[Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike Force
Koch, Dan
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Thu, 2 Jan 2003 17:28:45 -0700
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Went down today to get the permit. I went to the office at 222 N Central in
Phoenix. No problems other than you are now REQUIRED to watch the 30 minute
video. I were told that you can no longer get your permit by mail. The
permits themselves were stamped with the word 'VIDEO'. BTW, you can also
get State Trust Land permits at this office also.
Now about the trip...
Can anyone estimate the time it will take to drive from the entrance at
Wellton, to the three caches in question and back to Wellton? It looks like
it is 40+ miles, which leads me to the next question..
To those that have done this road before, what is the road condition really
like? Of the three caches, the one closest to Wellton has a terrain rating
of 5 while the one furthest has a terrain rating of 1.5, yet you must pass
the other one to get there.
What equipment would be prudent to take? The video that they make you watch
makes it look like you should bring everything but the kitchen sink. I know
they are saying that you should be prepared, but is two spare tires
realistic?
Thanks in advance,
Dan
LazyK
-----Original Message-----
From: Team Tierra Buena [mailto:teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:56 PM
To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] El Camino del Diablo Strike Force
After a conversation with Scott and Ann from Team My Blue Heaven at the
Tucson picnic, we have decided to schedule a "strike force" for anyone who
would like to attempt the "El Camino del Diablo" cache (GC294C) (
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=10572
<http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=10572> ). This cache
is located in the Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge, which is
surrounded by the Mexican Border and the Barry Goldwater Air Force Gunnery
range between Ajo and Yuma.
The cache itself is not difficult to get to, but it is in an extremely
remote area, so multiple vehicles will be prudent. Hence the "Strike Force".
Also because of its location, each adult is required to obtain a permit in
order to enter. The permit is free, but it involves signing a lengthy
document that basically says if you run into trouble out there, you can't
sue the government. You can obtain a permit application from the refuge and
get more information about the refuge at the address on their web site:
<http://ifw2irm2.irm1.r2.fws.gov/refuges/arizona/cabeza.html>
http://ifw2irm2.irm1.r2.fws.gov/refuges/arizona/cabeza.html.
We are planning Sunday, January, 19, 2003 as "D-Day". That will give
everyone interested plenty of time to obtain their permits (and get through
the holidays).
In spite of what the web site says, however, currently the only open route
to and from the refuge and the cache starts near the town of Wellton,
Arizona, just off Exit 30 on I-8 at approximately N 32 39.717 W 114 08.583.
Christmas Pass Road, near Tacna, and the eastern entrances from Ajo are
closed indefinitely. Keep that in mind when considering or planning this
trip.
We'll be providing more details on the meeting place and time as we get
closer to "D-Day". If you're interested, let us know, and send away for your
application.
Steve
Team Tierra Buena
Making Geocaching harder than it ought to be...
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<DIV><SPAN class=638074223-02012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Went
down today to get the permit. I went to the office at 222 N Central
in Phoenix. No problems other than you are now REQUIRED to watch the 30
minute video. I were told that you can no longer get your permit by
mail. The permits themselves were stamped with the word 'VIDEO'.
BTW, you can also get State Trust Land permits at this office
also.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=638074223-02012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=638074223-02012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Now
about the trip...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=638074223-02012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=638074223-02012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Can
anyone estimate the time it will take to drive from the entrance at Wellton, to
the three caches in question and back to Wellton? It looks like it is 40+
miles, which leads me to the next question..</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=638074223-02012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=638074223-02012003>
<DIV><SPAN class=638074223-02012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>To
those that have done this road before, what is the road condition really
like? Of the three caches, the one closest to Wellton has a terrain rating
of 5 while the one furthest has a terrain rating of 1.5, yet you must pass the
other one to get there.</FONT></SPAN></DIV></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=638074223-02012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=638074223-02012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>What
equipment would be prudent to take? The video that they make you watch
makes it look like you should bring everything but the kitchen sink. I
know they are saying that you should be prepared, but is two spare tires
realistic? </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=638074223-02012003></SPAN><SPAN class=638074223-02012003><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=638074223-02012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Thanks
in advance,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=638074223-02012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Dan</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=638074223-02012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>LazyK</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=638074223-02012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Team Tierra Buena
[mailto:teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 11,
2002 5:56 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Az-Geocaching] El
Camino del Diablo Strike Force<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=831552515-11112002><FONT face="Book Antiqua">After a
conversation with Scott and Ann from Team My Blue Heaven at the Tucson
picnic, we have decided to schedule a "strike force" for anyone who would like
to attempt the "El Camino del Diablo" cache (GC294C) (<A
href="http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=10572">http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=10572</A>).
This cache is located in the Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge, which is
surrounded by the Mexican Border and the Barry Goldwater Air Force Gunnery
range between Ajo and Yuma.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=831552515-11112002><FONT
face="Book Antiqua"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=831552515-11112002><FONT face="Book Antiqua">The cache itself
is not difficult to get to, but it is in an extremely remote area, so multiple
vehicles will be prudent. Hence the "Strike Force". Also because of its
location, each adult is required to obtain a permit in order to enter. The
permit is free, but it involves signing a lengthy document that basically says
if you run into trouble out there, you can't sue the government. You can
obtain a permit application from the refuge and get more information
about the refuge at the address on their web site: </FONT></SPAN><A
href="http://ifw2irm2.irm1.r2.fws.gov/refuges/arizona/cabeza.html"><FONT
face="Book Antiqua">http://ifw2irm2.irm1.r2.fws.gov/refuges/arizona/cabeza.html</FONT></A><FONT
face="Book Antiqua">.<SPAN class=831552515-11112002> </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Book Antiqua"><SPAN
class=831552515-11112002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Book Antiqua"><SPAN class=831552515-11112002>We are planning
<STRONG>Sunday, January, 19, 2003</STRONG> as "D-Day". That will give everyone
interested plenty of time to obtain their permits (and get through the
holidays).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Book Antiqua"><SPAN
class=831552515-11112002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Book Antiqua"><SPAN class=831552515-11112002>In spite of what
the web site says, however, currently the only open route to and from the
refuge and the cache starts near the town of Wellton, Arizona, just off
Exit 30 on I-8 at approximately N 32 39.717 W 114 08.583. Christmas Pass Road,
near Tacna, and the eastern entrances from Ajo are closed indefinitely. Keep
that in mind when considering or planning this trip.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Book Antiqua"><SPAN
class=831552515-11112002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Book Antiqua"><SPAN class=831552515-11112002>We'll be
providing more details on the meeting place and time as we get closer to
"D-Day". If you're interested, let us know, and send away for your
application.
<P align=left><FONT face="Book Antiqua">Steve<BR>Team Tierra
Buena<BR></FONT><FONT size=2><SPAN class=296575623-28102002><FONT
face="Book Antiqua" size=3><EM>Making Geocaching harder than it ought to
be...</EM></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P></SPAN></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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