[Az-Geocaching] City of Phoenix Policy
Gale Draper
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Wed, 23 Jul 2003 20:01:57 -0700 (PDT)
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If that's what they want, fine, no problem from me. Is there any indication from her as to how we are supposed to know if a cache is placed on one of these archaeological sites? I would like to think they wouldn't fine someone who had no way of knowing an archaeological site was there.
Team Tierra Buena <TeamTierraBuena@earthlink.net> wrote:
I received today the following document from Mary Estes of the State Historic Preservation Office. I’ve reproduced below the entire document as I received it, since I got it as a Word document. There is no specific indication such as a form or letterhead to indicate that this is anything official, but in the file properties, the “Company” field contains “City of Phoenix”.
I have no idea if this is a draft, a final, or what procedures if any make this enforceable or “official”. Searches on phoenix.gov for “geocache” and “geocaching” turned up zero hits, and I haven’t got the time to run it down any further. Mary’s note to me asked if we could get it posted here in azgeocaching.com, which leads me to think she believes it is a done deal.
The text of the note is posted below my sig.
Steve
Team Tierra Buena
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City of Phoenix
Archaeology Section
Geocaching The City of Phoenix contains many archaeological sites within its boundaries, especially in its mountain preserves and open spaces. These archaeological sites have great scientific and cultural value, but are fragile, irreplaceable, and potentially subject to accidental harm or intentional vandalism. Many of the sites are not marked or identified by signage so as to not attract attention to them. In order to best preserve these sites, no activities are allowed at the sites which could directly or indirectly cause them harm, or broadcast their locations to the general public. Pursuant to PCC 24-36, Entering park areas closed to public use, and PCC 24-37, Vandalism in a park, geocaching at archaeological sites located on City of Phoenix property is not allowed. Violation of these ordinances is a Class 1 misdemeanor. Any geocaches that are found at archaeological sites will be immediately removed.
Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
"Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898
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<DIV>If that's what they want, fine, no problem from me. Is there any indication from her as to how we are supposed to know if a cache is placed on one of these archaeological sites? I would like to think they wouldn't fine someone who had no way of knowing an archaeological site was there.<BR><BR><B><I>Team Tierra Buena <TeamTierraBuena@earthlink.net></I></B> wrote:
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I received today the following document from Mary Estes of the State Historic Preservation Office. I’ve reproduced below the entire document as I received it, since I got it as a Word document. There is no specific indication such as a form or letterhead to indicate that this is anything official, but in the file properties, the “Company” field contains “City of </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Phoenix</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">”. </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have no idea if this is a draft, a final, or what procedures if any make this enforceable or “official”. Searches on phoenix.gov for “geocache” and “geocaching” turned up zero hits, and I haven’t got the time to run it down any further. Mary’s note to me asked if we could get it posted here in azgeocaching.com, which leads me to think she believes it is a done deal.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The text of the note is posted below my sig.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Steve</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Team Tierra Buena</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 14pt">City of </SPAN></FONT></B><B><FONT size=4><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Phoenix</SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Archaeology Section</SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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<H1><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The City of </SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size=3><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Phoenix</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> contains many archaeological sites within its boundaries, especially in its mountain preserves and open spaces. These archaeological sites have great scientific and cultural value, but are fragile, irreplaceable, and potentially subject to accidental harm or intentional vandalism. Many of the sites are not marked or identified by signage so as to not attract attention to them. In order to best preserve these sites, no activities are allowed at the sites which could directly or indirectly cause them harm, or broadcast their locations to the general public. Pursuant to PCC 24-36, Entering park areas closed to public use, and PCC 24-37, Vandalism in a park, geocaching at archaeological sites located on City of
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR><DIV><FONT color=#6633cc>Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes<BR> On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:<BR>"Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --<BR> "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"</FONT></DIV>
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