[Az-Geocaching] The "Most Unsecure" OS

Mike Ingoglia listserv@azgeocaching.com
Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:20:17 -0700


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MessageThis is why the Internet was pretty much founded on BSD based =
UNIX.  Remember, LINUX isn't really UNIX, it's UNIX like.  BSD based =
systems are tried and true and with other flavors of UNIX still account =
for the majority of the Web servers on the Internet.  Yahoo! is run on =
FreeBSD servers, Hotmail (yes Microsoft) runs on FreeBSD servers =
(they're slowly trying to change this... bad P.R., you know), Sony Japan =
runs on FreeBSD, Walnut Creek (the busiest FTP site in the world) runs =
on FreeBSD... just to through this in, I believe Google runs on LINUX.  =
If my numbers are still correct, an Apache web server still (although =
just barely) has more installs then all the other web server combined (I =
believe it's around 50% of all web servers run UNIX based Apache).  =
Also, in defense of LINUX and the other open source projects one thing =
you have to keep in mind is in mixed environments the UNIX system is =
usually the one that's outside the firewall or on DMZ networks... it's =
pretty much out in the wind and therefore more prone to direct attacks.  =
It is my opinion that UNIX is held to a higher standard then it's =
Microsoft counterparts.  Although Microsoft took a huge step over =
Windows NT when it introduced RRAS with regards to controlling open =
ports, routing, etc it still has a lot of proving itself to do.

All this is coming from one of the first MCSE's...  I was Microsoft =
certified before the rage of becoming certified.  Many companies out =
there have tried to jump on the bandwagon offering classes that =
basically allows you to memorize the questions... also, the tests are =
exponentially easier then they were originally (the Windows 3.1 test was =
probably one of the most difficult Microsoft has made... if you can =
believe that!).  I first became certified in 1994 so you can tell I'm =
pretty much a Microsoft focused person.  UNIX has always been a hobby of =
mine and something I've always used for DNS, firewalls, network =
troubleshooting, etc.  In fact, I'm building a new Apache 2.0 webserver =
in another window of my computer right now (and... my desktop computer =
is running Windows XP... although it's behind my Cisco PIX firewall with =
strict firewall security)!  I'm also one of the few people that have =
been successful in getting a Microsoft webserver to be very reliable =
(maybe Brian Lafrance, my coworker, co-conspirator with Team Leaplab, =
and our database programmer might disagree :-) ).  FYI:  The Microsoft =
IIS server we run at the office has almost 500 websites hosted on it!!!!

Mike
Team Leaplab

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Team Tierra Buena=20
  To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20
  Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 6:08 PM
  Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The "Most Unsecure" OS


  According to this article, it's... well, let's just say there's a =
penguin involved:

  http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=3D27428

  The real point being, nobody's safe these days.

  Steve
  Team Tierra Buena
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is why the Internet was pretty =
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BSD based UNIX.&nbsp; Remember, LINUX isn't really UNIX, it's UNIX =
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BSD based systems are tried and true and with other flavors of UNIX =
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Yahoo! is run=20
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(they're=20
slowly trying to change this... bad P.R., you know), Sony Japan runs on =
FreeBSD,=20
Walnut Creek (the busiest FTP site in the world) runs on FreeBSD... just =
to=20
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still=20
correct, an Apache web server still (although just barely) has more =
installs=20
then all the other web server combined (I believe it's around 50% of all =
web=20
servers run UNIX based Apache).&nbsp; Also, in defense of LINUX and the =
other=20
open source projects one thing you have to keep in mind is in mixed =
environments=20
the UNIX system is usually the one that's outside the firewall or on DMZ =

networks... it's pretty much out in the wind and therefore more prone to =
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attacks.&nbsp; It is my opinion that UNIX is held to a higher standard =
then it's=20
Microsoft counterparts.&nbsp; Although Microsoft took a huge step over =
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routing, etc=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All this is coming from one of the =
first=20
MCSE's...&nbsp; I was Microsoft certified before the rage of becoming=20
certified.&nbsp; Many companies out there have tried to jump on the =
bandwagon=20
offering classes that basically allows you to memorize the questions... =
also,=20
the tests are exponentially easier then they were originally (the =
Windows 3.1=20
test was probably one of the most difficult Microsoft has made... if you =
can=20
believe that!).&nbsp; I first became certified in 1994 so you can tell =
I'm=20
pretty much a Microsoft focused person.&nbsp; UNIX has always been a =
hobby of=20
mine and something I've always used for DNS, firewalls, network =
troubleshooting,=20
etc.&nbsp; In fact, I'm building a new Apache 2.0 webserver in another =
window of=20
my computer right now (and... my desktop computer is running Windows =
XP...=20
although it's behind my Cisco PIX firewall with strict firewall=20
security)!&nbsp;&nbsp;I'm also one of the few people that have been =
successful=20
in getting&nbsp;a Microsoft webserver to be very reliable (maybe Brian =
Lafrance,=20
my coworker, co-conspirator with Team Leaplab,&nbsp;and our database =
programmer=20
might disagree :-) ).&nbsp; FYI:&nbsp; The Microsoft IIS server we run =
at the=20
office has almost 500 websites hosted on it!!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mike</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Team Leaplab</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 27, 2003 =
6:08=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Az-Geocaching] The =
"Most=20
  Unsecure" OS</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D316180001-28012003><FONT face=3D"Book =
Antiqua">According to=20
  this article, it's... well, let's just say there's a penguin=20
  involved:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D316180001-28012003><FONT=20
  face=3D"Book Antiqua"></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"><A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=3D27428"=
>http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=3D27428</A></FO=
NT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D316180001-28012003><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua">The =
real point=20
  being, nobody's safe these days.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D316180001-28012003><FONT=20
  face=3D"Book Antiqua"></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D316180001-28012003><FONT=20
  face=3D"Book Antiqua">Steve</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D316180001-28012003><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua">Team =
Tierra=20
  Buena</FONT></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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