[Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)

Webb Pickersgill listserv@azgeocaching.com
Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:39:04 -0700


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MessageHmmm... tough crowd.  I didn't realize Bill and I would cause such a
ruckus.  I do this for FUN (and because I'm addicted but that's a different
story), and I'm just lucky that because I'm a newbie, I'm able to play
catch-up and have a blast getting a bunch in a short period of time.  In any
case, I'm not taking this whole "how many GPSr's?" thing seriously, however,
I don't mind playing devil's avocate and making a few friendly comments.
(Nothing like stirring the pot)

- Even though we (CacheLess and I) team up, I have been known to secretly
grab the cache, try to sign the log and return it before CacheLess notices.
He really hates it when I try to do that... but not that he hasn't tried the
same thing to me.  With that kind of behavoir, I'm sure he's GLAD I'm not on
his team.
- CacheLess has come with me to get caches that he already has logged.
Despite begging, he refuses to tell me anything.. and even laughs at me on
occasion.  With that kind of behavior, I'm glad he's not on MY team.
- So... if I knew where the Pueblo Grande Museum was, and I didn't use my
GPS to get there, then it doesn't count as a geocache find?
- I've seen users who simply use the mapquest maps to get close and find the
cache just by searching the area.  Should their logs be deleted?
- What about a person who stumbles across a cache, discovering geocaching
for the first time.  Does he need to buy a GPS, then return to the cache
later to be able to sign the log?

Keep in mind, I'm not being serious here.  I'm just trying to say that
geocaching is supposed to be FUN, and that's all we're trying to do: HAVE
FUN!

Webb Pickersgill
TheWebbman

  -----Original Message-----
  From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Bill
Tomlinson
  Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 1:35 PM
  To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
  Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)


  Truth be known, I did understand Regan's question, but I wanted him to ask
it straight out.  To be honest, I'm quite offended by the question.  Had he
bothered to become informed before raising an issue, he would have known
that a number of my caches have been done with my family.  That fact is even
put forth in word and photo on my profile page.  Yes, TheWebbman and I have
done a great many caches together.  So to have Tres Hombres, Lazy K, and
Team C.H.U.M.P.  There are also a number of caches that we both have gotten,
but at different times, as well as caches that only one of us have.  I
wonder if this question has posed to those teams or any of the others that
frequently hunt together.

  For the record, I wouldn't be caught away from home without my GPS 12 and
TheWebbman is quite fond of his Legend.  It's amazing what a little bit of
competition will bring out in a person.

  CacheLess
  Bill Tomlinson
    -----Original Message-----
    From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of RAND
HARDIN
    Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:47 AM
    To: AZ-Geocaching
    Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)


    On March 17th at 11:40 a.m. RandMan responded with his interpretation of
Regan's question and thoughts:

    Bill,

    Didn't you read the fine print in the rules for the definition of what a
"team" is?  If both you and "The Webbman" used the same GPSr to find all of
the 250+ caches that you found together, then you would be considered a
"team" and can only record your finds as a team (together).  You cannot both
claim finds separately.  Therefore, one of you will need to delete all of
the caches that you found together (which in turn will move everyone up a
point in the AZ stats)  [:)] .   [;-)]

    Rand (RandMan)



    ----- Original Message -----
      From: Bill Tomlinson
      Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:06 AM
      To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
      Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)

      Can you re-phrase that?  Sometimes I'm comprehension challenged.   (I
mean, I don't get it)
        -----Original Message-----
        From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Regan
Smith
        Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:16 AM
        To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
        Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)


        Will both of you be using the same GPS???
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Bill Tomlinson
          To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
          Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 1:17 PM
          Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)



          You guys at the top have got to knock off this rivalry or us
newbies will never be able to catch up.  ;-)   Speaking of which, be
watching for another big day from teams TheWebbman and CacheLess.  Now I
hope I didn't just jinx us.

          CacheLess
          Bill


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<DIV><SPAN class=3D406255820-17032003><FONT face=3Dverdana>Hmmm... tough =

crowd.&nbsp; I didn't realize Bill and I would cause such a =
ruckus.&nbsp; I do=20
this for FUN (and because I'm addicted but that's a different story), =
and I'm=20
just lucky that because I'm a newbie, I'm able to play catch-up =
and&nbsp;have a=20
blast getting&nbsp;a bunch in a short period of time.&nbsp; In any case, =
I'm not=20
taking this whole "how many GPSr's?" thing seriously, however, I don't =
mind=20
playing devil's avocate and making a few friendly comments.&nbsp; =
(Nothing like=20
stirring the pot)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D406255820-17032003><FONT face=3Dverdana>&nbsp;=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D406255820-17032003><FONT face=3Dverdana>- Even though =
we=20
(CacheLess and I) team up, I have been known to secretly grab the cache, =
try to=20
sign the log and return it before CacheLess notices.&nbsp; He really =
hates it=20
when I try to do that... but not that he hasn't tried the same thing to=20
me.&nbsp; With that kind of behavoir, I'm sure he's GLAD I'm not on his=20
team.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D406255820-17032003>- CacheLess has come with me to=20
get&nbsp;caches that&nbsp;he already has logged.&nbsp; Despite begging, =
he=20
refuses to tell me anything.. and even laughs at me on occasion.&nbsp; =
With that=20
kind of behavior, I'm glad he's not on MY team.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D406255820-17032003><FONT face=3Dverdana>- So... if I =
knew where=20
the Pueblo Grande Museum was, and I didn't use my GPS to get there, then =
it=20
doesn't count as a geocache find?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D406255820-17032003>- I've seen users who simply use =
the=20
mapquest maps to get close and find the cache&nbsp;just by searching the =

