[Az-Geocaching] Cache Pirate on the loose: Here is how I will protect my caches

Ken listserv@azgeocaching.com
Sun, 4 May 2003 12:45:24 -0700


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MessageNo..most of my caches were placed before they implemented their =
policies. My "Black Cave" cache has recently been picked up by an =
unknown self appointed cache cop. According to this unknown person the =
cache was apparently near an archeological site. This was totally =
unknown to me when I placed the cache and they never made any attempt to =
contact me about the sensitive nature of the placement. Black Cave is =
clearly posted on TOPO maps of the region and there is a clear trail to =
the entrance. The cave is not a secret and again is publicly known from =
the posting on TOPO maps. The only way I found about the confiscation =
was from a cryptic note that was left by the person who took it.  See =
GCA0E6 for more info.

Ken
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Bill Tomlinson=20
  To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
  Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 12:24 PM
  Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Pirate on the loose: Here is how I =
will protect my caches


  Ken,

  Am I understanding correctly that you will be making your caches =
members only to avoid land managers and the policies they have in place?

  CacheLess
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    From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com =
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Ken
    Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 12:18 PM
    To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
    Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Pirate on the loose: Here is how =
I will protect my caches


    I have decided to do the same. With all the land managers out =
grabbing my caches and now this bozo on the loose it is becoming to =
frustrating.

    Ken
    WhereRwee?
      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: Ken Akerman=20
      To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
      Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:33 AM
      Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Pirate on the loose: Here is how I =
will protect my caches


      To Arizona Geocachers,

      It's sad to see that there apparently is a cache pirate on the =
loose.  I thought his entries were a joke, because he stated that he was =
at two caches on Saturday that I visited in the morning (neither one was =
plundered at that time), but when I checked the log for Pushing Tin near =
Sky Harbor International Airport, I read that Azcachmeister had visited =
the cache this morning and reported that it indeed had been plundered.

      I am heading out to the Diamondbacks game in a short time, so on =
the way there I will stop at a cache that I visit frequently, Have Bug, =
Will Travel.  I stopped there Saturday morning to get the only travel =
bug in it and I moved the travel bug to another cache in Pinal County =
later that day.  Fortunately, if the pirate did clean out this cache, =
there were no travel bugs in it.

      In order to protect my traditional caches, I have made them all =
Members Only. This is to protect my own caches from plundering, as it =
appears the Cache Pirate is not a Geocaching.com Premium Member.  I =
recommend that all cachers make your caches Members Only (and become a =
Premium Member if you are not a member) now to protect them from =
plundering.  (Virtual caches cannot be plundered, so those are open to =
all).

      Since there are some new cachers who perhaps aren't sure if they =
want to pay the $30 annual fee to become a Premium Member, here is what =
I will do for you.  If you want to find one of my Members Only caches, =
and you are not yet a Premium Member and have been an active geocacher =
for less than three months with fewer than 50 cache findings, then you =
could find one of my caches without becoming a Premium Member.  To do =
this, send me an e-mail explaining what cache you would like to find, =
and I will respond with an e-mail listing the coordinates and a brief =
description.  You could find the cache and sign the logbook in the =
cache, but you won't be able to log your finding on Geocaching.com until =
you become a Premium Member.

      This is available to new geocachers only (and obviously does not =
apply to the Cache Pirate).  I hope this new personal policy is =
agreeable to all, and in my opinion will encourage Geocachers to become =
Premium Members without restricting access to geocaching by newcomers.

      Ken Akerman (a.k.a. Highpointer)


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>No..most of my caches were placed =
before they=20
implemented their policies. My "Black Cave" cache has recently been =
picked up by=20
an unknown self appointed cache cop. According to this unknown person =
the cache=20
was apparently near an archeological site. This was totally unknown to =
me when I=20
placed the cache and they never made any attempt to contact me about the =

sensitive nature of the placement. Black Cave is clearly posted on TOPO =
maps of=20
the region and there is a clear trail to the entrance. The cave is not a =
secret=20
and again is publicly known from the posting on TOPO maps. The only way =
I found=20
about the confiscation was from a cryptic note that was left by the =
person who=20
took it.&nbsp;&nbsp;See <SPAN id=3DWaypointName><FONT =
face=3DVerdana>GCA0E6 for more=20
info.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2><SPAN></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2><SPAN>Ken</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dbilltomlinson@qwest.net =
href=3D"mailto:billtomlinson@qwest.net">Bill=20
  Tomlinson</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dlistserv@azgeocaching.com=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</A> =
</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 04, 2003 =
12:24 PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Az-Geocaching] =
Cache Pirate=20
  on the loose: Here is how I will protect my caches</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D666292319-04052003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2>Ken,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D666292319-04052003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D666292319-04052003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Am I=20
  understanding correctly that you will be making your caches members =
only to=20
  avoid land managers and the policies they have in =
place?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D666292319-04052003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D666292319-04052003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2>CacheLess</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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    <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT=20
    face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A =

