[Az-Geocaching] Handicap Accessibility Guideline Generator
gale and mike
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<P>Very nice. I hope they use it. If you need extra voices to make your case with Jeremy, let us know.<BR><BR></P></DIV><BR><BR><BR>
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<DIV></DIV>>From: "Andrew Ayre" <ANDY@BRITISHIDEAS.COM>
<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
<DIV></DIV>>To: <LISTSERV@AZGEOCACHING.COM>
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Handicap Accessibility Guideline Generator
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:52:14 -0700
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<DIV></DIV>>I've created an updated version that incorporates the suggestions people
<DIV></DIV>>have given to me - BIG thank you to Gale and Mike!!
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<DIV></DIV>>http://www.britishideas.com/geocaching/handicap.php
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<DIV></DIV>>I couldn't think of anything better than "slight incline", so it's still in
<DIV></DIV>>there. Suggestions, feedback, etc. welcome.
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<DIV></DIV>>I'm trying to get Jeremy to put a link to it on the hide a cache
<DIV></DIV>>page.............................................
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<DIV></DIV>>Andy
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<DIV></DIV>> -----Original Message-----
<DIV></DIV>> From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
<DIV></DIV>>[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Andrew
<DIV></DIV>>Ayre
<DIV></DIV>> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:14 PM
<DIV></DIV>> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
<DIV></DIV>> Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Handicap Accessibility Guideline Generator
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<DIV></DIV>> Well, I got a response from Jeremy - they will get to it sometime after
<DIV></DIV>>they move the site to better servers...
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> So, meanwhile I've thrown together a guideline generator that hopefully is
<DIV></DIV>>quick and easy to use. It generates encoded and unencoded text for putting
<DIV></DIV>>on the cache page or on a web site.
<DIV></DIV>> I don't claim to know or understand many handicap limitations, so
<DIV></DIV>>comments, suggestions, etc. are welcome. Help me to make it a better tool!
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<DIV></DIV>> http://www.britishideas.com/geocaching/handicap.php
<DIV></DIV>> Andy
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<DIV></DIV>> -----Original Message-----
<DIV></DIV>> From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
<DIV></DIV>>[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Andrew
<DIV></DIV>>Ayre
<DIV></DIV>> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 1:18 PM
<DIV></DIV>> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
<DIV></DIV>> Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Ratings
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<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> Well, I would hope that the kind of checkbox rating form for detailed
<DIV></DIV>>terrain descriptions would be part of the form you fill in to submit a
<DIV></DIV>>cache. Note however that despite the clayjar system being around for a
<DIV></DIV>>relatively long time now, the people running geocaching.com haven't even
<DIV></DIV>>bothered to make it part of the cache submission process, or produced their
<DIV></DIV>>own version.
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<DIV></DIV>> I'm going to send Jeremy an Email with my suggestion and ask him for
<DIV></DIV>>comments.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> Andy
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<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> -----Original Message-----
<DIV></DIV>> From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
<DIV></DIV>>[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of gale and
<DIV></DIV>>mike
<DIV></DIV>> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 1:09 PM
<DIV></DIV>> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
<DIV></DIV>> Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Ratings
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<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> That's the clayjar's ratings system from geocaching.com. Problem is,
<DIV></DIV>>not everyone uses it consistently. Case in point is a fairly recent cache
<DIV></DIV>>called Savanic Mine
<DIV></DIV>>http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=61648 which the owners
<DIV></DIV>>have given a 1 * rating to. The cache description tells me it might be
<DIV></DIV>>beyond my abilities. People who don't have limitations don't usually realize
<DIV></DIV>>the difficulties a cache may present. It's also why I think something like
<DIV></DIV>>handicap rating system might be better implemented locally rather than at
<DIV></DIV>>geocaching.com. Since too many people already rate a cache without using
<DIV></DIV>>their ratings form, what makes anyone think people will use an updated form
<DIV></DIV>>or a new one?
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<DIV></DIV>> There is definitely a need though. Recently I e-mailed someone whose
<DIV></DIV>>log entries included mention of a physically handicapped cacher. I gave them
<DIV></DIV>>a list of about 50 caches and compared them to other caches they had been
<DIV></DIV>>to. They were very appreciative of the list since the handicapped person had
<DIV></DIV>>serious heart problems and several recent hospitalizations.
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<DIV></DIV>> >From: "Trisha"
<DIV></DIV>> >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
<DIV></DIV>> >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
<DIV></DIV>> >Subject: Fwd: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Ratings
<DIV></DIV>> >Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 11:28:04 -0700 (MST)
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >Back a few weeks ago (Mar 25) I posted this post re: cache ratings, a
<DIV></DIV>> >descriptive system that I have been using (supplemented by
<DIV></DIV>>appropriate
<DIV></DIV>> >wording on my cache pages) This post did not get ONE reply....which
<DIV></DIV>>is
<DIV></DIV>> >fine, but now that you guys are discussing it, what do you think?
