[Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)

Loran Wilcox listserv@azgeocaching.com
Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:38:44 -0700


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MessageAccording to this logic..

If two people use one GPS they can only claim the cache one time between =
them.
Does that mean when I use two gps's for one person I get two finds.
That should boost the numbers a little.

I think this whole thread was becoming to serious.

Loran (Team Sand Dollar)
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Webb Pickersgill=20
  To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
  Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 2:39 PM
  Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)


  Hmmm... tough crowd.  I didn't realize Bill and I would cause such a =
ruckus.  I do this for FUN (and because I'm addicted but that's a =
different story), and I'm just lucky that because I'm a newbie, I'm able =
to play catch-up and have a blast getting a bunch in a short period of =
time.  In any case, I'm not taking this whole "how many GPSr's?" thing =
seriously, however, I don't mind playing devil's avocate and making a =
few friendly comments.  (Nothing like stirring the pot)
   =20
  - Even though we (CacheLess and I) team up, I have been known to =
secretly grab the cache, try to sign the log and return it before =
CacheLess notices.  He really hates it when I try to do that... but not =
that he hasn't tried the same thing to me.  With that kind of behavoir, =
I'm sure he's GLAD I'm not on his team.
  - CacheLess has come with me to get caches that he already has logged. =
 Despite begging, he refuses to tell me anything.. and even laughs at me =
on occasion.  With that kind of behavior, I'm glad he's not on MY team.
  - So... if I knew where the Pueblo Grande Museum was, and I didn't use =
my GPS to get there, then it doesn't count as a geocache find?
  - I've seen users who simply use the mapquest maps to get close and =
find the cache just by searching the area.  Should their logs be =
deleted?
  - What about a person who stumbles across a cache, discovering =
geocaching for the first time.  Does he need to buy a GPS, then return =
to the cache later to be able to sign the log?

  Keep in mind, I'm not being serious here.  I'm just trying to say that =
geocaching is supposed to be FUN, and that's all we're trying to do: =
HAVE FUN!

  Webb Pickersgill
  TheWebbman

    -----Original Message-----
    From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com =
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Bill =
Tomlinson
    Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 1:35 PM
    To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
    Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)


    Truth be known, I did understand Regan's question, but I wanted him =
to ask it straight out.  To be honest, I'm quite offended by the =
question.  Had he bothered to become informed before raising an issue, =
he would have known that a number of my caches have been done with my =
family.  That fact is even put forth in word and photo on my profile =
page.  Yes, TheWebbman and I have done a great many caches together.  So =
to have Tres Hombres, Lazy K, and Team C.H.U.M.P.  There are also a =
number of caches that we both have gotten, but at different times, as =
well as caches that only one of us have.  I wonder if this question has =
posed to those teams or any of the others that frequently hunt together.

    For the record, I wouldn't be caught away from home without my GPS =
12 and TheWebbman is quite fond of his Legend.  It's amazing what a =
little bit of competition will bring out in a person.

    CacheLess
    Bill Tomlinson
      -----Original Message-----
      From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com =
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of RAND =
HARDIN
      Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:47 AM
      To: AZ-Geocaching
      Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)


      On March 17th at 11:40 a.m. RandMan responded with his =
interpretation of Regan's question and thoughts:

      Bill,

      Didn't you read the fine print in the rules for the definition of =
what a "team" is?  If both you and "The Webbman" used the same GPSr to =
find all of the 250+ caches that you found together, then you would be =
considered a "team" and can only record your finds as a team (together). =
 You cannot both claim finds separately.  Therefore, one of you will =
need to delete all of the caches that you found together (which in turn =
will move everyone up a point in the AZ stats)  [:)] .   [;-)]=20

      Rand (RandMan)=20



      ----- Original Message -----
        From: Bill Tomlinson
        Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:06 AM
        To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
        Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)

        Can you re-phrase that?  Sometimes I'm comprehension challenged. =
  (I mean, I don't get it)
          -----Original Message-----
          From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com =
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of =
Regan Smith
          Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:16 AM
          To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
          Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)


          Will both of you be using the same GPS???
            ----- Original Message -----=20
            From: Bill Tomlinson=20
            To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
            Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 1:17 PM
            Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)



            You guys at the top have got to knock off this rivalry or us =
newbies will never be able to catch up.  ;-)   Speaking of which, be =
watching for another big day from teams TheWebbman and CacheLess.  Now I =
hope I didn't just jinx us.