    =
href=3D"mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com">az-geocachi=
ng-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com</A>=20
    [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] <B>On Behalf =
Of=20
    </B>Ken<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 04, 2003 12:18 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
    listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Az-Geocaching] =
Cache=20
    Pirate on the loose: Here is how I will protect my=20
    caches<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have decided to do the same. With =
all the=20
    land managers out grabbing my caches and now this bozo on the loose =
it is=20
    becoming to frustrating.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ken</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>WhereRwee?</FONT></DIV>
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      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
      <DIV=20
      style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
      <A title=3Dken@highpointer.com =
href=3D"mailto:ken@highpointer.com">Ken=20
      Akerman</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
      title=3Dlistserv@azgeocaching.com=20
      =
href=3D"mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</A>=20
      </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 04, 2003 =
11:33=20
      AM</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Az-Geocaching] =
Cache Pirate=20
      on the loose: Here is how I will protect my caches</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV>To Arizona Geocachers,</DIV>
      <DIV><BR>It's sad to see that there apparently is a <A=20
      =
href=3D"http://www.geocaching.com/profile/default.asp?A=3D121309">cache =
pirate=20
      </A>on the loose.&nbsp; I thought his entries were a joke, because =
he=20
      stated that he was at two caches on Saturday that I visited in the =
morning=20
      (neither one was plundered at that time), but when I checked the =
log for=20
      <A=20
      =
href=3D"http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=3D67154">Pus=
hing=20
      Tin</A> near Sky Harbor International Airport, I read that <A=20
      =
href=3D"http://www.geocaching.com/profile/default.asp?A=3D88519">Azcachme=
ister=20
      </A>had visited the cache this morning and reported that it indeed =
had=20
      been plundered.</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>I am heading out to the Diamondbacks game in a short time, so =
on the=20
      way there I will stop at a cache that I visit frequently, <A=20
      =
href=3D"http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=3D13581">Hav=
e=20
      Bug, Will Travel</A>.&nbsp; I stopped there Saturday morning to =
get the=20
      only travel bug in it and I moved the travel bug to another cache =
in Pinal=20
      County later that day.&nbsp; Fortunately, if the pirate did clean =
out this=20
      cache, there were no travel bugs in it.</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>In order to protect my traditional caches, I have made them =
all=20
      <STRONG>Members Only</STRONG>.&nbsp;This is to protect my own =
caches from=20
      plundering, as it appears the Cache Pirate is not a Geocaching.com =
Premium=20
      Member.&nbsp; I recommend that all cachers make your caches=20
      <STRONG>Members Only</STRONG> (and become a <STRONG>Premium=20
      Member</STRONG> if you are not a member) <U>now</U> to protect =
them from=20
      plundering.&nbsp; (Virtual caches cannot be plundered, so those =
are open=20
      to all).</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>Since there are some new cachers who perhaps aren't sure if =
they want=20
      to&nbsp;pay the $30 annual fee&nbsp;to become a Premium Member, =
here is=20
      what I will do for you.&nbsp; If you want to find one of my =
Members Only=20
      caches, and you are not yet a Premium Member and have been an =
active=20
      geocacher for <U>less than three months</U> with <U>fewer than 50 =
cache=20
      findings</U>, then you could find one of my caches without =
becoming a=20
      Premium Member.&nbsp; To do this, send me an e-mail explaining =
what cache=20
      you would like to find, and I will respond with an e-mail listing =
the=20
      coordinates and a brief description.&nbsp; You could find the =
cache and=20
      sign the logbook in the cache, but you won't be able to log your =
finding=20
      on Geocaching.com until you become a Premium Member.</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>This is&nbsp;available to new geocachers only (and obviously =
does not=20
      apply to the Cache Pirate).&nbsp; I hope this new personal policy =
is=20
      agreeable to all, and in my opinion will encourage Geocachers to =
become=20
      Premium Members without restricting access to geocaching by=20
      newcomers.</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D3>Ken Akerman</FONT></STRONG> (a.k.a.=20
      <STRONG><EM>Highpointer</EM></STRONG>)</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      =
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