From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 2 01:15:58 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:15:58 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's THAT season Message-ID: <003001c3b871$d7a16640$4102a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C3B837.2B0229E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, during my Geocaching adventures today, I happened upon the scene = of a suicide-by-firearm. I was just north of Sign of the Past IV, and = stopped to check on a pickup truck to make sure everything was ok (saw = driver slumped over). She had put a .357 to her chin and 'took care of = her problems' that way. Just a warning to everyone out caching that it = is something you might come across, as the despair of people increases = due to the holidays and they look for places/ways to solve the problems. = As the Forest Ranger I spoke with said, they want to be found, so it = isn't typically going to be in a terribly remote location. Her truck = was parked about 30' from the road on a 4x4 pullout. =20 I hope nobody else comes across anything like this, because it is = certainly a vivid memory. =20 Brian Team A.I. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C3B837.2B0229E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, during my Geocaching adventures = today,=20 I happened upon the scene of a suicide-by-firearm.  I was just = north=20 of Sign of the Past IV, and stopped to check on a pickup truck to make = sure=20 everything was ok (saw driver slumped over).  She had put a .357 to = her=20 chin and 'took care of her problems' that way.  Just a warning to = everyone=20 out caching that it is something you might come across, as the despair = of people=20 increases due to the holidays and they look for places/ways to = solve the=20 problems.  As the Forest Ranger I spoke with said, they want to be = found,=20 so it isn't typically going to be in a terribly remote location.  = Her truck=20 was parked about 30' from the road on a 4x4 pullout. 
 
I hope nobody else comes across = anything like this,=20 because it is certainly a vivid memory. 
 
Brian
Team A.I.
------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C3B837.2B0229E0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 2 02:13:25 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:13:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's THAT season Message-ID: <20031201181326.17518.h014.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> I agree. I'm going to be sure to be in such a remote place that I won't be found. Trisha On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:15:58 -0700, "Brian Casteel" wrote: Well, during my Geocaching adventures today, I happened upon the scene of a suicide-by-firearm.  I was just north of Sign of the Past IV, and stopped to check on a pickup truck to make sure everything was ok (saw driver slumped over).  She had put a .357 to her chin and 'took care of her problems' that way.  Just a warning to everyone out caching that it is something you might come across, as the despair of people increases due to the holidays and they look for places/ways to solve the problems.  As the Forest Ranger I spoke with said, they want to be found, so it isn't typically going to be in a terribly remote location.  Her truck was parked about 30' from the road on a 4x4 pullout.    I hope nobody else comes across anything like this, because it is certainly a vivid memory.    Brian Team A.I. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 2 03:19:43 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jerry Nelson) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:19:43 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's THAT season References: <003001c3b871$d7a16640$4102a8c0@fbidaemon> Message-ID: <006401c3b883$23906cc0$40276a44@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C3B848.7521A080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeez, Brian, what an experience. Not the caching story I wanted to hear = tonight. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brian Casteel=20 To: AZ Geocaching=20 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:15 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's THAT season Well, during my Geocaching adventures today, I happened upon the scene = of a suicide-by-firearm. I was just north of Sign of the Past IV, and = stopped to check on a pickup truck to make sure everything was ok (saw = driver slumped over). She had put a .357 to her chin and 'took care of = her problems' that way. Just a warning to everyone out caching that it = is something you might come across, as the despair of people increases = due to the holidays and they look for places/ways to solve the problems. = As the Forest Ranger I spoke with said, they want to be found, so it = isn't typically going to be in a terribly remote location. Her truck = was parked about 30' from the road on a 4x4 pullout. =20 I hope nobody else comes across anything like this, because it is = certainly a vivid memory. =20 Brian Team A.I. ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C3B848.7521A080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jeez, Brian, what an experience. =  Not the=20 caching story I wanted to hear tonight.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Brian = Casteel=20
To: AZ = Geocaching
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 = 6:15=20 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's = THAT=20 season

Well, during my Geocaching adventures = today,=20 I happened upon the scene of a suicide-by-firearm.  I was = just north=20 of Sign of the Past IV, and stopped to check on a pickup truck to make = sure=20 everything was ok (saw driver slumped over).  She had put a .357 = to her=20 chin and 'took care of her problems' that way.  Just a warning to = everyone out caching that it is something you might come across, as = the=20 despair of people increases due to the holidays and they look for = places/ways to solve the problems.  As the Forest Ranger I spoke = with=20 said, they want to be found, so it isn't typically going to be in a = terribly=20 remote location.  Her truck was parked about 30' from the road on = a 4x4=20 pullout. 
 
I hope nobody else comes across = anything like=20 this, because it is certainly a vivid memory. 
 
Brian
Team = A.I.
------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C3B848.7521A080-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 2 06:56:18 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 22:56:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's THAT season In-Reply-To: <003001c3b871$d7a16640$4102a8c0@fbidaemon> Message-ID: <20031202065618.14382.qmail@web14810.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1496099070-1070348178=:10361 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How tragic, Just these past 2 weeks alone I have encountered several people who want to kill themselves, something I never encountered before (yes most of them were prevented). Very sad world today. Brian, I hope and pray you recover soon from the experience. Brian Casteel wrote: Well, during my Geocaching adventures today, I happened upon the scene of a suicide-by-firearm. I was just north of Sign of the Past IV, and stopped to check on a pickup truck to make sure everything was ok (saw driver slumped over). She had put a .357 to her chin and 'took care of her problems' that way. Just a warning to everyone out caching that it is something you might come across, as the despair of people increases due to the holidays and they look for places/ways to solve the problems. As the Forest Ranger I spoke with said, they want to be found, so it isn't typically going to be in a terribly remote location. Her truck was parked about 30' from the road on a 4x4 pullout. I hope nobody else comes across anything like this, because it is certainly a vivid memory. Brian Team A.I. Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now --0-1496099070-1070348178=:10361 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
How tragic,
 
Just these past 2 weeks alone I have encountered several people who want to kill themselves, something I never encountered before (yes most of them were prevented). Very sad world today. Brian, I hope and pray you recover soon from the experience.

Brian Casteel <bcasteel1@cox.net> wrote:
Well, during my Geocaching adventures today, I happened upon the scene of a suicide-by-firearm.  I was just north of Sign of the Past IV, and stopped to check on a pickup truck to make sure everything was ok (saw driver slumped over).  She had put a .357 to her chin and 'took care of her problems' that way.  Just a warning to everyone out caching that it is something you might come across, as the despair of people increases due to the holidays and they look for places/ways to solve the problems.  As the Forest Ranger I spoke with said, they want to be found, so it isn't typically going to be in a terribly remote location.  Her truck was parked about 30' from the road on a 4x4 pullout. 
 
I hope nobody else comes across anything like this, because it is certainly a vivid memory. 
 
Brian
Team A.I.


Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking
 
Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

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Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now --0-1496099070-1070348178=:10361-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 2 19:36:36 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Sparks) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:36:36 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season Message-ID: <3FCCE9C4.3040706@mchsi.com> Brian, What a bummer! I hope I never encounter something like that. Your story makes my (untold) story of how I slowed down for a mule deer last week only to see it hit by an oblivious driver in car coming in the opposite direction seem like a picnic. Trish, I hope you'll at least post the coordinates beforehand so some of us can at least ''search'' for you. :-) As much as I hate to admit it, I too have become affected by the holiday seasons in recent years. I don't get depressed though; what I feel is anger and rage. Primarily at those who have turned what should be a joyous celebration into a commercial venture and at those who are brainwashed and buy into the hype (or should I say tripe.) And you know who you are... but then again... maybe you don't. :-) If you see me with a .357, it won't be aimed at myself. :-D -- Sprocket From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 2 19:57:22 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (J H/TEAM 360) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:57:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season In-Reply-To: <3FCCE9C4.3040706@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20031202195722.84019.qmail@web60206.mail.yahoo.com> --0-760606022-1070395042=:82810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sprocket I really hope that you are not threatening anyone. You don't seem like that kind of person. This is nothing but trouble for the listserve. For my own situation, I can only say that should my attorney find any harassing messages were sent to me through a workplace computer (and it is ALL public record, btw), their employer would be liable for harassment litigation. Clear enough? I don't know what I did to get on this particular persons bad side, but he sure as hell seems to have it in for me. Think I am playing? You've got a lot to lose. I am also unsubscribing from azgeocaching.com, this service is not doing anyone any favors by sending out stories of suicide or allowing harassment or death threats to be sent out over it. Brian, What a bummer! I hope I never encounter something like that. Your story makes my (untold) story of how I slowed down for a mule deer last week only to see it hit by an oblivious driver in car coming in the opposite direction seem like a picnic. Trish, I hope you'll at least post the coordinates beforehand so some of us can at least ''search'' for you. :-) As much as I hate to admit it, I too have become affected by the holiday seasons in recent years. I don't get depressed though; what I feel is anger and rage. Primarily at those who have turned what should be a joyous celebration into a commercial venture and at those who are brainwashed and buy into the hype (or should I say tripe.) And you know who you are... but then again... maybe you don't. :-) If you see me with a .357, it won't be aimed at myself. :-D -- Sprocket ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now --0-760606022-1070395042=:82810 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Sprocket I really hope that you are not threatening anyone. You don't seem like that kind of person. This is nothing but trouble for the listserve. For my own situation, I can only say that should my attorney find any harassing messages were sent to me through a workplace computer (and it is ALL public record, btw), their employer would be liable for harassment litigation. Clear enough? I don't know what I did to get on this particular persons bad side, but he sure as hell seems to have it in for me. Think I am playing? You've got a lot to lose. I am also unsubscribing from azgeocaching.com, this service is not doing anyone any favors by sending out stories of suicide or allowing harassment or death threats to be sent out over it.
 
Brian,
What a bummer! I hope I never encounter something like that. Your
story makes my (untold) story of how I slowed down for a mule deer last
week only to see it hit by an oblivious driver in car coming in the
opposite direction seem like a picnic.

Trish,
I hope you'll at least post the coordinates beforehand so some of us
can at least ''search'' for you. :-)

As much as I hate to admit it, I too have become affected by the holiday
seasons in recent years. I don't get depressed though; what I feel is
anger and rage. Primarily at those who have turned what should be a
joyous celebration into a commercial venture and at those who are
brainwashed and buy into the hype (or should I say tripe.) And you know
who you are... but then again... maybe you don't. :-) If you see me
with a .357, it won't be aimed at myself. :-D
-- Sprocket

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Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now --0-760606022-1070395042=:82810-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 2 20:10:17 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:10:17 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season References: <3FCCE9C4.3040706@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <02fc01c3b910$4fe181a0$319c4094@BILLPC> This is an interesting philosophy. You make a joking (I hope) threat to shoot people because they don't choose to celebrate the holidays in a fashion you find (politically?) correct. Too bad. I am sorry you feel that way. How sad for you. I love the holiday season. Thanksgiving is great, but Christmas is even better. I like them on several levels, and my joy during the season is not affected by how others choose to celebrate or not. For some people, Christmas is an excuse to shop, and for the retailers, the joy may be in the profits they make. Fine. How does that hurt me? It doesn't. I am not affected by how you choose to celebrate (as long as you don't celebrate by drinking and driving). Buy all you want, commercialize all you want -- I don't care. Have fun in your own way. The winter celebration was an excuse for a party long before Christ. For some it is a religious celebration, while for others it's just an excuse to buy the grandkids or the spouse, or whoever far more gifts than they need. Well, it's not my money. Let them spend all they want. Why does someone have to be "brainwashed" just because their idea of fun is different than yours? There is no right or wrong way to celebrate the many holidays that show up this time of year. I hope all of you here on this list have a wonderful holiday season. Please celebrate it however you like. Go to church if the spirit moves you. Buy presents if you like. Pig out a couple of times if you want to. Make some resolutions for the new year just so you can have fun breaking them. Set up an electric train under your tree, assuming you have one, and play for a while. You don't have to be a kid to play with trains. Best of all, if you can, watch some child open all those commercial presents on Christmas morning (or Kwanza or Chanukah). Now that's joy! Merry Christmas! Bill in Willcox ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Sparks" > > As much as I hate to admit it, I too have become affected by the holiday > seasons in recent years. I don't get depressed though; what I feel is > anger and rage. Primarily at those who have turned what should be a > joyous celebration into a commercial venture and at those who are > brainwashed and buy into the hype (or should I say tripe.) And you know > who you are... but then again... maybe you don't. :-) If you see me > with a .357, it won't be aimed at myself. :-D From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 2 20:21:24 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jerry Nelson) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:21:24 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets Message-ID: <008f01c3b911$ddb95880$40276a44@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C3B8D7.2F522D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The listserv has been amazingly quiet lately. Here's a question I'll = toss out in an effort to stimulate some conversation. If you've been caching for awhile there is probably at least one cache = you tried to find several times without success. You REALLY wanted it = but it eluded you. Others have found it. It now may be archived and = you'll have to live with your failure forever. One that comes to mind = for me is Ya Skala. What is yours? Any takers? Jerry Offtrail ------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C3B8D7.2F522D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The listserv has been amazingly quiet = lately.=20 Here's a question I'll toss out in an effort to stimulate some=20 conversation.
 