            CacheLess
            Bill


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>According to this logic..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>If two people use one GPS they can only claim =
the cache=20
one time between them.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Does that mean when I use two gps's for one =
person I get=20
two finds.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>That should boost the numbers a =
little.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I think this whole thread was becoming to=20
serious.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Loran (Team Sand Dollar)</FONT></DIV>
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  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dwpickers@cox.net href=3D"mailto:wpickers@cox.net">Webb =
Pickersgill</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dlistserv@azgeocaching.com=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</A> =
</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 17, 2003 =
2:39=20
PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Az-Geocaching] =
New Leader=20
  (again)</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D406255820-17032003><FONT face=3Dverdana>Hmmm... =
tough=20
  crowd.&nbsp; I didn't realize Bill and I would cause such a =
ruckus.&nbsp; I do=20
  this for FUN (and because I'm addicted but that's a different story), =
and I'm=20
  just lucky that because I'm a newbie, I'm able to play catch-up =
and&nbsp;have=20
  a blast getting&nbsp;a bunch in a short period of time.&nbsp; In any =
case, I'm=20
  not taking this whole "how many GPSr's?" thing seriously, however, I =
don't=20
  mind playing devil's avocate and making a few friendly comments.&nbsp; =

  (Nothing like stirring the pot)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D406255820-17032003><FONT face=3Dverdana>&nbsp;=20
  </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D406255820-17032003><FONT face=3Dverdana>- Even =
though we=20
  (CacheLess and I) team up, I have been known to secretly grab the =
cache, try=20
  to sign the log and return it before CacheLess notices.&nbsp; He =
really hates=20
  it when I try to do that... but not that he hasn't tried the same =
thing to=20
  me.&nbsp; With that kind of behavoir, I'm sure he's GLAD I'm not on =
his=20
  team.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D406255820-17032003>- CacheLess has come with me to=20
  get&nbsp;caches that&nbsp;he already has logged.&nbsp; Despite =
begging, he=20
  refuses to tell me anything.. and even laughs at me on occasion.&nbsp; =
With=20
  that kind of behavior, I'm glad he's not on MY team.</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D406255820-17032003><FONT face=3Dverdana>- So... if =
I knew where=20
  the Pueblo Grande Museum was, and I didn't use my GPS to get there, =
then it=20
  doesn't count as a geocache find?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D406255820-17032003>- I've seen users who simply use =
the=20
  mapquest maps to get close and find the cache&nbsp;just by searching =
the=20
  area.&nbsp; Should their logs be deleted?</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D406255820-17032003>- What about a person who =
stumbles across=20
  a cache, discovering geocaching for the first time.&nbsp; Does he need =
to buy=20
  a GPS, then return to the cache later to be able to sign the =
log?</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D406255820-17032003><FONT=20
  face=3Dverdana></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D406255820-17032003><FONT face=3Dverdana>Keep in =
mind, I'm not=20
  being serious here.&nbsp; I'm just trying to say that geocaching is =
supposed=20
  to be FUN, and that's all we're trying to do: HAVE =
FUN!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D406255820-17032003></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D406255820-17032003><FONT face=3Dverdana>Webb=20
  Pickersgill</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D406255820-17032003>TheWebbman</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D406255820-17032003><FONT=20
  face=3Dverdana></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT=20
    face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
    az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20
    [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]<B>On Behalf =
Of=20
    </B>Bill Tomlinson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 17, 2003 1:35=20
    PM<BR><B>To:</B> listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:=20
    [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D216032020-17032003><FONT face=3Dverdana>Truth be =
known, I did=20
    understand Regan's question, but I wanted him to ask it straight =
out.&nbsp;=20
    To be honest, I'm quite offended by the question.&nbsp; Had he =
bothered to=20
    become informed before raising an issue, he would have known that a =
number=20
    of my caches have been done with my family.&nbsp; That fact is even =
put=20
    forth in word and photo on my profile page.&nbsp; Yes, TheWebbman =
and I have=20
    done a great many caches together.&nbsp; So to have Tres Hombres, =
Lazy K,=20
    and Team C.H.U.M.P.&nbsp; There are also a number of caches that we =
both=20
    have gotten, but at different times, as well as caches that only one =
of us=20
    have.&nbsp; I wonder if this question has posed to those teams or =
any of the=20
    others that frequently hunt together.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D216032020-17032003></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D216032020-17032003><FONT face=3Dverdana>For the =
record, I=20
    wouldn't be caught away from home without my GPS 12 and TheWebbman =
is quite=20
    fond of his Legend.&nbsp; It's amazing what a little bit of =
competition will=20