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >Obviously, the difference between a "1", "1.5", and "2" on terrain,
<DIV></DIV>> >when critical to whether someone with some limitations may have
<DIV></DIV>> >trouble accessing that cache, needs to be described on the page in
<DIV></DIV>> >some fashion that you guys appear to be hashing out.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >When in doubt, I provide hopefully enough description so everybody
<DIV></DIV>> >will have some idea what they are getting into, because I sure
<DIV></DIV>> >appreciate the same in return.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >Trisha "Lightning"
<DIV></DIV>> >Prescott
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >SEE BELOW
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<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >
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<DIV></DIV>> >------- Start of forwarded message -------
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Ratings
<DIV></DIV>> >From: "Trisha"
<DIV></DIV>> >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 16:08:15 -0700 (MST)
<DIV></DIV>> >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >Hi Patrick and all,
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >In regards to rating caches, I have been using a descriptive system
<DIV></DIV>> >that seems to be fairly accurate. I just looked at geocaching.com to
<DIV></DIV>> >see if I could find where this is listed, because I don't remember
<DIV></DIV>> >where I got it from!!!
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >It's not that long, so I will type it out here and hopefully it will
<DIV></DIV>> >help. Obviously, this is subjective (half steps can be used) but it
<DIV></DIV>> >helps me to think of the ratings in these descriptive terms.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >TERRAIN:
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >1. Handicap Accessible (may be paved, relatively flat, <1/2 mile)
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >2. Suitable for Small Children (likely marked trails, no steep or
<DIV></DIV>> >overgrowth, <2 mile hike)
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >3. Not Suitable for Small Children - Average Adult/Older Child OK
<DIV></DIV>> >depending on physical condition (Likely off trail, may have one or
<DIV></DIV>> >more of the following: some overgrowth, some steep elevation changes,
<DIV></DIV>> > > 2 mile hike)
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >4. Experienced Outdoor Enthusiasts Only - (offtrail, one or more of
<DIV></DIV>> >the following: Heavy Overgrowth, Steep elevation (need use of hands),
<DIV></DIV>> > >10 miles, may be overnight.)
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >5. Requires Special Equipment or Knowledge: (Boat, 4WD, Rock
<DIV></DIV>>Climbing,
<DIV></DIV>> >SCUBA) or otherwise extremely difficult.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >Because I feel very strongly that people need to know what they are
<DIV></DIV>> >getting into, esp up here in the mountains or any out-of-the-way
<DIV></DIV>> >place, I will describe pretty clearly if there is a difficult part in
<DIV></DIV>> >getting to the cache. The only thing I don't agree with in this
<DIV></DIV>> >descriptive system is the 4WD = a "5". While 4WD is "special
<DIV></DIV>> >equipment", many have it. If getting to my cache requires 4WD I will
<DIV></DIV>> >put that in the description, with an assessment of how hard the 4WD
<DIV></DIV>> >might be, and rate the cache less than a "5" based upon the rest of
<DIV></DIV>> >the adventure.....:-)
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >DIFFICULTY:
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >1. EASY - plain sight or found in a few minutes
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >2. AVERAGE - Any geocacher can find in less than 30 minutes
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >3. CHALLENGING - Experienced Geocacher will find it challenging and
<DIV></DIV>> >could take a good part of the afternoon
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >4. DIFFICULT - Real challenge for experienced Geocacher. May require
<DIV></DIV>> >special skills/knowledge, or in depth preparation. May need multiple
<DIV></DIV>> >days/trips to find.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >5. EXTREME - Serious mental/physical challenge. Requires Special
<DIV></DIV>> >knowledge, skills or equipment.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >As you can see, there is quite a gap between "2" and "3". Guess that
<DIV></DIV>> >is what "2.5" is for!!!
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >LIke I said, I get this over a year ago from.... I thought - the
<DIV></DIV>> >geocaching website. Anyway, I wrote it down and this is what I go by.
<DIV></DIV>> >What do people think? Anybody else using this descriptive system? If
<DIV></DIV>> >most like it maybe it could become the standard?
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >Trisha "Lightning"
<DIV></DIV>> >Prescott
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, "Patrick Brown" wrote:
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > I have notised that a lot of people that place Caches use
<DIV></DIV>> >different
<DIV></DIV>> > > ratings. When we place a cache we have been using the suggested
<DIV></DIV>> >Rating
<DIV></DIV>> > > when
<DIV></DIV>> > > we fill out the form (
<DIV></DIV>> >href="http://mail.brasher.com/jump/http://www.clayjar.com/gcrs">http://www.
<DIV></DIV>>clayjar.com/gcrs/ ).
<DIV></DIV>> > > That is why it looks like we have set some high numbers. These
<DIV></DIV>> > > caches are
<DIV></DIV>> > > a lot easyer than they look. Then again I see some that have a
<DIV></DIV>> >rating
<DIV></DIV>> > > of 2
<DIV></DIV>> > > or 3 that are really tuff. Does anyone else see that?
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > Patrick Brown
<DIV></DIV>> > > PANDA77
<DIV></DIV>> > > Check out
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> >href="http://mail.brasher.com/jump/http://www.geocaching.com">http://www.ge
<DIV></DIV>>ocaching.com/
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> >href="http://mail.brasher.com/jump/http://www.azgeocaching.com">http://www.
<DIV></DIV>>azgeocaching.com/
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