If you've been caching for awhile there = is probably=20 at least one cache you tried to find several times without = success.  You=20 REALLY wanted it but it eluded you. Others have found it.  It = now may=20 be archived and you'll have to live with your failure forever.  One = that=20 comes to mind for me is Ya Skala.  What is yours?
 
Any takers?
 
Jerry
Offtrail
------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C3B8D7.2F522D60-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 2 20:24:15 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:24:15 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season In-Reply-To: <02fc01c3b910$4fe181a0$319c4094@BILLPC> References: <3FCCE9C4.3040706@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031202132134.02721e88@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 01:10 PM 12/2/2003 -0700, you wrote: >I love the holiday season. Thanksgiving is great, but Christmas is even >better. I like them >on several levels, and my joy during the season is not affected by how >others choose to >celebrate or not. For some people, Christmas is an excuse to shop, and >for the retailers, the I used to love the holiday season, but those days are long since gone. For me I think it is not having my family around on the holidays, and not being able to afford to travel to be with them. I come from a pretty close family that always did holidays and birthdays together. I didn't appreciate it when I still lived there, but now that I have been away for 15 years I really miss it. For a number of years Ann's family lived here in Tucson and that helped a lot, but they have all moved away and it is just the two of us now. To me, the holidays have just become another day, nothing better, nothing worse. I don't get depressed about them, but I don't see them as being anything special any longer either. Scott scott@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 2 20:27:03 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Andrew Ayre) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:27:03 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets In-Reply-To: <008f01c3b911$ddb95880$40276a44@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3B8D7.F9671E30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Scary" The coords on the top of the page were wrong. When they finally were corrected I had once opportunity before the forest fire swept through to go and find it, but I was so tired from hiding another cache that I just drove past it and went home. Ah well. Anyone know if it is still up there, burnt to a crisp? Andy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Nelson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:21 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets The listserv has been amazingly quiet lately. Here's a question I'll toss out in an effort to stimulate some conversation. If you've been caching for awhile there is probably at least one cache you tried to find several times without success. You REALLY wanted it but it eluded you. Others have found it. It now may be archived and you'll have to live with your failure forever. One that comes to mind for me is Ya Skala. What is yours? Any takers? Jerry Offtrail ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3B8D7.F9671E30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"Scary"
 
The=20 coords on the top of the page were wrong. When they finally were = corrected I had=20 once opportunity before the forest fire swept through to go = and find=20 it, but I was so tired from hiding another cache that I just drove = past it=20 and went home. Ah well. Anyone know if it is still up there, burnt to a=20 crisp?
 
Andy
 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: = az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of = Jerry=20 Nelson
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:21 PM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache=20 Regrets

The listserv has been amazingly quiet = lately.=20 Here's a question I'll toss out in an effort to stimulate some=20 conversation.
 
If you've been caching for awhile = there is=20 probably at least one cache you tried to find several times without=20 success.  You REALLY wanted it but it eluded you. Others = have found=20 it.  It now may be archived and you'll have to live with your = failure=20 forever.  One that comes to mind for me is Ya Skala.  What = is=20 yours?
 
Any takers?
 
Jerry
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------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3B8D7.F9671E30-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 2 20:27:38 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:27:38 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets In-Reply-To: <008f01c3b911$ddb95880$40276a44@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031202132455.02721560@mail.myblueheaven.com> --=====================_41469029==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:21 PM 12/2/2003 -0700, you wrote: >The listserv has been amazingly quiet lately. Here's a question I'll toss >out in an effort to stimulate some conversation. > >If you've been caching for awhile there is probably at least one cache you >tried to find several times without success. You REALLY wanted it but it >eluded you. Others have found it. It now may be archived and you'll have >to live with your failure forever. One that comes to mind for me is Ya >Skala. What is yours? > Not exactly that situation, but my biggest regret/anger has come from two deleted logs. Ironically enough one of them was for Ya Skala which we found and the cache owners decided to delete our log entry. The other was a deletion of a no find log for Harshaw Cache. Many people couldn't find it, and our hunt was very positive anyway as we met fellow cachers looking for it, the cache owner informed me that they didn't want any negative comments about their cache and insisted that the coordinates were right on. Since then the cache has been found and was over 100 feet away from the posted coordinates. I don't think that the cache owner has ever updated their page. If Harshaw does get archived before I get a chance to travel back down there, I will regret that. Scott scott@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com --=====================_41469029==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 01:21 PM 12/2/2003 -0700, you wrote:
The listserv has been amazingly quiet lately. Here's a question I'll toss out in an effort to stimulate some conversation.
 
If you've been caching for awhile there is probably at least one cache you tried to find several times without success.  You REALLY wanted it but it eluded you. Others have found it.  It now may be archived and you'll have to live with your failure forever.  One that comes to mind for me is Ya Skala.  What is yours?
 

Not exactly that situation, but my biggest regret/anger has come from two deleted logs.  Ironically enough one of them was for Ya Skala which we found and the cache owners decided to delete our log entry.  The other was a deletion of a no find log for Harshaw Cache.  Many people couldn't find it, and our hunt was very positive anyway as we met fellow cachers looking for it, the cache owner informed me that they didn't want any negative comments about their cache and insisted that the coordinates were right on.  Since then the cache has been found and was over 100 feet away from the posted coordinates.  I don't think that the cache owner has ever updated their page.  If Harshaw does get archived before I get a chance to travel back down there, I will regret that.

Scott

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--=====================_41469029==.ALT-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 2 20:30:46 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:30:46 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tucson event In-Reply-To: <008f01c3b911$ddb95880$40276a44@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031202132837.02721d00@mail.myblueheaven.com> I just wanted to remind everyone about the upcoming Tucson event cache. We always have a good time down here when we do these, and it looks like there will be a lot of new cachers at this one. I hope that some of you out of Tucson folks can make it down for it. http://tinyurl.com/xf2i The above link is good, the new format of geocaching.com is getting alittle out of control for link lengths. Scott scott@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 2 20:33:16 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:33:16 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets In-Reply-To: References: <008f01c3b911$ddb95880$40276a44@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031202133121.0272e718@mail.myblueheaven.com> --=====================_41613607==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:27 PM 12/2/2003 -0700, you wrote: >"Scary" > >The coords on the top of the page were wrong. When they finally were >corrected I had once opportunity before the forest fire swept through to >go and find it, but I was so tired from hiding another cache that I just >drove past it and went home. Ah well. Anyone know if it is still up there, >burnt to a crisp? > Wow, I completely forgot about that one. You are absolutely right. The day we did look for this one, we took a friend of ours with us who was right in the middle of chemo treatments for breast cancer and she had a great time sliding down the hill in the pine needles. After the coordinates were corrected we were up there but decided to not go after the cache as it was getting late in the day, the Bullock fire started a few days later and burnt the area. Scott scott@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com --=====================_41613607==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 01:27 PM 12/2/2003 -0700, you wrote:
"Scary"
 
The coords on the top of the page were wrong. When they finally were corrected I had once opportunity before the forest fire swept through to go and find it, but I was so tired from hiding another cache that I just drove past it and went home. Ah well. Anyone know if it is still up there, burnt to a crisp?
 

Wow, I completely forgot about that one.  You are absolutely right.  The day we did look for this one, we took a friend of ours with us who was right in the middle of chemo treatments for breast cancer and she had a great time sliding down the hill in the pine needles.  After the coordinates were corrected we were up there but decided to not go after the cache as it was getting late in the day, the Bullock fire started a few days later and burnt the area.



Scott

scott@myblueheaven.com
--=====================_41613607==.ALT-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 2 20:23:46 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Benjamin Dilcher) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:23:46 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season References: <3FCCE9C4.3040706@mchsi.com> <02fc01c3b910$4fe181a0$319c4094@BILLPC> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_038B_01C3B8D7.83A76150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well said Bill! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season This is an interesting philosophy. You make a joking (I hope) threat = to shoot people because they don't choose to celebrate the holidays in a fashion you find = (politically?) correct. Too bad. I am sorry you feel that way. How sad for you. I love the holiday season. Thanksgiving is great, but Christmas is = even better. I like them on several levels, and my joy during the season is not affected by how = others choose to celebrate or not. For some people, Christmas is an excuse to shop, = and for the retailers, the joy may be in the profits they make. Fine. How does that hurt me? = It doesn't. I am not affected by how you choose to celebrate (as long as you don't = celebrate by drinking and driving). Buy all you want, commercialize all you want -- I don't = care. Have fun in your own way. The winter celebration was an excuse for a party long before Christ. = For some it is a religious celebration, while for others it's just an excuse to buy the = grandkids or the spouse, or whoever far more gifts than they need. Well, it's not my money. = Let them spend all they want. Why does someone have to be "brainwashed" just because their idea of = fun is different than yours? There is no right or wrong way to celebrate the many holidays = that show up this time of year. I hope all of you here on this list have a wonderful holiday season. = Please celebrate it however you like. Go to church if the spirit moves you. Buy presents = if you like. Pig out a couple of times if you want to. Make some resolutions for the new = year just so you can have fun breaking them. Set up an electric train under your tree, assuming = you have one, and play for a while. You don't have to be a kid to play with trains. Best of = all, if you can, watch some child open all those commercial presents on Christmas morning (or = Kwanza or Chanukah). Now that's joy! Merry Christmas! Bill in Willcox ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Scott Sparks" > > As much as I hate to admit it, I too have become affected by the = holiday > seasons in recent years. I don't get depressed though; what I feel = is > anger and rage. Primarily at those who have turned what should be a > joyous celebration into a commercial venture and at those who are > brainwashed and buy into the hype (or should I say tripe.) And you = know > who you are... but then again... maybe you don't. :-) If you see = me > with a .357, it won't be aimed at myself. :-D ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_038B_01C3B8D7.83A76150 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well said Bill!
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, = 2003 1:10=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = RE: It's=20 THAT season

This is an interesting philosophy.  You make a = joking (I=20 hope) threat to shoot people because
they don't choose to celebrate = the=20 holidays in a fashion you find (politically?) correct.  = Too
bad. =20 I am sorry you feel that way.  How sad for you.

I love the = holiday=20 season.  Thanksgiving is great, but Christmas is even = better.  I=20 like them
on several levels, and my joy during the season is not = affected=20 by how others choose to
celebrate or not.  For some people, = Christmas=20 is an excuse to shop, and for the retailers, the
joy may be in the = profits=20 they make.  Fine.  How does that hurt me?  It = doesn't.  I=20 am not
affected by how you choose to celebrate (as long as you = don't=20 celebrate by drinking and
driving).  Buy all you want, = commercialize=20 all you want -- I don't care.  Have fun in your = own
way.

The=20 winter celebration was an excuse for a party long before Christ.  = For=20 some it is a
religious celebration, while for others it's just an = excuse to=20 buy the grandkids or the spouse,
or whoever far more gifts than = they=20 need.  Well, it's not my money.  Let them spend all=20 they
want.

Why does someone have to be "brainwashed" just = because=20 their idea of fun is different than
yours?  There is no right = or wrong=20 way to celebrate the many holidays that show up this time = of
year.

I=20 hope all of you here on this list have a wonderful holiday = season. =20 Please celebrate it
however you like.  Go to church if the = spirit=20 moves you.  Buy presents if you like.  Pig out a
couple = of times=20 if you want to.  Make some resolutions for the new year just so = you can=20 have
fun breaking them.  Set up an electric train under your = tree,=20 assuming you have one, and play
for a while.  You don't have = to be a=20 kid to play with trains.  Best of all, if you can, watch
some = child=20 open all those commercial presents on Christmas morning (or Kwanza or=20 Chanukah).
Now that's joy!  Merry Christmas!

