[Az-Geocaching] handicap gripe
Gale Draper
listserv@azgeocaching.com
Tue, 22 Jul 2003 15:32:20 -0700 (PDT)
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"This will help make geocaching more like what it really should be - a physically-challenging outdoor adventure activity that one can do anywhere in the world."
Read his last line. I quoted it above.
I think it's great that so many can get to these caches, but this is my third day in agony from pain in my back and hip, so bad I can scarcely breathe, all thanks to an old injury that now has a component of arthritis. Those high point type caches are an activity I will never be able to do again. This from someone who scaled many peaks in Alaska and hiked far into the wilderness areas when I worked for the forest service so I'm not just a lazy old couch potato.
"Koch, Dan" <Dan.Koch@eclipsys.com> wrote:
hay-suess creesto!
Do you have to start this up again? He DID say "That is the kind of place where I THINK more caches need to be." (emphasis mine)
See? He THINKS more caches should be like this, which is otherwise known as his OPINION! Nothing he said could possibly be construed to mean that Geocaching.com should exclude 'those less physically able'...at least not by anyone without an axe to grind.
Sheesh...
LazyK - Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Ayre [mailto:andy@britishideas.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 2:35 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Without "vacation" geocaches, some areas may never see a cache
You mean what YOU THINK it should be. Not what it should be. Right? I'm sure you were expressing your own opinion rather than wanting Geocaching to exclude those less physically able.
Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Ken Akerman
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 12:20 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Without "vacation" geocaches, some areas may never see a cache
Vacation caches are not always a bad idea. For example, I sometimes travel to areas that don't have a very high population density and have few or no caches. Such areas may have many great places to visit, places with excellent hiking trails and scenery, and many ideal locations to place caches. Unfortunately, I travel through many such areas where I would like to go out and find a cache, but there is no cache to be found.
If there are no people living in the area who are willing and able to place caches, then why shouldn't I, or any other geocacher, place a cache in such a location? Such areas need more caches - why should so many great scenic and beautiful areas have few or no caches, while an urban area like Phoenix has an overabundance of caches?
If a cache is well-hidden in a remote area using a durable container like an ammo can, then the cache should last for many years without having to "maintain" it. For example, there is a cache on the summit of Kings Peak, the highest point of Utah. That is the kind of place where I think more caches need to be. This is a cache, however, that one cannot be expected to go out and check on within short notice, even if the cache owner lives nearby. Getting to the summit of Kings Peak and back takes about two days and is accessible to most people only during the summer months.
For example, on my last trip I was in Wyoming, and I found several caches in the state. However, many parts of the state have few or no caches, because the population of Wyoming is the lowest of any state. Therefore, low-population density regions like Wyoming need the help from people traveling through the state to increase the number of caches in the state. Also, geocachers from the Phoenix area should be encouraged to place more caches in those parts of Arizona that don't have many caches.
Therefore, geocachers traveling through areas with few or no active geocachers and few or no caches should be encouraged to place new caches, as long as such caches are well-hidden using durable containers. This will help make geocaching more like what it really should be - a physically-challenging outdoor adventure activity that one can do anywhere in the world.
Ken Akerman (a.k.a. Highpointer)
Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
"Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898
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<DIV>"This will help make geocaching more like what it really should be - a physically-challenging outdoor adventure activity that one can do anywhere in the world."</DIV>
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<DIV>Read his last line. I quoted it above. </DIV>
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<DIV>I think it's great that so many can get to these caches, but this is my third day in agony from pain in my back and hip, so bad I can scarcely breathe, all thanks to an old injury that now has a component of arthritis. Those high point type caches are an activity I will never be able to do again. This from someone who scaled many peaks in Alaska and hiked far into the wilderness areas when I worked for the forest service so I'm not just a lazy old couch potato.<BR><BR><B><I>"Koch, Dan" <Dan.Koch@eclipsys.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=982585821-22072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>hay-suess creesto!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=982585821-22072003><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=982585821-22072003><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>Do you have to start this up again? </FONT></FONT></SPAN>He DID say "<FONT size=3><FONT color=#000000><FONT face="Times New Roman">That is the kind of place where I THINK<EM> </EM>more caches need to be</FONT>.</FONT></FONT>" (emphasis mine)</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=982585821-22072003><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>See? He THINKS more caches should be like this, which is otherwise known as his OPINION! Nothing he said could possibly be construed to mean that Geocaching.com should exclude 'those less physically able'...at least not by anyone without an axe to grind.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=982585821-22072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Sheesh...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=982585821-22072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>LazyK - Dan</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Andrew Ayre [mailto:andy@britishideas.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 22, 2003 2:35 PM<BR><B>To:</B> listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Az-Geocaching] Without "vacation" geocaches, some areas may never see a cache<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=055423321-22072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>You mean what YOU THINK it should be. Not what it should be. Right? I'm sure you were expressing your own opinion rather than wanting Geocaching to exclude those less physically able.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>Andy<BR><BR></FONT></P>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Ken Akerman<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 22, 2003 12:20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Az-Geocaching] Without "vacation" geocaches, some areas may never see a cache<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Vacation caches are not always a bad idea. For example, I sometimes travel to areas that don't have a very high population density and have few or no caches. Such areas may have many great places to visit, places with excellent hiking trails and scenery, and many ideal locations to place caches. Unfortunately, I travel through many such areas where I would like to go out and find a cache, but there is no cache to be found.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If there are no people living in the area who are willing and able to place caches, then why shouldn't I, or any other geocacher, place a cache in such a location? Such areas need more caches - why should so many great scenic and beautiful areas have few or no caches, while an urban area like Phoenix has an overabundance of caches? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If a cache is well-hidden in a remote area using a durable container like an ammo can, then the cache should last for many years without having to "maintain" it. For example, there is a cache on the <A href="http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3a835fcc-ff0d-4d32-9ed1-2a831678a627">summit of Kings Peak</A>, the highest point of Utah. That is the kind of place where I think more caches need to be. This is a cache, however, that one cannot be expected to go out and check on within short notice, even if the cache owner lives nearby. Getting to the summit of Kings Peak and back takes about two days and is accessible to most people only during the summer months.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>For example, on my last trip I was in Wyoming, and I found several caches in the state. However, many parts of the state have few or no caches, because the population of Wyoming is the lowest of any state. Therefore, low-population density regions like Wyoming need the help from people traveling through the state to increase the number of caches in the state. Also, geocachers from the Phoenix area should be encouraged to place more caches in those parts of Arizona that don't have many caches.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Therefore, geocachers traveling through areas with few or no active geocachers and few or no caches should be encouraged to place new caches, as long as such caches are well-hidden using durable containers. This will help make geocaching more like what it really should be - a physically-challenging outdoor adventure activity that one can do anywhere in the world.</DIV>
<DIV><BR><STRONG>Ken Akerman</STRONG> (a.k.a. <STRONG><EM>Highpointer</EM></STRONG>)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR><DIV><FONT color=#6633cc>Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes<BR> On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:<BR>"Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --<BR> "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#6633cc></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#6633cc>Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898</FONT></DIV><p><hr SIZE=1>
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