area.&nbsp; Should their logs be deleted?</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D406255820-17032003>- What about a person who stumbles =
across a=20
cache, discovering geocaching for the first time.&nbsp; Does he need to =
buy a=20
GPS, then return to the cache later to be able to sign the =
log?</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D406255820-17032003><FONT=20
face=3Dverdana></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D406255820-17032003><FONT face=3Dverdana>Keep in mind, =
I'm not=20
being serious here.&nbsp; I'm just trying to say that geocaching is =
supposed to=20
be FUN, and that's all we're trying to do: HAVE FUN!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D406255820-17032003></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D406255820-17032003><FONT face=3Dverdana>Webb=20
Pickersgill</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D406255820-17032003>TheWebbman</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D406255820-17032003><FONT=20
face=3Dverdana></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
  az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20
  [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]<B>On Behalf Of =
</B>Bill=20
  Tomlinson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 17, 2003 1:35 PM<BR><B>To:</B> =

  listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Az-Geocaching] New =
Leader=20
  (again)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D216032020-17032003><FONT face=3Dverdana>Truth be =
known, I did=20
  understand Regan's question, but I wanted him to ask it straight =
out.&nbsp; To=20
  be honest, I'm quite offended by the question.&nbsp; Had he bothered =
to become=20
  informed before raising an issue, he would have known that a number of =
my=20
  caches have been done with my family.&nbsp; That fact is even put =
forth in=20
  word and photo on my profile page.&nbsp; Yes, TheWebbman and I have =
done a=20
  great many caches together.&nbsp; So to have Tres Hombres, Lazy K, and =
Team=20
  C.H.U.M.P.&nbsp; There are also a number of caches that we both have =
gotten,=20
  but at different times, as well as caches that only one of us =
have.&nbsp; I=20
  wonder if this question has posed to those teams or any of the others =
that=20
  frequently hunt together.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D216032020-17032003></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D216032020-17032003><FONT face=3Dverdana>For the =
record, I=20
  wouldn't be caught away from home without my GPS 12 and TheWebbman is =
quite=20
  fond of his Legend.&nbsp; It's amazing what a little bit of =
competition will=20
  bring out in a person.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D216032020-17032003></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D216032020-17032003><FONT=20
  face=3Dverdana>CacheLess</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D216032020-17032003>Bill Tomlinson</SPAN></DIV>
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    <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT=20
    face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
    az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20
    [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] <B>On Behalf =
Of=20
    </B>RAND HARDIN<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 17, 2003 11:47=20
    AM<BR><B>To:</B> AZ-Geocaching<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[Az-Geocaching] New=20
    Leader (again)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><U>On March 17th at 11:40 a.m. RandMan responded with his=20
    interpretation of Regan's question and thoughts:</U></DIV>
    <DIV><U></U>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>Bill,</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>Didn't you read the <U>fine print</U> in the&nbsp;rules for the =

    definition of what a "team" is?&nbsp; If both you and "The=20
    Webbman"&nbsp;used the same GPSr to find all of the 250+ caches that =
you=20
    found together, then you would be considered a&nbsp;"team" and can =
only=20
    record your finds as a team (together).&nbsp; You cannot both claim =
finds=20
    separately.&nbsp; Therefore, one of you will need to <U>delete</U> =
all of=20
    the caches that you found together&nbsp;(which in turn&nbsp;will =
move=20
    everyone up a point in the AZ stats)&nbsp; [:)] .&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
    [;-)]&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>Rand (RandMan)&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><U></U>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><U></U>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><U></U>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>----- Original Message -----</DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
      Bill Tomlinson</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 17, =
2003 9:06=20
      AM</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> =
listserv@azgeocaching.com</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: =
[Az-Geocaching] New=20
      Leader (again)</DIV>
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      <DIV><SPAN class=3D541564702-17032003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff>Can you=20
      re-phrase that?&nbsp; Sometimes I'm comprehension =
challenged.&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      (I mean, I don't get it)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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        face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
        az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20
        [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] <B>On =
Behalf Of=20
        </B>Regan Smith<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 14, 2003 7:16=20
        AM<BR><B>To:</B> listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
Re:=20
        [Az-Geocaching] New Leader (again)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial><U>Will both of you be using the same=20
        GPS???</U></FONT></DIV>
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          style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
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          <A title=3Dbilltomlinson@qwest.net=20
          href=3D"mailto:billtomlinson@qwest.net">Bill Tomlinson</A> =
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          <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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          =
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          <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March =
13, 2003=20
          1:17 PM</DIV>
          <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: =
[Az-Geocaching] New=20
          Leader (again)</DIV>
          <DIV><BR></DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=3D913151420-13032003><FONT face=3DArial=20
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          <DIV><SPAN class=3D913151420-13032003><FONT face=3DArial=20
          color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=3D913151420-13032003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff>You=20
          guys at the top have got to <U>knock off this rivalry or us =
newbies=20
          will never be able to catch up.&nbsp; ;-)</U>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Speaking of=20
          which, <U>be watching for another big day from teams =
TheWebbman and=20
          CacheLess</U>.&nbsp; Now I hope I didn't just jinx=20
          us.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=3D913151420-13032003><FONT face=3DArial=20
          color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=3D913151420-13032003><FONT face=3DArial=20
          color=3D#0000ff>CacheLess</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN class=3D913151420-13032003><FONT face=3DArial=20
          color=3D#0000ff>Bill</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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