Bill in=20 Willcox

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Sparks" = <scottsparks1@mchsi.com>
= >
>=20 As much as I hate to admit it, I too have become affected by the=20 holiday
> seasons in recent years.  I don't get depressed = though;=20 what I feel is
> anger and rage. Primarily at those who have = turned what=20 should be a
> joyous celebration into a commercial venture and = at those=20 who are
> brainwashed and buy into the hype (or should I say = tripe.) And=20 you know
> who you are... but then again... maybe you don't.=20 :-)   If you see me
> with a .357, it won't be aimed = at=20 myself.=20 = :-D


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------=_NextPart_000_038B_01C3B8D7.83A76150-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 2 20:37:30 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:37:30 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Communications In-Reply-To: <008f01c3b911$ddb95880$40276a44@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031202133613.027203a8@mail.myblueheaven.com> Since it looks like most interest has been lost in the azgeocaching chat room again, I thought that I would ask what everyone uses for instant messengers? I tend to use Yahoo IM most of the time. If anyone is interested, my Yahoo ID is "scottsfj40" without the "'s of course. Scott scott@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 2 21:16:54 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:16:54 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Off subject stuff Message-ID: Hey, we can also discuss off topic stuff on the azgeocaching.com chat room! I am in there right now and ready to talk about anything that is not geocaching :) LOL Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Is there a gadget-lover on your gift list? MSN Shopping has lined up some good bets! http://shopping.msn.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 2 21:22:19 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Larry H) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:22:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Off subject stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031202212219.85986.qmail@web40203.mail.yahoo.com> We sure can't discuss such things on the Geocaching Forums, might as well do it somewhere! --- RopingThe Wind wrote: > > Hey, we can also discuss off topic stuff on the > azgeocaching.com chat room! > I am in there right now and ready to talk about > anything that is not > geocaching :) LOL > > Scott > Team Ropingthewind ===== FriarED _______________________________________ Isn't having a smoking section in a restaurant like having a peeing section in a swimming pool? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 2 21:27:19 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (HighwayHavoc) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:27:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets In-Reply-To: <008f01c3b911$ddb95880$40276a44@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <20031202212719.56170.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> Fremont Saddle, without a doubt! I had been asked to accompany a handful of Boy Scouts as a second adult leader and was told we were heading to the Peraltas, where I had not been before. With this information in hand, I naturally looked up the nearest caches and explained to the group what geocaching was all about. The boys were psyched about the game, but unfortunately the day of our hike was the very day the rangers pulled the caches out of that area. We were certain we had found the right spot, yet there was no cache to be found. I felt like an idiot for leading the boys on like that until I returned home and found out what had happened from the web page. Heck! Mark A. Pedersen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 2 21:49:31 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill Tomlinson) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:49:31 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets In-Reply-To: <20031202212719.56170.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003401c3b91e$2b8f39b0$6401a8c0@qwest.net> I was at Fremont Saddle with my Boy Scouts a year before that, before I discovered geocaching. It was frustrating to learn how close I had been and not even known it. Oddly enough, the same weekend you were up at Fremont Saddle, I had my Boy Scouts over at Reavis Ranch. Same story here. I had them all psyched up for the hunt (event the other leaders). None had done and caching before and all were excited. Before searching for the cache, we too a little side hike up one of the ridge lines. When we returned, one of the boys that had stayed in camp told us about this nice ranger that had stopped by and chatted. We went on our search and found nothing, of course. It wasn't until later that we learned why the ranger was actually at Reavis. Bill Tomlinson CacheLess -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of HighwayHavoc Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 2:27 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets Fremont Saddle, without a doubt! I had been asked to accompany a handful of Boy Scouts as a second adult leader and was told we were heading to the Peraltas, where I had not been before. With this information in hand, I naturally looked up the nearest caches and explained to the group what geocaching was all about. The boys were psyched about the game, but unfortunately the day of our hike was the very day the rangers pulled the caches out of that area. We were certain we had found the right spot, yet there was no cache to be found. I felt like an idiot for leading the boys on like that until I returned home and found out what had happened from the web page. Heck! Mark A. Pedersen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 2 22:21:14 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Sparks) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 15:21:14 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season - Corrections! Message-ID: <3FCD105A.7080001@mchsi.com> Just a minute, people. I never threatened anybody and had no intentions of doing so. (Perhaps the smilies I included in my message didn''t show up on everyone's mail reader.) I simply implied that I would never consider killing myself. And as for the Christmas blues, it ain't about the shopping. I shop and buy gifts for my friends and family. What irritates me are the people that think it's more important to get that last cabbage patch doll for their spoiled kid or to snag that perfect parking spot than it is to be courteous to their fellow man with a simple smile and a hello, thank-you or please or to give another driver the right-of-way at an intersection. I have nothing against Christmas-- I love Christmas. It's the ''dog-eat-dog'' attitude that people adopt during this time that really gets under my skin. A professor I once had summed it up well with an old adage: ''It's not the ups and downs in life that get to you. It's the little jerks.'' -- Sprocket From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 2 22:26:09 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Sparks) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 15:26:09 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: Cache regrets Message-ID: <3FCD1181.5050109@mchsi.com> For me, it's Tortilla Flat, the original version. -- Team Sprocket The listserv has been amazingly quiet lately. Here's a question I'll = toss out in an effort to stimulate some conversation. If you've been caching for awhile there is probably at least one cache = you tried to find several times without success. You REALLY wanted it = but it eluded you. Others have found it. It now may be archived and = you'll have to live with your failure forever. One that comes to mind = for me is Ya Skala. What is yours? Any takers? From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 2 22:16:21 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Andrew Ayre) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:16:21 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season - Corrections! In-Reply-To: <3FCD105A.7080001@mchsi.com> Message-ID: In Tucson people fail to give the right-of-way at intersections 365 days a year... Andy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Scott Sparks Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 3:21 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season - Corrections! Just a minute, people. I never threatened anybody and had no intentions of doing so. (Perhaps the smilies I included in my message didn''t show up on everyone's mail reader.) I simply implied that I would never consider killing myself. And as for the Christmas blues, it ain't about the shopping. I shop and buy gifts for my friends and family. What irritates me are the people that think it's more important to get that last cabbage patch doll for their spoiled kid or to snag that perfect parking spot than it is to be courteous to their fellow man with a simple smile and a hello, thank-you or please or to give another driver the right-of-way at an intersection. I have nothing against Christmas-- I love Christmas. It's the ''dog-eat-dog'' attitude that people adopt during this time that really gets under my skin. A professor I once had summed it up well with an old adage: ''It's not the ups and downs in life that get to you. It's the little jerks.'' -- Sprocket ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 2 22:32:06 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:32:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets In-Reply-To: <008f01c3b911$ddb95880$40276a44@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <20031202223206.18173.qmail@web14810.mail.yahoo.com> --0-23982295-1070404326=:17234 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Arrowhead Menace, it tends to be in repair or missing everytime we try for it. It was one of the first ones we were looking for, so the determination to find it is strong Jerry Nelson wrote:The listserv has been amazingly quiet lately. Here's a question I'll toss out in an effort to stimulate some conversation. If you've been caching for awhile there is probably at least one cache you tried to find several times without success. You REALLY wanted it but it eluded you. Others have found it. It now may be archived and you'll have to live with your failure forever. One that comes to mind for me is Ya Skala. What is yours? Any takers? Jerry Offtrail Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now --0-23982295-1070404326=:17234 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Arrowhead Menace, it tends to be in repair or missing everytime we try for it. It was one of the first ones we were looking for, so the determination to find it is strong

Jerry Nelson <peakbagger2@cox.net> wrote:
The listserv has been amazingly quiet lately. Here's a question I'll toss out in an effort to stimulate some conversation.
 
If you've been caching for awhile there is probably at least one cache you tried to find several times without success.  You REALLY wanted it but it eluded you. Others have found it.  It now may be archived and you'll have to live with your failure forever.  One that comes to mind for me is Ya Skala.  What is yours?
 
Any takers?
 
Jerry
Offtrail


Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking
 
Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

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Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now --0-23982295-1070404326=:17234-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Dec 3 02:06:01 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:06:01 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20031202133121.0272e718@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <003901c3b941$ffcddc40$1c01a8c0@connie> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C3B907.536F0440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That must be one amazing lady to go through all of that and then "enjoy" sliding down that steep hillside. My knees were shaking so bad from fright being on those slippery pine needles. We never did find the cache, even after 3 hours of searching and having another team come looking for it while we were there also. --Connie Team "Wyle E" -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Scott Wood Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:33 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets At 01:27 PM 12/2/2003 -0700, you wrote: "Scary" The coords on the top of the page were wrong. When they finally were corrected I had once opportunity before the forest fire swept through to go and find it, but I was so tired from hiding another cache that I just drove past it and went home. Ah well. Anyone know if it is still up there, burnt to a crisp? Wow, I completely forgot about that one. You are absolutely right. The day we did look for this one, we took a friend of ours with us who was right in the middle of chemo treatments for breast cancer and she had a great time sliding down the hill in the pine needles. After the coordinates were corrected we were up there but decided to not go after the cache as it was getting late in the day, the Bullock fire started a few days later and burnt the area. Scott scott@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C3B907.536F0440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That=20 must be one amazing lady to go through all of that and then "enjoy" = sliding down=20 that steep hillside. My knees were shaking so bad from fright being on = those=20 slippery pine needles.
We=20 never did find the cache, even after 3 hours of searching and having = another=20 team come looking for it while we were there = also.
--Connie
Team=20 "Wyle E"
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf = Of=20 Scott Wood
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:33 = PM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Cache = Regrets

At 01:27 PM 12/2/2003 -0700, you = wrote:
"Scary"
 
The=20 coords on the top of the page were wrong. When they finally were = corrected I=20 had once opportunity before the forest fire swept through to go and = find it,=20 but I was so tired from hiding another cache that I just drove past = it and=20 went home. Ah well. Anyone know if it is still up there, burnt to a=20 crisp?
 

Wow,=20 I completely forgot about that one.  You are absolutely = right.  The=20 day we did look for this one, we took a friend of ours with us who was = right=20 in the middle of chemo treatments for breast cancer and she had a = great time=20 sliding down the hill in the pine needles.  After the coordinates = were=20 corrected we were up there but decided to not go after the cache as it = was=20 getting late in the day, the Bullock fire started a few days later and = burnt=20 the area.



Scott

scott@myblueheaven.com
------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C3B907.536F0440-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Dec 3 02:12:05 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Andrew Ayre) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:12:05 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets In-Reply-To: <003901c3b941$ffcddc40$1c01a8c0@connie> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C3B908.2C74E0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I slid down it once and didn't enjoy it, but I'm a wuss. :) BTW it was my brother in law and myself who came along while you were searching. Andy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of connie.farquhar@cox.net Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 7:06 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets That must be one amazing lady to go through all of that and then "enjoy" sliding down that steep hillside. My knees were shaking so bad from fright being on those slippery pine needles. We never did find the cache, even after 3 hours of searching and having another team come looking for it while we were there also. --Connie Team "Wyle E" -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Scott Wood Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:33 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets At 01:27 PM 12/2/2003 -0700, you wrote: "Scary" The coords on the top of the page were wrong. When they finally were corrected I had once opportunity before the forest fire swept through to go and find it, but I was so tired from hiding another cache that I just drove past it and went home. Ah well. Anyone know if it is still up there, burnt to a crisp? Wow, I completely forgot about that one. You are absolutely right. The day we did look for this one, we took a friend of ours with us who was right in the middle of chemo treatments for breast cancer and she had a great time sliding down the hill in the pine needles. After the coordinates were corrected we were up there but decided to not go after the cache as it was getting late in the day, the Bullock fire started a few days later and burnt the area. Scott scott@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C3B908.2C74E0C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I slid=20 down it once and didn't enjoy it, but I'm a wuss. :) BTW it was my = brother=20 in law and myself who came along while you were = searching.
 

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of=20 connie.farquhar@cox.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 = 7:06=20 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE:=20 [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets

That=20 must be one amazing lady to go through all of that and then "enjoy" = sliding=20 down that steep hillside. My knees were shaking so bad from fright = being on=20 those slippery pine needles.
We=20 never did find the cache, even after 3 hours of searching and having = another=20 team come looking for it while we were there = also.
--Connie
Team=20 "Wyle E"
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf = Of=20 Scott Wood
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:33 = PM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = Cache=20 Regrets

At 01:27 PM 12/2/2003 -0700, you = wrote:
"Scary"
 
The coords on the top of the page were wrong. When they = finally=20 were corrected I had once opportunity before the forest fire swept = through=20 to go and find it, but I was so tired from hiding another cache = that I=20 just drove past it and went home. Ah well. Anyone know if it is = still up=20 there, burnt to a crisp?
 

Wow, I completely forgot about that one.  = You are=20 absolutely right.  The day we did look for this one, we took a = friend=20 of ours with us who was right in the middle of chemo treatments for = breast=20 cancer and she had a great time sliding down the hill in the pine=20 needles.  After the coordinates were corrected we were up there = but=20 decided to not go after the cache as it was getting late in the day, = the=20 Bullock fire started a few days later and burnt the = area.



Scott

scott@myblueheaven.com
------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C3B908.2C74E0C0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Dec 3 02:51:38 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Carol King) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 19:51:38 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Unfound Caches Message-ID: <3FCD4FBA.6030808@qwest.net> Two come to mind, one is By Design by Wily Javelina(still active) and the other is that newspaper one down by the University of Arizona(not active), can't recall the name, but I looked for it at least three times, and evryone else found it, including my friend Team Critter. Frustrating, but part of the game. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Dec 3 03:27:03 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Akerman) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:27:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Caches that have eluded me or are eluding me: Ya Skala and EDGE OF INSANITY Message-ID: <20031203032703.23425.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1405663533-1070422023=:21624 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Offtrail wrote: If you've been caching for awhile there is probably at least one cache you tried to find several times without success. You REALLY wanted it but it eluded you. Others have found it. It now may be archived and you'll have to live with your failure forever. One that comes to mind for me is Ya Skala. What is yours? I agree with this one. Ya Skala is one cache that I spent a lot of time searching for, but I never found it. It was found by some geocachers, broken and in the trash, so Team Marlinspike disabled the cache, but they never replaced it. I wish Team Marlinspike had replaced this cache. What has happened to this team? They haven't found any caches in a long time. Another cache that I am having a lot of trouble with now is EDGE OF INSANITY. I completely don't understand where this one is. I can't even find the clue - where is that? If you don't like the holiday season, then think of its positive aspects from a geocaching point of view - you likely have more days off, so you have more time to find geocaches. Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) --0-1405663533-1070422023=:21624 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Offtrail wrote:
 
If you've been caching for awhile there is probably at least one cache you tried to find several times without success.  You REALLY wanted it but it eluded you. Others have found it.  It now may be archived and you'll have to live with your failure forever.  One that comes to mind for me is Ya Skala.  What is yours?
 
