cannot find (and there are a
number)I do not list, nor do I make notes, etc. This is my personal
preference, so that when I look at my on-line listings, they are not
cluttered up.
> >
> > Do I plan on changing? I do not believe I will. I'm out to have fun.
>
> I think you seem to be missing the point of the person hiding the cache.
> If I just wanted my stuff to sit in the desert and didn't care if I knew
> for a fact that people were visiting it I would just throw it out the
> window. The logs are what makes the cache worth hiding. And I don't
> think you will find anyone that will argue that the log IN the cache
> isn't the authoritative list of people that have been to the cache.
> Especially since there are usually 1/3 or more cachers listed in the
> paper logs than there are on the online version.
>
> Brian Cluff
> Team Snaptek
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> Message: 6
> From: "Andrew Ayre" <andy@britishideas.com>
> To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
> Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Cheater / Not Cheater
> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:38:40 -0700
> Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>
> I think another point that you should understand Marc, is that it is
> generally regarded as open to the cache hider the exact rules on recording
a
> find for that specific cache. A lot of cache hiders when comparing the
paper
> log to the online log will delete your online log (including me - I will
> Email the person first to find out what is going on), so you are running
the
> risk of having your online record altered/deleted in places. Is that what
> you want for not spending literally 30 seconds to write at least your name
> on a piece of paper? If you follow the numbers game then I wouldn't think
> so. If you are happy with that and just having fun finding then I don't
see
> a problem with you not signing the log. Just don't start complaining when
> people delete your online logs.
>
> Andy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
> [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Brian
> Cluff
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:21 AM
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cheater / Not Cheater
>
>
> Marc Leitermann wrote:
> > "What are the rules in Geocaching?
> > Geocaching is a relatively new phenomenon. Therefore, the rules are very
> simple:
> > 1. Take something from the cache
> > 2. Leave something in the cache
> > 3. Write about it in the logbook "
>
> > BTW, I list only caches I find. Anything I cannot find (and there are a
> number)I do not list, nor do I make notes, etc. This is my personal
> preference, so that when I look at my on-line listings, they are not
> cluttered up.
> >
> > Do I plan on changing? I do not believe I will. I'm out to have fun.
>
> I think you seem to be missing the point of the person hiding the cache.
> If I just wanted my stuff to sit in the desert and didn't care if I knew
> for a fact that people were visiting it I would just throw it out the
> window. The logs are what makes the cache worth hiding. And I don't
> think you will find anyone that will argue that the log IN the cache
> isn't the authoritative list of people that have been to the cache.
> Especially since there are usually 1/3 or more cachers listed in the
> paper logs than there are on the online version.
>
> Brian Cluff
> Team Snaptek
>
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