    bring out in a person.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D216032020-17032003></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D216032020-17032003><FONT=20
    face=3Dverdana>CacheLess</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D216032020-17032003>Bill Tomlinson</SPAN></DIV>
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      <DIV></DIV>
      <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT=20
      face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
      az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20
      [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] <B>On =
Behalf Of=20
      </B>RAND HARDIN<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 17, 2003 11:47=20
      AM<BR><B>To:</B> AZ-Geocaching<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[Az-Geocaching] New=20
      Leader (again)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><U>On March 17th at 11:40 a.m. RandMan responded with his=20
      interpretation of Regan's question and thoughts:</U></DIV>
      <DIV><U></U>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>Bill,</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>Didn't you read the <U>fine print</U> in the&nbsp;rules for =
the=20
      definition of what a "team" is?&nbsp; If both you and "The=20
      Webbman"&nbsp;used the same GPSr to find all of the 250+ caches =
that you=20
      found together, then you would be considered a&nbsp;"team" and can =
only=20
      record your finds as a team (together).&nbsp; You cannot both =
claim finds=20
      separately.&nbsp; Therefore, one of you will need to <U>delete</U> =
all of=20
      the caches that you found together&nbsp;(which in turn&nbsp;will =
move=20
      everyone up a point in the AZ stats)&nbsp; [:)] .&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      [;-)]&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>Rand (RandMan)&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><U></U>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><U></U>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><U></U>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>----- Original Message -----</DIV>
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        <DIV=20
        style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
        Bill Tomlinson</DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 17, =
2003 9:06=20
        AM</DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> =
listserv@azgeocaching.com</DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: =
[Az-Geocaching] New=20
        Leader (again)</DIV>
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        <DIV><SPAN class=3D541564702-17032003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff>Can=20
        you re-phrase that?&nbsp; Sometimes I'm comprehension=20
        challenged.&nbsp;&nbsp; (I mean, I don't get =
it)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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          <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT=20
          face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
          az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20
          [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] <B>On =
Behalf Of=20
          </B>Regan Smith<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 14, 2003 7:16=20
          AM<BR><B>To:</B> listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
Re:=20
          [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial><U>Will both of you be using the same=20
          GPS???</U></FONT></DIV>
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            <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
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            <DIV=20
            style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
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            <A title=3Dbilltomlinson@qwest.net=20
            href=3D"mailto:billtomlinson@qwest.net">Bill Tomlinson</A> =
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            <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
            title=3Dlistserv@azgeocaching.com=20
            =
href=3D"mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</A>=20
            </DIV>
            <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March =
13, 2003=20
            1:17 PM</DIV>
            <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: =
[Az-Geocaching]=20
            New Leader (again)</DIV>
            <DIV><BR></DIV>
            <DIV><SPAN class=3D913151420-13032003><FONT face=3DArial=20
            color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
            <DIV><SPAN class=3D913151420-13032003><FONT face=3DArial=20
            color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
            <DIV><SPAN class=3D913151420-13032003><FONT face=3DArial=20
            color=3D#0000ff>You guys at the top have got to <U>knock off =
this=20
            rivalry or us newbies will never be able to catch up.&nbsp;=20
            ;-)</U>&nbsp;&nbsp; Speaking of which, <U>be watching for =
another=20
            big day from teams TheWebbman and CacheLess</U>.&nbsp; Now I =
hope I=20
            didn't just jinx us.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
            <DIV><SPAN class=3D913151420-13032003><FONT face=3DArial=20
            color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
            <DIV><SPAN class=3D913151420-13032003><FONT face=3DArial=20
            color=3D#0000ff>CacheLess</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
            <DIV><SPAN class=3D913151420-13032003><FONT face=3DArial=20
            color=3D#0000ff>Bill</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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