I agree with this one.  Ya Skala is one cache that I spent a lot of time searching for, but I never found it.  It was found by some geocachers, broken and in the trash, so Team Marlinspike disabled the cache, but they never replaced it.  I wish Team Marlinspike had replaced this cache.  What has happened to this team?  They haven't found any caches in a long time.
 
Another cache that I am having a lot of trouble with now is EDGE OF INSANITY.  I completely don't understand where this one is.  I can't even find the clue - where is that?
 
If you don't like the holiday season, then think of its positive aspects from a geocaching point of view - you likely have more days off, so you have more time to find geocaches.
 
Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer)
--0-1405663533-1070422023=:21624-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Dec 3 03:32:36 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Akerman) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 19:32:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Attempted searches for caches removed by rangers from Superstition Wilderness Message-ID: <20031203033236.63468.qmail@web21101.mail.yahoo.com> --0-404902683-1070422356=:58279 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii CacheLess wrote: Before searching for the cache, we took a little side hike up one of the ridge lines. When we returned, one of the boys that had stayed in camp told us about this nice ranger that had stopped by and chatted. If the boys had known what the ranger had done with the cache, they wouldn't have thought that he was very nice . Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) --0-404902683-1070422356=:58279 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
CacheLess wrote:
 
Before searching for the cache, we took a little side hike up one of the ridge lines.  When we returned, one of the boys that had stayed in camp told us about this nice ranger that had stopped by and chatted.
 
If the boys had known what the ranger had done with the cache, they wouldn't have thought that he was very nice .
 
Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer)
--0-404902683-1070422356=:58279-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Dec 3 03:55:09 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Loran Wilcox) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 22:55:09 -0500 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets References: <008f01c3b911$ddb95880$40276a44@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <006e01c3b951$4136b620$0500a8c0@one> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C3B927.563FF100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For me it is Camelback Cache = http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3D{16A592C2-52D1-4= 707-BDA8-11A213D83B34}. Went after this one in August and it was 110 by = the time I gave up. I still have it on my watch list even though it has = been archived. The only bright spot was that no one ever did find it. Team Sand Dollar ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jerry Nelson=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 3:21 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets The listserv has been amazingly quiet lately. Here's a question I'll = toss out in an effort to stimulate some conversation. If you've been caching for awhile there is probably at least one cache = you tried to find several times without success. You REALLY wanted it = but it eluded you. Others have found it. It now may be archived and = you'll have to live with your failure forever. One that comes to mind = for me is Ya Skala. What is yours? Any takers? Jerry Offtrail ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C3B927.563FF100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For me it is Camelback Cache http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detai= ls.aspx?guid=3D{16A592C2-52D1-4707-BDA8-11A213D83B34}. =20 Went after this one in August and it was 110 by the time I gave = up.  I=20 still have it on my watch list even though it has been archived.  = The only=20 bright spot was that no one ever did find it.
 
Team Sand Dollar
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jerry=20 Nelson
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, = 2003 3:21=20 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache=20 Regrets

The listserv has been amazingly quiet = lately.=20 Here's a question I'll toss out in an effort to stimulate some=20 conversation.
 
If you've been caching for awhile = there is=20 probably at least one cache you tried to find several times without=20 success.  You REALLY wanted it but it eluded you. Others = have found=20 it.  It now may be archived and you'll have to live with your = failure=20 forever.  One that comes to mind for me is Ya Skala.  What = is=20 yours?
 
Any takers?
 
Jerry
Offtrail
------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C3B927.563FF100-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Dec 3 05:30:37 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Sparks) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 22:30:37 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: Cache Regrets Message-ID: <3FCD74FD.9010905@mchsi.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010407040402080105080204 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another one that gave me heartburn was Buena Vista de las Montanas. My wife and I went out looking for it four days after it was posted. I walked nearly a mile cross-country to the coordinates but found nothing there. We did a few other caches in the nearby mountains and ended up taking a picnic near Reavis Trailhead where we spent about an hour relaxing and enjoying the sights, sounds and smells. When I returned home I re-read the description and became convinced that the description didn't match the location. The described elevation was about 1500 feet off and it was certainly a much farther walk than 100 feet described. I notified the owner that his coords had to be wrong and provided the evidence I had. He insisted they were correct. I asserted that they couldn't possibly be correct. He again swore that they were. Finally, he saw that they were in error and he posted the correct coordinates. They coordinates turned out to be just a few hundred feet from where my wife and I had our little picnic that day. We missed out on a first find and we haven't been back to the area since. -- Sprocket --------------010407040402080105080204 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another one that gave me heartburn was Buena Vista de las Montanas. My wife and I went out looking for it four days after it was posted.  I walked  nearly a mile cross-country to the coordinates but found nothing there.  We did a few other caches  in  the nearby mountains and ended up  taking a picnic near Reavis Trailhead where we spent about an hour relaxing and enjoying the sights, sounds and smells.  When I returned home I re-read the description and became convinced that the description didn't match the location. The described elevation was about 1500 feet off and it was certainly a much farther walk than 100 feet described.  I notified the owner that his coords had to be wrong and provided the evidence I had.  He insisted they were correct.  I  asserted that they couldn't possibly be correct.  He again swore that they were.  Finally, he saw that they were in error and he posted the correct coordinates.  They coordinates turned out to be just a few hundred feet from where my wife and I had our little picnic that day.  We missed out on a first find and we haven't been back to the area since.

-- Sprocket --------------010407040402080105080204-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Dec 3 07:25:25 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 00:25:25 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season References: <3FCCE9C4.3040706@mchsi.com> <02fc01c3b910$4fe181a0$319c4094@BILLPC> Message-ID: <002501c3b96e$9eab8d90$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C3B933.F23276D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree. It was well said.=20 Christmas the last few years has been tough. After the downsizing in = 2001, money wasn't as free-flowing as it used to be, and the value of a = dollar became all the more prominent in my mind. We didn't focus on = gifts much, or made the few we exchanged all the more special. In fact, = the holidays were more about tradition, a reality I didn't really have, = because my parents just wanted to divy up the loot, get it opened, clean = up and play with the new stuff. My wife's family did much more. The = breakfast was a big deal, with champagne and orange juice, with a = turnover for the main course. Everyone was made to feel special, and = the gifts were great, but reflected so much more. When the in-laws moved away, we had to start our own traditions, and = while it isn't the same, it's the beginning of our legacy. Due to my = job, I only get to have OJ on Christmas unless I am fortunate and have = the day off. But each year we've begun buying the kids each an ornament = and look to further enlarge our winter electricity bill with the = addition of some new lights. There are other things we do now, but the = point is really that our focus has become our family. I'm finally out = of that holiday mental slump, and I'm looking forward to a good = Christmas. Last year, I gave up my family traditions so my wife and = kids could spend the holidays with all of her family in Montana (job = kept me here). While I understand and respect why she wanted to go, I'm = not allowing it again. Christmas alone sucks. So whatever your situation, put your family first during the holidays. = Unlike everything else you can charge at Best Buy, Nordstrom or through = GMAC finance, your family is not expendable. If you lose one of them, = it isn't as simple as going down to the store and picking up another. = It seems like so many things have been put in my path the last few weeks = that the value of family is being pounded into my head with a = sledgehammer. The timing is more than coincidental. If you don't have traditions, start. If you practice them, keep doing = so, or maybe start a few more. There will come a day when you'll look = back and relish, as well as miss those moments when you had the people = who mean the most, around to enjoy them. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Benjamin Dilcher=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season Well said Bill! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season This is an interesting philosophy. You make a joking (I hope) = threat to shoot people because they don't choose to celebrate the holidays in a fashion you find = (politically?) correct. Too bad. I am sorry you feel that way. How sad for you. I love the holiday season. Thanksgiving is great, but Christmas is = even better. I like them on several levels, and my joy during the season is not affected by = how others choose to celebrate or not. For some people, Christmas is an excuse to shop, = and for the retailers, the joy may be in the profits they make. Fine. How does that hurt me? = It doesn't. I am not affected by how you choose to celebrate (as long as you don't = celebrate by drinking and driving). Buy all you want, commercialize all you want -- I don't = care. Have fun in your own way. The winter celebration was an excuse for a party long before Christ. = For some it is a religious celebration, while for others it's just an excuse to buy = the grandkids or the spouse, or whoever far more gifts than they need. Well, it's not my money. = Let them spend all they want. Why does someone have to be "brainwashed" just because their idea of = fun is different than yours? There is no right or wrong way to celebrate the many = holidays that show up this time of year. I hope all of you here on this list have a wonderful holiday season. = Please celebrate it however you like. Go to church if the spirit moves you. Buy = presents if you like. Pig out a couple of times if you want to. Make some resolutions for the new = year just so you can have fun breaking them. Set up an electric train under your tree, = assuming you have one, and play for a while. You don't have to be a kid to play with trains. Best = of all, if you can, watch some child open all those commercial presents on Christmas morning = (or Kwanza or Chanukah). Now that's joy! Merry Christmas! Bill in Willcox ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Scott Sparks" > > As much as I hate to admit it, I too have become affected by the = holiday > seasons in recent years. I don't get depressed though; what I = feel is > anger and rage. Primarily at those who have turned what should be = a > joyous celebration into a commercial venture and at those who are > brainwashed and buy into the hype (or should I say tripe.) And you = know > who you are... but then again... maybe you don't. :-) If you see = me > with a .357, it won't be aimed at myself. :-D ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C3B933.F23276D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I agree.  It was well said.
 
Christmas the last few years has been = tough.  After=20 the downsizing in 2001, money wasn't as free-flowing as it used to be, = and the=20 value of a dollar became all the more prominent in my mind.  We = didn't=20 focus on gifts much, or made the few we exchanged all the more = special.  In=20 fact, the holidays were more about tradition, a reality I didn't really = have,=20 because my parents just wanted to divy up the loot, get it opened, clean = up and=20 play with the new stuff.  My wife's family did much more.  The = breakfast was a big deal, with champagne and orange juice, with a = turnover for=20 the main course.  Everyone was made to feel special, and the gifts = were=20 great, but reflected so much more.
 
When the in-laws moved away, we had to start our = own=20 traditions, and while it isn't the same, it's the beginning of our = legacy. =20 Due to my job, I only get to have OJ on Christmas unless I am = fortunate and=20 have the day off.  But each year we've begun buying the kids each = an=20 ornament and look to further enlarge our winter electricity bill with = the=20 addition of some new lights.  There are other things we do now, but = the=20 point is really that our focus has become our family.  I'm finally = out of=20 that holiday mental slump, and I'm looking forward to a good = Christmas. =20 Last year, I gave up my family traditions so my wife and kids could = spend the=20 holidays with all of her family in Montana (job kept me here).  = While I=20 understand and respect why she wanted to go, I'm not allowing it = again. =20 Christmas alone sucks.
 
So whatever your situation, put your family = first during=20 the holidays.  Unlike everything else you can charge at Best Buy, = Nordstrom=20 or through GMAC finance, your family is not expendable.  If you = lose one of=20 them, it isn't as simple as going down to the store and picking up=20 another.  It seems like so many things have been put in my path the = last=20 few weeks that the value of family is being pounded into my head with a=20 sledgehammer.  The timing is more than coincidental.
 
If you don't have traditions, start.  If = you practice=20 them, keep doing so, or maybe start a few more.  There will come a = day when=20 you'll look back and relish, as well as miss those moments when you had = the=20 people who mean the most, around to enjoy them.
 
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Benjamin=20 Dilcher
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, = 2003 1:23=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = RE: It's=20 THAT season

Well said Bill!
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, = 2003 1:10=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = RE: It's=20 THAT season

This is an interesting philosophy.  You make a = joking (I=20 hope) threat to shoot people because
they don't choose to = celebrate the=20 holidays in a fashion you find (politically?) correct. =20 Too
bad.  I am sorry you feel that way.  How sad for=20 you.

