[Az-Geocaching] RE: Oregon bureaucrats propose using GPS to track each driver's
Mike Ingoglia
listserv@azgeocaching.com
Tue, 7 Jan 2003 09:00:54 -0700
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The ACLU still has their face red about banning Christmas displays in =
public areas because they felt it promoted one religion over another =
(arguments like this is why I can't support the ACLU)... Give them time =
to regroup... I sure hope they jump on this one because this would be a =
true violation of our rights. Although on paper the ACLU is an =
outstanding organization and has done a tremendous amount of good in the =
past I feel they take certain things too far. The ACLU seems to do =
things to attract attention to themselves (almost as if they're trying =
to justify their existence because they're afraid they're running out of =
things to do. The Christmas fiasco comes to mind... as does the 'In God =
we trust', and 'One nation under God' outcry in the public school =
system. The ACLU doesn't seem to realize this country was founded under =
a belief in a deity and the whole idea of 'separation of church and =
state' was instituted so our government couldn't impose an 'official' =
religion as the British did with 'The Church of England'.
Yep, I'm rambling and off subject... my apologies.
Just a humble opinion from someone that hasn't been to church since I =
was married in '98 (so I'm definitely not religious) but has a great =
deal of respect for the history of this nation and the beliefs in which =
it was founded on. :-)
Mike
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Brian Casteel=20
To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 11:40 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: Oregon bureaucrats propose using GPS to =
track each driver's
What surprises me is how the ACLU hasn't pounced all over this. The =
public will not go for this, not only due to the 'Big Brother' feel it =
has, but for purposes the government doesn't want to admit they would =
like to use the technology. Not that I'm playing conspiracy theorist or =
anything *grin*, but whenever something of this nature comes about, =
there are always those devious few who would like to see it used for =
greater control measures. Hell, look at how far the magnetic guidance =
concept flopped after testing in S. Cal, where vehicles would be =
controlled by magnetic force on the road to handle speed/driving, in =
order to improve traffic congestion. =20
Technology similar to the proposed already exists in the public sector =
in the way of vehicle anti-theft systems. A US-based company =
manufactures an alarm system that allows the vehicle to be tracked via =
GPS in realtime using either a computer or a cellphone. It can also be =
used to control functions of the car, such as starting/stopping the =
engine, rolling up windows, etc... This of course being at the absolute =
discretion on the part of the consumer, and not something forced on =
them. To require GPS tracking in vehicles, then charging by the mile is =
ridiculous. =20
The only thing I can say in favor of this is based on a VERY limited =
scope where it would be of benefit. Law enforcement could benefit from =
this technology by tracking a pursuit vehicle without engaging in a =
pursuit (or after termination), and coupled with helicopter monitoring, =
track the vehicle via GPS, in order to improve the chances of =
recovery/arrest. However, the above mentioned reasons against the =
technology far outweigh this small benefit to an isolated population =
segment. Just my .02
Brian
Team A.I.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The ACLU still has their face red about =
banning=20
Christmas displays in public areas because they felt it promoted one =
religion=20
over another (arguments like this is why I can't support the =
ACLU)... Give=20
them time to regroup... I sure hope they jump on this one because =
this=20
would be a true violation of our rights. Although on paper the =
ACLU is an=20
outstanding organization and has done a tremendous amount of good in the =
past I=20
feel they take certain things too far. The ACLU seems to do =
things to=20
attract attention to themselves (almost as if they're trying to justify =
their=20
existence because they're afraid they're running out of things to =
do. The=20
Christmas fiasco comes to mind... as does the 'In God we trust', and =
'One nation=20
under God' outcry in the public school system. The ACLU doesn't =
seem to=20
realize this country was founded under a belief in a deity and the whole =
idea of=20
'separation of church and state' was instituted so our government =
couldn't=20
impose an 'official' religion as the British did with 'The Church of=20
England'.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Yep, I'm rambling and off subject... my =
apologies.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just a humble opinion from someone that =
hasn't been=20
to church since I was married in '98 (so I'm definitely not religious) =
but has a=20
great deal of respect for the history of this nation and the beliefs in =
which it=20
was founded on. :-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mike</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<A title=3Dbcasteel@cox.net href=3D"mailto:bcasteel@cox.net">Brian =
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title=3Daz-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 06, 2003 =
11:40=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Az-Geocaching] RE: =
Oregon=20
bureaucrats propose using GPS to track each driver's</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What surprises me is how the ACLU =
hasn't pounced=20
all over this. The public will not go for this, not only due to =
the 'Big=20
Brother' feel it has, but for purposes the government doesn't want to =
admit=20
they would like to use the technology. Not that I'm playing =
conspiracy=20
theorist or anything *grin*, but whenever something of this nature =
comes=20
about, there are always those devious few who would like to see it =
used for=20
greater control measures. Hell, look at how far the magnetic =
guidance=20
concept flopped after testing in S. Cal, where vehicles would be =
controlled by=20
magnetic force on the road to handle speed/driving, in order to =
improve=20
traffic congestion. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Technology similar to the proposed =
already exists=20
in the public sector in the way of vehicle anti-theft systems. A =
US-based company manufactures an alarm system that allows the vehicle =
to be=20
tracked via GPS in realtime using either a computer or a =
cellphone. It=20
can also be used to control functions of the car, such as =
starting/stopping=20
the engine, rolling up windows, etc... This of course being at =
the=20
absolute discretion on the part of the consumer, and not something =
forced on=20
them. To require GPS tracking in vehicles, then charging by the =
mile is=20
ridiculous. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The only thing I can say in favor of =
this is=20
based on a VERY limited scope where it would be of benefit. Law=20
enforcement could benefit from this technology by tracking a pursuit =
vehicle=20
without engaging in a pursuit (or after termination), and coupled with =
helicopter monitoring, track the vehicle via GPS, in order to improve =
the=20
chances of recovery/arrest. However, the above mentioned reasons =
against=20
the technology far outweigh this small benefit to an isolated =
population=20
segment. Just my .02</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Brian</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Team =
A.I.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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