I love the holiday season.  Thanksgiving is great, = but=20 Christmas is even better.  I like them
on several levels, = and my joy=20 during the season is not affected by how others choose = to
celebrate or=20 not.  For some people, Christmas is an excuse to shop, and for = the=20 retailers, the
joy may be in the profits they make.  = Fine.  How=20 does that hurt me?  It doesn't.  I am not
affected by = how you=20 choose to celebrate (as long as you don't celebrate by drinking=20 and
driving).  Buy all you want, commercialize all you want = -- I=20 don't care.  Have fun in your own
way.

The winter = celebration=20 was an excuse for a party long before Christ.  For some it is=20 a
religious celebration, while for others it's just an excuse to = buy the=20 grandkids or the spouse,
or whoever far more gifts than they = need. =20 Well, it's not my money.  Let them spend all = they
want.

Why=20 does someone have to be "brainwashed" just because their idea of fun = is=20 different than
yours?  There is no right or wrong way to = celebrate=20 the many holidays that show up this time of
year.

I hope = all of=20 you here on this list have a wonderful holiday season.  Please=20 celebrate it
however you like.  Go to church if the spirit = moves=20 you.  Buy presents if you like.  Pig out a
couple of = times if=20 you want to.  Make some resolutions for the new year just so = you can=20 have
fun breaking them.  Set up an electric train under your = tree,=20 assuming you have one, and play
for a while.  You don't have = to be a=20 kid to play with trains.  Best of all, if you can, = watch
some child=20 open all those commercial presents on Christmas morning (or Kwanza = or=20 Chanukah).
Now that's joy!  Merry Christmas!

Bill in=20 Willcox

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Sparks" = <scottsparks1@mchsi.com>
= >
>=20 As much as I hate to admit it, I too have become affected by the=20 holiday
> seasons in recent years.  I don't get depressed = though;=20 what I feel is
> anger and rage. Primarily at those who have = turned=20 what should be a
> joyous celebration into a commercial = venture and at=20 those who are
> brainwashed and buy into the hype (or should I = say=20 tripe.) And you know
> who you are... but then again... maybe = you=20 don't. :-)   If you see me
> with a .357, it won't = be aimed=20 at myself.=20 = :-D


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------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C3B933.F23276D0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Dec 3 07:30:39 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 00:30:39 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season - Corrections! References: <3FCD105A.7080001@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <003b01c3b96f$59d69790$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> You must have read the story about the woman who was knocked unconscious and trampled on for a $29 DVD player. She wasn't pushing, but was knocked to the ground by some jerk(s) who thought $5 was worth more than a person's safety. I saw something a few years ago that could have been that exact situation at a Walmart not far from where I used to work. Sure, I wanted to grab some of the deals, but wouldn't charge anyone for that benefit. The gaggle of women who gathered just opposite the doors, ignoring the 500 standing in LINE literally charged the store and knocked people down in the process. Clearly seeing that injury wasn't worth a few bucks, I waited patiently with the other people, made my way in the store and casually meandered through until I found everything I came for, and some things I didn't. That was the first and only Black Friday shopping I'll ever do. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Sparks" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 3:21 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season - Corrections! > Just a minute, people. > > I never threatened anybody and had no intentions of doing so. (Perhaps > the smilies I included in my message didn''t show up on everyone's mail > reader.) I simply implied that I would never consider killing myself. > And as for the Christmas blues, it ain't about the shopping. I shop > and buy gifts for my friends and family. What irritates me are the > people that think it's more important to get that last cabbage patch > doll for their spoiled kid or to snag that perfect parking spot than it > is to be courteous to their fellow man with a simple smile and a hello, > thank-you or please or to give another driver the right-of-way at an > intersection. I have nothing against Christmas-- I love Christmas. > It's the ''dog-eat-dog'' attitude that people adopt during this time > that really gets under my skin. > > A professor I once had summed it up well with an old adage: > > ''It's not the ups and downs in life that get to you. It's the little > jerks.'' > > -- Sprocket > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Dec 3 07:33:16 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 00:33:16 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets References: <008f01c3b911$ddb95880$40276a44@ph.cox.net> <006e01c3b951$4136b620$0500a8c0@one> Message-ID: <006201c3b96f$b7470860$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C3B935.0ACBA7B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sand Dollar! Glad to see you're still around and in the fray. BTW, I = still have 2 of your Sand Dollars sitting right here next to me. They = are my most cherished trade items. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Loran Wilcox=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets For me it is Camelback Cache = http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3D{16A592C2-52D1-4= 707-BDA8-11A213D83B34}. Went after this one in August and it was 110 by = the time I gave up. I still have it on my watch list even though it has = been archived. The only bright spot was that no one ever did find it. Team Sand Dollar ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jerry Nelson=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 3:21 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets The listserv has been amazingly quiet lately. Here's a question I'll = toss out in an effort to stimulate some conversation. If you've been caching for awhile there is probably at least one = cache you tried to find several times without success. You REALLY = wanted it but it eluded you. Others have found it. It now may be = archived and you'll have to live with your failure forever. One that = comes to mind for me is Ya Skala. What is yours? Any takers? Jerry Offtrail ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C3B935.0ACBA7B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sand Dollar!  Glad to see you're = still around=20 and in the fray.  BTW, I still have 2 of your Sand Dollars sitting = right=20 here next to me.  They are my most cherished trade = items.
 
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Loran Wilcox
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, = 2003 8:55=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = Cache=20 Regrets

For me it is Camelback Cache http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detai= ls.aspx?guid=3D{16A592C2-52D1-4707-BDA8-11A213D83B34}. =20 Went after this one in August and it was 110 by the time I gave = up.  I=20 still have it on my watch list even though it has been archived.  = The=20 only bright spot was that no one ever did find it.
 
Team Sand Dollar
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jerry=20 Nelson
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, = 2003 3:21=20 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] = Cache=20 Regrets

The listserv has been amazingly = quiet lately.=20 Here's a question I'll toss out in an effort to stimulate some=20 conversation.
 
If you've been caching for awhile = there is=20 probably at least one cache you tried to find several times without=20 success.  You REALLY wanted it but it eluded you. Others = have=20 found it.  It now may be archived and you'll have to live with = your=20 failure forever.  One that comes to mind for me is Ya = Skala.  What=20 is yours?
 
Any takers?
 
Jerry
Offtrail
------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C3B935.0ACBA7B0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Dec 3 08:46:46 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 00:46:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Christmas tradition Message-ID: <20031203084646.57760.qmail@web14804.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1972864762-1070441206=:56261 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My husband and I have a few holiday traditions of our own. One of them is going to zoo lights. By focusing on some "family" activities, we are able to compensate for the commercialism of Christmas. We are also born agains, so Christmas has more meaning to us besides the presents and the tree. Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now --0-1972864762-1070441206=:56261 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
My husband and I have  a few holiday traditions of our own. One of them is going to zoo lights. By focusing on some "family" activities, we are able to compensate for the commercialism of Christmas. We are also born agains, so Christmas has more meaning to us besides the presents and the tree.


Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking
 
Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

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Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now --0-1972864762-1070441206=:56261-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Dec 3 09:19:23 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Randy Kinkel) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 02:19:23 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season - Corrections! References: <3FCD105A.7080001@mchsi.com> <003b01c3b96f$59d69790$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> Message-ID: <000401c3b97e$8aa9af60$6401a8c0@ph.cox.net> I sympathize with Sprocket! a couple of years ago, Nancy and I looked at each other just as we were about to start the Holiday rush and said, "what if we just didn't do ANYTHING this year? No lights, no tree, no gifts? what would that be like? would we care? We found out we didn't! we also found out we were much less stressed than before, didn't spend a lot of money that we didn't have, and didn't face possible injury getting lights off the roof. It works for us, but we don't have kids (except the furry kind), and I know that definitely makes a difference, most people couldn't do it because of that. --mozartman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Casteel" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season - Corrections! > You must have read the story about the woman who was knocked unconscious and > trampled on for a $29 DVD player. She wasn't pushing, but was knocked to > the ground by some jerk(s) who thought $5 was worth more than a person's > safety. I saw something a few years ago that could have been that exact > situation at a Walmart not far from where I used to work. Sure, I wanted to > grab some of the deals, but wouldn't charge anyone for that benefit. The > gaggle of women who gathered just opposite the doors, ignoring the 500 > standing in LINE literally charged the store and knocked people down in the > process. Clearly seeing that injury wasn't worth a few bucks, I waited > patiently with the other people, made my way in the store and casually > meandered through until I found everything I came for, and some things I > didn't. That was the first and only Black Friday shopping I'll ever do. > > Brian > Team A.I. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Sparks" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 3:21 PM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season - Corrections! > > > > Just a minute, people. > > > > I never threatened anybody and had no intentions of doing so. (Perhaps > > the smilies I included in my message didn''t show up on everyone's mail > > reader.) I simply implied that I would never consider killing myself. > > And as for the Christmas blues, it ain't about the shopping. I shop > > and buy gifts for my friends and family. What irritates me are the > > people that think it's more important to get that last cabbage patch > > doll for their spoiled kid or to snag that perfect parking spot than it > > is to be courteous to their fellow man with a simple smile and a hello, > > thank-you or please or to give another driver the right-of-way at an > > intersection. I have nothing against Christmas-- I love Christmas. > > It's the ''dog-eat-dog'' attitude that people adopt during this time > > that really gets under my skin. > > > > A professor I once had summed it up well with an old adage: > > > > ''It's not the ups and downs in life that get to you. It's the little > > jerks.'' > > > > -- Sprocket > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Dec 3 15:55:39 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:55:39 EST Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season Message-ID: -------------------------------1070466939 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe I'm the only one with a sense of humor, but i just don't feel the need to forward this to my lawyer... Or perhaps I've spent too much time playing Postal. Hmmm... In a message dated 12/2/2003 12:29:35 PM US Mountain Standard Time, scottsparks1@mchsi.com writes: As much as I hate to admit it, I too have become affected by the holiday seasons in recent years. I don't get depressed though; what I feel is anger and rage. Primarily at those who have turned what should be a joyous celebration into a commercial venture and at those who are brainwashed and buy into the hype (or should I say tripe.) And you know who you are... but then again... maybe you don't. :-) If you see me with a .357, it won't be aimed at myself. :-D -- Sprocket -------------------------------1070466939 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As much as I hate to admit it, I too have beco= me affected by the holiday
seasons in recent years.  I don't get de= pressed though; what I feel is
anger and rage. Primarily at those who ha= ve turned what should be a
joyous celebration into a commercial venture=20= and at those who are
brainwashed and buy into the hype (or should I say=20= tripe.) And you know
who you are... but then again... maybe you don't. := -)   If you see me
with a .357, it won't be aimed at myself. := -D

-- Sprocket
-------------------------------1070466939-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Dec 3 16:11:56 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Koch, Dan) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:11:56 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Unfound Caches Message-ID: Heh heh heh...the 'newspaper one down by the University of Arizona' was mine (Pocket Change). I'll be in Tucson on Saturday for the event. I'll replace it for the day if you want... :) LazyK - Dan -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Carol King Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 7:52 PM To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Unfound Caches Two come to mind, one is By Design by Wily Javelina(still active) and the other is that newspaper one down by the University of Arizona(not active), can't recall the name, but I looked for it at least three times, and evryone else found it, including my friend Team Critter. Frustrating, but part of the game. ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Dec 3 16:35:38 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Larry H) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:35:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Caches that have eluded me or are eluding me: Ya Skala and EDGE OF INSANITY In-Reply-To: <20031203032703.23425.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031203163538.33033.qmail@web40203.mail.yahoo.com> --- Ken Akerman wrote: > Another cache that I am having a lot of trouble with > now is EDGE OF INSANITY. I completely don't > understand where this one is. I can't even find the > clue - where is that? I'd tell you, but then I'd have to kill you ;) ===== FriarED _______________________________________ Isn't having a smoking section in a restaurant like having a peeing section in a swimming pool? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Dec 3 17:20:57 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:20:57 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C3B987.24216E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gale, RE: Arrowhead Menace =20 http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=3D32062 =20 I'm sorry about Arrowhead Menace (GC7D3E). I had to temporarily disable = it due to landscaping problems and damage to the container. Because of i= ts size, the cache could easily be seen from a distance. I have been goi= ng back on occasion and checking the area, but wasn't comfortable about l= eaving it. I do plan on stopping by again in about a week. If I'm still= not comfortable leaving the cache, I may decide to temporarily change th= e container to fit the current surroundings. Rand (RandMan) =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 3:34 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets Arrowhead Menace, it tends to be in repair or missing everytime we try fo= r it. It was one of the first ones we were looking for, so the determinat= ion to find it is strong. Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C3B987.24216E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gale,
 
RE: Arrowhead Menace
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I'm sorry about Arrowhead Menace (GC7D3E).&nb= sp; I had to temporarily disable it due to landscaping problems = and damage to the container.  Because of its size, the cache&nb= sp;could easily be seen from a distance.  I have been going bac= k on occasion and checking the area, but wasn't comfortable about le= aving it.  I do plan on stopping by again in about a week.&nb= sp; If I'm still not comfortable leaving the cache, I may decide to tempo= rarily change the container to fit the current surroundings.
&= nbsp;
Rand (RandMan)   
 
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gale
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 3:34 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets
 <= /DIV>
Arrowhead Menace, it tends to be in repair or missing everytim= e we try for it. It was one of the first ones we were looking for, so the= determination to find it is strong.
 
Tsegi M= ike and Desert Viking
------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C3B987.24216E00-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Dec 3 18:10:41 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:10:41 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: Cache regrets Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C3B98E.170E17C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: TORTILLA FLAT (GCG2EW) I too was disappointed that the original version of TORTILLA FLAT was cha= nged. I wanted to go back and find the new version, but unfortunately th= e cache has been archived. I think it would be great if the original ver= sion was reactivated. Even the concept in a new location would be fun an= d challenging to those who do not already know how and where the cache wa= s hidden. There's one thing about TEAM 360's hides ... he does know how to make the= m fun and challenging! ;) Rand (RandMan) ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Sparks Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 7:18 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: Cache regrets For me, it's Tortilla Flat, the original version. -- Team Sprocket ........................................................................= ............................................ The listserv has been amazingly quiet lately. Here's a question I'll toss= out in an effort to stimulate some conversation. If you've been caching for awhile there is probably at least one cache yo= u tried to find several times without success. You REALLY wanted it but = it eluded you. Others have found it. It now may be archived and you'll h= ave to live with your failure forever. One that comes to mind for me is = Ya Skala. What is yours? Any takers? ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C3B98E.170E17C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
RE: TO= RTILLA FLAT (GCG2EW)
 
I too was disa= ppointed that the original version of TORTILLA FLAT was = changed.  I wanted to go back and find the new version, but unfortun= ately the cache has been archived.  I think it would be great if the= original version was reactivated.  Even the concept in a new locati= on would be fun and challenging to those who do not already know how= and where the cache was hidden.
 
There'= s one thing about TEAM 360's hides ... he does know how to make them fun = and challenging!  ;)
&n= bsp;
Rand (RandMan)
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Spar= ks
Sent: Tuesday, D= ecember 02, 2003 7:18 PM
To:= listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subje= ct: [Az-Geocaching] RE: Cache regrets
 

For = me, it's Tortilla Flat, the original version.

-- = Team Sprocket

...........................= ........................................................................= .................
The listserv has been amazingly quiet late= ly. Here's a question I'll toss out in an effort to stimulate some c= onversation.

If you've been caching for awhile there is probably a= t least one cache you tried to find several times without success.  = You REALLY wanted it but it eluded you. Others have found it.  It no= w may be archived and you'll have to live with your failure forever. = ; One that comes to mind for me is Ya Skala.  What is yours?

= Any takers?


------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C3B98E.170E17C0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Dec 3 22:18:33 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:18:33 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season - Corrections! In-Reply-To: <000401c3b97e$8aa9af60$6401a8c0@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <000e01c3b9eb$63ac5f80$1c01a8c0@connie> Has anyone read John Grisham's novel "Skipping Christmas"? Very funny book. It sounded very tempting to do the same, but with semi-grown children still at home, it still isn't the time for us(me), (as Larry would strongly disagree :) ). --Connie Team "Wyle E" > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Randy > Kinkel > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 2:19 AM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season - Corrections! > > > I sympathize with Sprocket! a couple of years ago, Nancy and I > looked at each other just as we were about to start the Holiday > rush and said, "what if we just didn't do ANYTHING this year? No > lights, no tree, no gifts? what would that be like? would we > care? > We found out we didn't! we also found out we were much less > stressed than before, didn't spend a lot of money that we didn't > have, and didn't face possible injury getting lights off the > roof. > It works for us, but we don't have kids (except the furry kind), > and I know that definitely makes a difference, most people > couldn't do it because of that. > > --mozartman > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Casteel" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:30 AM > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season - Corrections! > > > > You must have read the story about the woman who was knocked > unconscious and > > trampled on for a $29 DVD player. She wasn't pushing, but was > knocked to > > the ground by some jerk(s) who thought $5 was worth more than a > person's > > safety. I saw something a few years ago that could have been > that exact > > situation at a Walmart not far from where I used to work. > Sure, I wanted to > > grab some of the deals, but wouldn't charge anyone for that > benefit. The > > gaggle of women who gathered just opposite the doors, ignoring > the 500 > > standing in LINE literally charged the store and knocked people > down in the > > process. Clearly seeing that injury wasn't worth a few bucks, > I waited > > patiently with the other people, made my way in the store and > casually > > meandered through until I found everything I came for, and some > things I > > didn't. That was the first and only Black Friday shopping I'll > ever do. > > > > Brian > > Team A.I. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Scott Sparks" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 3:21 PM > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season - Corrections! > > > > > > > Just a minute, people. > > > > > > I never threatened anybody and had no intentions of doing > so. (Perhaps > > > the smilies I included in my message didn''t show up on > everyone's mail > > > reader.) I simply implied that I would never consider killing > myself. > > > And as for the Christmas blues, it ain't about the shopping. > I shop > > > and buy gifts for my friends and family. What irritates me > are the > > > people that think it's more important to get that last > cabbage patch > > > doll for their spoiled kid or to snag that perfect parking > spot than it > > > is to be courteous to their fellow man with a simple smile > and a hello, > > > thank-you or please or to give another driver the > right-of-way at an > > > intersection. I have nothing against Christmas-- I love > Christmas. > > > It's the ''dog-eat-dog'' attitude that people adopt during > this time > > > that really gets under my skin. > > > > > > A professor I once had summed it up well with an old adage: > > > > > > ''It's not the ups and downs in life that get to you. It's > the little > > > jerks.'' > > > > > > -- Sprocket > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Dec 3 22:47:09 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (General Bracket) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:47:09 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season References: Message-ID: <003901c3b9ef$627eb820$6401a8c0@terry9fe3hpa3o> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C3B9B4.B5F3A000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable By my standards, nearly everyone is too sensitive. But I'm sure most = would agree that at least SOME people are too sensitive. I'm rather = proud to have a deep twisted sense of humor. I thought Spockets comments were funny. But... being the true American = that I am, I feel obligated to call my lawyer and get the ball rolling = on some good ol' fashion litigation . On the other hand, I myself can point out at least five people everyday = of the year that I'd like to shoot. I'd never want to kill anyone as = that's not nice, but a good wounding would be great therapy (for both me = and the woundie). (There's gotta be someone here offended by THAT!) -T. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: TeamDaSH@aol.com=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season Maybe I'm the only one with a sense of humor, but i just don't feel = the need to forward this to my lawyer... Or perhaps I've spent too much = time playing Postal. Hmmm... In a message dated 12/2/2003 12:29:35 PM US Mountain Standard Time, = scottsparks1@mchsi.com writes: As much as I hate to admit it, I too have become affected by the = holiday=20 seasons in recent years. I don't get depressed though; what I feel = is=20 anger and rage. Primarily at those who have turned what should be a=20 joyous celebration into a commercial venture and at those who are=20 brainwashed and buy into the hype (or should I say tripe.) And you = know=20 who you are... but then again... maybe you don't. :-) If you see = me=20 with a .357, it won't be aimed at myself. :-D -- Sprocket ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C3B9B4.B5F3A000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
By my standards, nearly everyone is too = sensitive.  But=20 I'm sure most would agree that at least SOME people are too = sensitive.  I'm=20 rather proud to have a deep twisted sense of humor.
 
I thought Spockets comments were funny.  = But...=20 being the true American that I am, I feel obligated to call my lawyer = and get=20 the ball rolling on some good ol' fashion litigation <rubbing hands=20 together>.
 
On the other hand, I myself can point out at least = five people=20 everyday of the year that I'd like to shoot.  I'd never want to = kill anyone=20 as that's not nice, but a good wounding would be great therapy (for both = me and=20 the woundie).
 
(There's gotta be someone here offended by = THAT!)
 
 
-T.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 TeamDaSH@aol.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, = 2003 8:55=20 AM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = RE: It's=20 THAT season

Maybe I'm the only one with a sense = of humor,=20 but i just don't feel the need to forward this to my lawyer...  = Or=20 perhaps I've spent too much time playing Postal.  = Hmmm...
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 12/2/2003 12:29:35 PM US Mountain Standard = Time, scottsparks1@mchsi.com = writes:
As much as I hate to admit it, I too have become = affected by the=20 holiday
seasons in recent years.  I don't get depressed = though;=20 what I feel is
anger and rage. Primarily at those who have = turned what=20 should be a
joyous celebration into a commercial venture and at = those=20 who are
brainwashed and buy into the hype (or should I say = tripe.) And=20 you know
who you are... but then again... maybe you don't.=20 :-)   If you see me
with a .357, it won't be aimed at = myself.=20 :-D

-- Sprocket
------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C3B9B4.B5F3A000-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Dec 3 22:57:09 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:57:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031203225709.90630.qmail@web14811.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1200560249-1070492229=:90436 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thank you Rand, we have not had a lot of time for geocaching in the last 2 months, but hope to get back into it again soon. Thank you for letting me know....if it should be archived, please put me out of my misery and tell me what the container was like. We've missed geocaching and seeing some of you on the trail or at events. RAND HARDIN wrote:Gale, RE: Arrowhead Menace http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=32062 I'm sorry about Arrowhead Menace (GC7D3E). I had to temporarily disable it due to landscaping problems and damage to the container. Because of its size, the cache could easily be seen from a distance. I have been going back on occasion and checking the area, but wasn't comfortable about leaving it. I do plan on stopping by again in about a week. If I'm still not comfortable leaving the cache, I may decide to temporarily change the container to fit the current surroundings. Rand (RandMan) ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 3:34 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets Arrowhead Menace, it tends to be in repair or missing everytime we try for it. It was one of the first ones we were looking for, so the determination to find it is strong. Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now --0-1200560249-1070492229=:90436 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Thank you Rand, we have not had a lot of time for geocaching in the last 2 months, but hope to get back into it again soon. Thank you for letting me know....if it should be archived, please put me out of my misery and tell me what the container was like. We've missed geocaching and seeing some of you on the trail or at events.

RAND HARDIN <RHrdn8@msn.com> wrote:
Gale,
 
RE: Arrowhead Menace
 
I'm sorry about Arrowhead Menace (GC7D3E).  I had to temporarily disable it due to landscaping problems and damage to the container.  Because of its size, the cache could easily be seen from a distance.  I have been going back on occasion and checking the area, but wasn't comfortable about leaving it.  I do plan on stopping by again in about a week.  If I'm still not comfortable leaving the cache, I may decide to temporarily change the container to fit the current surroundings.
 
Rand (RandMan)   
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Gale
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 3:34 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets
 
Arrowhead Menace, it tends to be in repair or missing everytime we try for it. It was one of the first ones we were looking for, so the determination to find it is strong.
 
Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking

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Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now --0-1200560249-1070492229=:90436-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Dec 3 23:06:00 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:06:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season In-Reply-To: <003901c3b9ef$627eb820$6401a8c0@terry9fe3hpa3o> Message-ID: <20031203230600.70632.qmail@web14801.mail.yahoo.com> --0-880554740-1070492760=:69869 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well Im not offended, but I am saddened by the callousness of the words. Four years ago, a family member was kidnapped and shot twice in the head by a low life vermin. Three years ago, Mike's cousin was shot an killed by a drug addict who flipped out and killed her in her sheep pasture. Joking about shooting or wounding someone is rather insensitive to the growing number of people whose lives are forever changed by violent crime. But feel free to continue with your jokes. America is a great country and we have great freedoms to speak out as we wish. Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now --0-880554740-1070492760=:69869 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii


Well Im not offended, but I am saddened by the callousness of the words. Four years ago, a family member was kidnapped and shot twice in the head by a low life vermin. Three years ago, Mike's cousin was shot an killed by a drug addict who flipped out and killed her in her sheep pasture. Joking about shooting or wounding someone is rather insensitive to the growing number of people whose lives are forever changed by violent crime. But feel free to continue with your jokes. America is a great country and we have great freedoms to speak out as we wish.


Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking
 
Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

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Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now --0-880554740-1070492760=:69869-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 4 01:33:38 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:33:38 -0500 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season Message-ID: <20031204013347.PKFN28419.fed1mtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1070501618581_9CUGExF3wO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with Gale. But jokes about the use of firearms for anything (despite humorous intent) is something that shouldn't be done. In some cases, it can be strong evidence to support a belief that a person might not be responsible enough to be in possession of a weapon for fear that one of those comments might be acted upon. I'm not saying that Sprocket fits that profile, because I don't know him well enough to make such an accusation, nor would I do so in this type of venue. I would hope that if anything like this were to happen with anyone on the listserv, that enough maturity would be displayed by contacting the person directly instead of going out to the proverbial playground and handling it with everyone watching. But then again, everyone at some point is going to be offended by something, and even dead silence would be offensive to someoene who really likes to talk. Brian Team A.I. > > From: Gale > Date: 2003/12/03 Wed PM 06:06:00 EST > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season > > > > Well Im not offended, but I am saddened by the callousness of the words. Four years ago, a family member was kidnapped and shot twice in the head by a low life vermin. Three years ago, Mike's cousin was shot an killed by a drug addict who flipped out and killed her in her sheep pasture. Joking about shooting or wounding someone is rather insensitive to the growing number of people whose lives are forever changed by violent crime. But feel free to continue with your jokes. America is a great country and we have great freedoms to speak out as we wish. > > > Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking > > Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes > On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: > "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- > "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" > > > > Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > ------=____1070501618581_9CUGExF3wO Content-Type: text/html; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply"


Well Im not offended, but I am saddened by the callousness of the words. Four years ago, a family member was kidnapped and shot twice in the head by a low life vermin. Three years ago, Mike's cousin was shot an killed by a drug addict who flipped out and killed her in her sheep pasture. Joking about shooting or wounding someone is rather insensitive to the growing number of people whose lives are forever changed by violent crime. But feel free to continue with your jokes. America is a great country and we have great freedoms to speak out as we wish.


Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking
 
Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

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Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now ------=____1070501618581_9CUGExF3wO-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 4 02:20:30 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Cordell Harris) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:20:30 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season References: <20031204013347.PKFN28419.fed1mtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <028501c3ba0d$30d8c680$1902a8c0@Main> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0281_01C3B9D2.84075690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Brian....nice approach. We in Arizona are very fortunate to have a balanced attitude toward firearms and their application in the great outdoor. Have no grudge toward any I might encounter on the trails and if I happen to be packing, as is usual away from the urban areas, would hope all would remember that. Somehow I perceived the overstatements in the humorous light that I would hope they were intended. Sorry about the grim encounter couple days back. Christmas should be a joyous time...we owe it to the kids. I'm back to the sidelines! ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Casteel To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 6:33 PM Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season I agree with Gale. But jokes about the use of firearms for anything (despite humorous intent) is something that shouldn't be done. In some cases, it can be strong evidence to support a belief that a person might not be responsible enough to be in possession of a weapon for fear that one of those comments might be acted upon. I'm not saying that Sprocket fits that profile, because I don't know him well enough to make such an accusation, nor would I do so in this type of venue. I would hope that if anything like this were to happen with anyone on the listserv, that enough maturity would be displayed by contacting the person directly instead of going out to the proverbial playground and handling it with everyone watching. But then again, everyone at some point is going to be offended by something, and even dead silence would be offensive to someoene who really likes to talk. Brian Team A.I. > > From: Gale > Date: 2003/12/03 Wed PM 06:06:00 EST > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season > > > > Well Im not offended, but I am saddened by the callousness of the words. Four years ago, a family member was kidnapped and shot twice in the head by a low life vermin. Three years ago, Mike's cousin was shot an killed by a drug addict who flipped out and killed her in her sheep pasture. Joking about shooting or wounding someone is rather insensitive to the growing number of people whose lives are forever changed by violent crime. But feel free to continue with your jokes. America is a great country and we have great freedoms to speak out as we wish. > > > Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking > > Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes > On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: > "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- > "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" > > > > Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Well Im not offended, but I am saddened by the callousness of the words. Four years ago, a family member was kidnapped and shot twice in the head by a low life vermin. Three years ago, Mike's cousin was shot an killed by a drug addict who flipped out and killed her in her sheep pasture. Joking about shooting or wounding someone is rather insensitive to the growing number of people whose lives are forever changed by violent crime. But feel free to continue with your jokes. America is a great country and we have great freedoms to speak out as we wish. Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 11/29/2003 ------=_NextPart_000_0281_01C3B9D2.84075690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Brian....nice approach.  We in = Arizona are=20 very fortunate to have a balanced attitude toward firearms = and their=20 application in the great outdoor.  Have no grudge toward = any I=20 might encounter on the trails and if I happen to be packing, as is = usual=20 away from the urban areas, would hope all would remember that.  = Somehow I=20 perceived the overstatements in the humorous light that I would = hope they=20 were intended. 
 
Sorry about the grim encounter couple days = back. =20 Christmas should be a joyous time...we owe it to the = kids.  I'm=20 back to the sidelines!
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Brian = Casteel=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, = 2003 6:33=20 PM
Subject: Re: Re: = [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's=20 THAT season

I agree with Gale.  But jokes about the use of = firearms=20 for anything (despite humorous intent) is something that shouldn't be=20 done.  In some cases, it can be strong evidence to support a = belief that=20 a person might not be responsible enough to be in possession of a = weapon for=20 fear that one of those comments might be acted upon.

I'm not = saying=20 that Sprocket fits that profile, because I don't know him well enough = to make=20 such an accusation, nor would I do so in this type of venue.  I = would=20 hope that if anything like this were to happen with anyone on the = listserv,=20 that enough maturity would be displayed by contacting the person = directly=20 instead of going out to the proverbial playground and handling it with = everyone watching.

But then again, everyone at some point is = going to=20 be offended by something, and even dead silence would be offensive to = someoene=20 who really likes to talk.

Brian
Team A.I.


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> Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang = interminable changes
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> "Something hidden.  Go and find it. = Go and=20 look behind the Ranges --
>   "Something lost behind = the=20 Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
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Well Im not offended, but I am saddened by the = callousness of the=20 words. Four years ago, a family member was kidnapped and shot twice in = the=20 head by a low life vermin. Three years ago, Mike's cousin was shot an = killed=20 by a drug addict who flipped out and killed her in her sheep pasture. = Joking=20 about shooting or wounding someone is rather insensitive to the = growing number=20 of people whose lives are forever changed by violent crime. But feel = free to=20 continue with your jokes. America is a great country and we have great = freedoms to speak out as we wish.


Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking
 
Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang = interminable=20 changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- = so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the = Ranges=20 --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for = you.=20 Go!"
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0281_01C3B9D2.84075690-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 4 03:11:51 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 22:11:51 -0500 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season Message-ID: <20031204031149.VGGO8432.fed1mtao06.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1070507511560_MJd-?WZbQO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for the compliment. Brian Team A.I. > > From: "Cordell Harris" > Date: 2003/12/03 Wed PM 09:20:30 EST > To: > Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season > > Hello Brian....nice approach. We in Arizona are very fortunate to have a > balanced attitude toward firearms and their application in the great > outdoor. Have no grudge toward any I might encounter on the trails and if I > happen to be packing, as is usual away from the urban areas, would hope all > would remember that. Somehow I perceived the overstatements in the humorous > light that I would hope they were intended. > > Sorry about the grim encounter couple days back. Christmas should be a > joyous time...we owe it to the kids. I'm back to the sidelines! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brian Casteel > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 6:33 PM > Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season > > > I agree with Gale. But jokes about the use of firearms for anything > (despite humorous intent) is something that shouldn't be done. In some > cases, it can be strong evidence to support a belief that a person might not > be responsible enough to be in possession of a weapon for fear that one of > those comments might be acted upon. > > I'm not saying that Sprocket fits that profile, because I don't know him > well enough to make such an accusation, nor would I do so in this type of > venue. I would hope that if anything like this were to happen with anyone > on the listserv, that enough maturity would be displayed by contacting the > person directly instead of going out to the proverbial playground and > handling it with everyone watching. > > But then again, everyone at some point is going to be offended by > something, and even dead silence would be offensive to someoene who really > likes to talk. > > Brian > Team A.I. > > > > > > From: Gale > > Date: 2003/12/03 Wed PM 06:06:00 EST > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season > > > > > > > > Well Im not offended, but I am saddened by the callousness of the words. > Four years ago, a family member was kidnapped and shot twice in the head by > a low life vermin. Three years ago, Mike's cousin was shot an killed by a > drug addict who flipped out and killed her in her sheep pasture. Joking > about shooting or wounding someone is rather insensitive to the growing > number of people whose lives are forever changed by violent crime. But feel > free to continue with your jokes. America is a great country and we have > great freedoms to speak out as we wish. > > > > > > Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking > > > > Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes > > On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: > > "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- > > "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" > > > > > > > > Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > > > Well Im not offended, but I am saddened by the callousness of the words. > Four years ago, a family member was kidnapped and shot twice in the head by > a low life vermin. Three years ago, Mike's cousin was shot an killed by a > drug addict who flipped out and killed her in her sheep pasture. Joking > about shooting or wounding someone is rather insensitive to the growing > number of people whose lives are forever changed by violent crime. But feel > free to continue with your jokes. America is a great country and we have > great freedoms to speak out as we wish. > > > > Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking > > Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes > On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: > "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- > "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" > > Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 11/29/2003 > > ------=____1070507511560_MJd-?WZbQO Content-Type: text/html; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply"
Hello Brian....nice approach.  We in Arizona are very fortunate to have a balanced attitude toward firearms and their application in the great outdoor.  Have no grudge toward any I might encounter on the trails and if I happen to be packing, as is usual away from the urban areas, would hope all would remember that.  Somehow I perceived the overstatements in the humorous light that I would hope they were intended. 
 
Sorry about the grim encounter couple days back.  Christmas should be a joyous time...we owe it to the kids.  I'm back to the sidelines!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season

I agree with Gale.  But jokes about the use of firearms for anything (despite humorous intent) is something that shouldn't be done.  In some cases, it can be strong evidence to support a belief that a person might not be responsible enough to be in possession of a weapon for fear that one of those comments might be acted upon.

I'm not saying that Sprocket fits that profile, because I don't know him well enough to make such an accusation, nor would I do so in this type of venue.  I would hope that if anything like this were to happen with anyone on the listserv, that enough maturity would be displayed by contacting the person directly instead of going out to the proverbial playground and handling it with everyone watching.

But then again, everyone at some point is going to be offended by something, and even dead silence would be offensive to someoene who really likes to talk.

Brian
Team A.I.


>
> From: Gale <sonoralovesmommy@yahoo.com>
> Date: 2003/12/03 Wed PM 06:06:00 EST
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season
>
>
>
> Well Im not offended, but I am saddened by the callousness of the words. Four years ago, a family member was kidnapped and shot twice in the head by a low life vermin. Three years ago, Mike's cousin was shot an killed by a drug addict who flipped out and killed her in her sheep pasture. Joking about shooting or wounding someone is rather insensitive to the growing number of people whose lives are forever changed by violent crime. But feel free to continue with your jokes. America is a great country and we have great freedoms to speak out as we wish.
>
>
> Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking
> 
> Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
>   On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
> "Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
>   "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
>
> 
>
> Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898
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Well Im not offended, but I am saddened by the callousness of the words. Four years ago, a family member was kidnapped and shot twice in the head by a low life vermin. Three years ago, Mike's cousin was shot an killed by a drug addict who flipped out and killed her in her sheep pasture. Joking about shooting or wounding someone is rather insensitive to the growing number of people whose lives are forever changed by violent crime. But feel free to continue with your jokes. America is a great country and we have great freedoms to speak out as we wish.


Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking
 
Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
  On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden.  Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
  "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
 
Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer  1898

 

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------=____1070507511560_MJd-?WZbQO-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 4 02:44:30 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 19:44:30 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season In-Reply-To: <20031204013347.PKFN28419.fed1mtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox. net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031203194355.02731f90@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 08:33 PM 12/3/2003 -0500, you wrote: >I agree with Gale. But jokes about the use of firearms for anything >(despite humorous intent) is something that shouldn't be done. In some >cases, it can be strong evidence to support a belief that a person might >not be responsible enough to be in possession of a weapon for fear that >one of those comments might be acted upon. This is really starting to get out of control. No one ever got wet by saying he word WATER. Scott scott@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 4 03:27:51 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (General Bracket) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:27:51 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season References: <20031203230600.70632.qmail@web14801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000a01c3ba16$993d3cc0$6401a8c0@terry9fe3hpa3o> >But feel free to continue with your jokes. America is a great country and we have great freedoms to speak out as we wish. You make it sound as if I'm trying to prove a point or demonstrate a particular stance. I'm not. I have no real opinion on such things that I'm going to share. I was just trolling (and was successful apparently). Comments like mine don't really merit a response, but I knew someone would bite. ;-) -T. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 4 03:31:43 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (General Bracket) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:31:43 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season References: <5.2.1.1.2.20031203194355.02731f90@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <001d01c3ba17$234c1a30$6401a8c0@terry9fe3hpa3o> Scott Wood wrote: > This is really starting to get out of control. No one ever got wet by > saying he word WATER. Indeed. -T. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 4 04:01:14 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Benjamin Dilcher) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:01:14 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] State trust land and geocaching Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0359_01C3B9E0.96C7B870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Most probably already know this if you don't here you go Recreational Permitting Program Arizona State Trust lands are not public lands such as = National Parks or Federal Forests. Any use of State Trust land requires = a permit from the Arizona State Land Department with the following = exceptions: (1) a valid Arizona Fishing or Hunting License allows the = individual (only) to be on Trust land while actively and legally engaged = in the permitted activity; (2) certain archaeological activities = approved by the Arizona State Museum.=20 Recreation Permits are available for individual ($15), = family ($20), group-fewer than 20 for less that five days ($15) and a = nonprofit group-for specific event or one-year period ($50). These are = generally valid for one year from the date of purchase or approval.=20 Recreational permits allow noncommercial recreational = activities such as camping (fourteen-day limit), hiking, photography = horseback riding, picnics, bird watching, trail use, and others which = are not specifically excluded from designated parcels. Any activity that = is commercial in nature requires commercial leases or special land use = permits. =20 GEOCACHING - is allowed on Trust land with a valid = recreation permit. Use of cache locations must not result in damage to = the site or surrounding property, and must not be located in cultural = resource sites, riparian areas or near water catchment basins.=20 Activities not allowed include, but are not limited to, = target shooting, sighting in of weapons, paint ball, fireworks, extended = camping, visiting archaeological sites (historic and prehistoric), metal = detecting, removal of natural products (rocks, cactus wood, soil, and = plants, etc.) For additional information call (602) 364-ASLD (2753).=20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0359_01C3B9E0.96C7B870 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Arizona State Trust lands are=20 not public lands such as = National Parks=20 or Federal Forests. Any use of State Trust land requires a = permit=20 from the Arizona State Land Department with the following=20 exceptions: (1) a valid Arizona Fishing or Hunting License = allows=20 the individual (only) to be on Trust land while actively and = legally=20 engaged in the permitted activity; (2) certain = archaeological=20 activities approved by the Arizona State Museum.=20

Recreation Permits are available for individual ($15), = family=20 ($20), group-fewer than 20 for less that five days ($15) and = a=20 nonprofit group-for specific event or one-year period ($50). = These=20 are generally valid for one year from the date of purchase = or=20 approval.

Recreational permits allow noncommercial=20 recreational activities such as camping (fourteen-day = limit),=20 hiking, photography horseback riding, picnics, bird = watching, trail=20 use, and others which are not specifically excluded from = designated=20 parcels. Any activity that is commercial in nature = requires=20 commercial leases or special land use permits.  =

GEOCACHING - is allowed on Trust land with = a valid=20 recreation permit.  Use of cache locations must not = result in=20 damage to the site or surrounding property, and must not be = located=20 in cultural resource sites, riparian areas or near water = catchment=20 basins.

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------=_NextPart_000_0359_01C3B9E0.96C7B870-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 4 04:26:40 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 23:26:40 -0500 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season Message-ID: <20031204042658.OMEW27510.fed1mtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Sheesh. Take me WAAAAAY out of context why don't you. :) I didn't mean what I said toward anyone at all here (especially Sprocket), but merely as a simple observation. It's something I believe such behavior can be indicative of what I stated it could be. Gun topics, like religion, are a firestorm waiting to happen. Opposing sides are so vehement about their positions that the discussion quickly deteriorates into something it shouldn't...a blood-boiling argument. Who knew when I sent out the first message about my encounter on Monday that it would have come to this? My well-intentioned caution to the community has turned into something else. Brian Team A.I. > > From: Scott Wood > Date: 2003/12/03 Wed PM 09:44:30 EST > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season > > At 08:33 PM 12/3/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >I agree with Gale. But jokes about the use of firearms for anything > >(despite humorous intent) is something that shouldn't be done. In some > >cases, it can be strong evidence to support a belief that a person might > >not be responsible enough to be in possession of a weapon for fear that > >one of those comments might be acted upon. > > This is really starting to get out of control. No one ever got wet by > saying he word WATER. > > > > Scott > > scott@myblueheaven.com > www.myblueheaven.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 4 04:32:39 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 23:32:39 -0500 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Adopt-A-Highway Message-ID: <20031204043257.ONUO27510.fed1mtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Well, if anyone was wondering, I finally heard back from the head of the Adopt-A-Highway program. Previously, another group had expressed interest in the same section of highway and he was waiting to find out if they were going to take it or not. Today they decided not to, and I was contacted. The section of highway (I believe it's SB SR87 from MP 181-182 (approximately Gilbert Rd/SR87) is available and we now have it. Within I believe it's 6-8 weeks, a Adopt-A-Highway sign will be installed as being maintained by Arizona Geocachers. I will plan the first clean-up and subsequent park get together for just after the sign is installed. Hopefully the first cleanup will result in a strong showing, and we can get a great group picture to send to the Groundspeak staff. Brian Team A.I. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 4 04:46:41 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gordon L. Flatt) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:46:41 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets In-Reply-To: <008f01c3b911$ddb95880$40276a44@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C3B9E6.F0297010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The one that pops into my mind is the Aqua Fria cache. My first try was by four wheel drive from the north. At the time, the lake water was up so high that there was no way to get a land vehicle anywhere near the cache. My second try was from the south by hiking in on wild burro trails. Got to within 1.25 miles of it and came to a small version of the Grand Canyon. By that time I had less than half my water supply left and had to turn back. I actually did run out of drinking water, but had a fresh gallon in the truck when I got back to it. In the mean time, the clue I wanted from that cache to solve the Chain Cache, had been changed to a more accessible cache. I still haven't gone back to get the Aqua Fria cache, but would like to when it is accessible by Jeep. Gordon Team Coyote1022 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Nelson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:21 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets The listserv has been amazingly quiet lately. Here's a question I'll toss out in an effort to stimulate some conversation. If you've been caching for awhile there is probably at least one cache you tried to find several times without success. You REALLY wanted it but it eluded you. Others have found it. It now may be archived and you'll have to live with your failure forever. One that comes to mind for me is Ya Skala. What is yours? Any takers? Jerry Offtrail --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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The=20 one that pops into my mind is the Aqua Fria cache.  My first try = was by=20 four wheel drive from the north.  At the time, the lake water was = up so=20 high that there was no way to get a land vehicle anywhere near the = cache. =20 My second try was from the south by hiking in on wild burro = trails.  Got to=20 within 1.25 miles of it and came to a small version of the Grand = Canyon. =20 By that time I had less than half my water supply left and had to turn=20 back.  I actually did run out of drinking water, but had a fresh = gallon in=20 the truck when I got back to it.  In the mean time, the clue I = wanted from=20 that cache to solve the Chain Cache, had been changed to a more = accessible=20 cache.  I still haven't gone back to get the Aqua Fria cache, but = would=20 like to when it is accessible by Jeep.
 
Gordon
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Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:21=20 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: = [Az-Geocaching]=20 Cache Regrets

The listserv has been amazingly quiet = lately.=20 Here's a question I'll toss out in an effort to stimulate some=20 conversation.
 
If you've been caching for awhile = there is=20 probably at least one cache you tried to find several times without=20 success.  You REALLY wanted it but it eluded you. Others = have found=20 it.  It now may be archived and you'll have to live with your = failure=20 forever.  One that comes to mind for me is Ya Skala.  What = is=20 yours?
 
Any takers?
 
Jerry
Offtrail
------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C3B9E6.F0297010-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 4 04:48:23 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gordon L. Flatt) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:48:23 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Adopt-A-Highway In-Reply-To: <20031204043257.ONUO27510.fed1mtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: Count me in right now Brian. Mary and I would both be honored to help out on this project. Gordon Coyote1022 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Brian Casteel Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 9:33 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Adopt-A-Highway Well, if anyone was wondering, I finally heard back from the head of the Adopt-A-Highway program. Previously, another group had expressed interest in the same section of highway and he was waiting to find out if they were going to take it or not. Today they decided not to, and I was contacted. The section of highway (I believe it's SB SR87 from MP 181-182 (approximately Gilbert Rd/SR87) is available and we now have it. Within I believe it's 6-8 weeks, a Adopt-A-Highway sign will be installed as being maintained by Arizona Geocachers. I will plan the first clean-up and subsequent park get together for just after the sign is installed. Hopefully the first cleanup will result in a strong showing, and we can get a great group picture to send to the Groundspeak staff. Brian Team A.I. ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 11/27/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 11/27/2003 From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 4 04:52:08 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (GREGG OBUCH) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:52:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Adopt-A-Highway In-Reply-To: <20031204043257.ONUO27510.fed1mtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <20031204045208.1899.qmail@web80209.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1611181638-1070513528=:398 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Good work Brian. We'll be watching for further announcements! Maureen & Gregg (MO & GO) Brian Casteel wrote: Well, if anyone was wondering, I finally heard back from the head of the Adopt-A-Highway program. Previously, another group had expressed interest in the same section of highway and he was waiting to find out if they were going to take it or not. Today they decided not to, and I was contacted. The section of highway (I believe it's SB SR87 from MP 181-182 (approximately Gilbert Rd/SR87) is available and we now have it. Within I believe it's 6-8 weeks, a Adopt-A-Highway sign will be installed as being maintained by Arizona Geocachers. I will plan the first clean-up and subsequent park get together for just after the sign is installed. Hopefully the first cleanup will result in a strong showing, and we can get a great group picture to send to the Groundspeak staff. Brian Team A.I. ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com --0-1611181638-1070513528=:398 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Good work Brian.  We'll be watching for further announcements!
 
Maureen & Gregg (MO & GO)

Brian Casteel <bcasteel1@cox.net> wrote:
Well, if anyone was wondering, I finally heard back from the head of the Adopt-A-Highway program. Previously, another group had expressed interest in the same section of highway and he was waiting to find out if they were going to take it or not. Today they decided not to, and I was contacted. The section of highway (I believe it's SB SR87 from MP 181-182 (approximately Gilbert Rd/SR87) is available and we now have it. Within I believe it's 6-8 weeks, a Adopt-A-Highway sign will be installed as being maintained by Arizona Geocachers. I will plan the first clean-up and subsequent park get together for just after the sign is installed. Hopefully the first cleanup will result in a strong showing, and we can get a great group picture to send to the Groundspeak staff.

Brian
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--0-1611181638-1070513528=:398-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 4 05:07:50 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 0:07:50 -0500 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Adopt-A-Highway Message-ID: <20031204050800.KQEV3322.fed1mtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1070514470269_Miu0JAEBq9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's going to be a 2-year commitment, with pickups at least 4x/year. Shooting for much more might not get as much support, not to mention I'll be using days off to coordinate the event. As it stands now, it will be a Saturday I'm guess in late January or early February. Brian Team A.I. > > From: GREGG OBUCH > Date: 2003/12/03 Wed PM 11:52:08 EST > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Adopt-A-Highway > > Good work Brian. We'll be watching for further announcements! > > Maureen & Gregg (MO & GO) > > Brian Casteel wrote: > Well, if anyone was wondering, I finally heard back from the head of the Adopt-A-Highway program. Previously, another group had expressed interest in the same section of highway and he was waiting to find out if they were going to take it or not. Today they decided not to, and I was contacted. The section of highway (I believe it's SB SR87 from MP 181-182 (approximately Gilbert Rd/SR87) is available and we now have it. Within I believe it's 6-8 weeks, a Adopt-A-Highway sign will be installed as being maintained by Arizona Geocachers. I will plan the first clean-up and subsequent park get together for just after the sign is installed. Hopefully the first cleanup will result in a strong showing, and we can get a great group picture to send to the Groundspeak staff. > > Brian > Team A.I. > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ------=____1070514470269_Miu0JAEBq9 Content-Type: text/html; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply"
Good work Brian.  We'll be watching for further announcements!
 
Maureen & Gregg (MO & GO)

Brian Casteel <bcasteel1@cox.net> wrote:
Well, if anyone was wondering, I finally heard back from the head of the Adopt-A-Highway program. Previously, another group had expressed interest in the same section of highway and he was waiting to find out if they were going to take it or not. Today they decided not to, and I was contacted. The section of highway (I believe it's SB SR87 from MP 181-182 (approximately Gilbert Rd/SR87) is available and we now have it. Within I believe it's 6-8 weeks, a Adopt-A-Highway sign will be installed as being maintained by Arizona Geocachers. I will plan the first clean-up and subsequent park get together for just after the sign is installed. Hopefully the first cleanup will result in a strong showing, and we can get a great group picture to send to the Groundspeak staff.

Brian
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------=____1070514470269_Miu0JAEBq9-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 4 05:12:04 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Benjamin Dilcher) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 22:12:04 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season References: <20031204042658.OMEW27510.fed1mtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_037F_01C3B9EA.7BD68CD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable NOW IT'S GETTING FUNNY! I'm sorry I just have to laugh at all this = commotion ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brian Casteel=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 9:26 PM Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season Sheesh. Take me WAAAAAY out of context why don't you. :) I didn't = mean what I said toward anyone at all here (especially Sprocket), but = merely as a simple observation. It's something I believe such behavior = can be indicative of what I stated it could be. Gun topics, like religion, are a firestorm waiting to happen. = Opposing sides are so vehement about their positions that the discussion = quickly deteriorates into something it shouldn't...a blood-boiling = argument. Who knew when I sent out the first message about my encounter on = Monday that it would have come to this? My well-intentioned caution to = the community has turned into something else. Brian Team A.I. >=20 > From: Scott Wood > Date: 2003/12/03 Wed PM 09:44:30 EST > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season >=20 > At 08:33 PM 12/3/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >I agree with Gale. But jokes about the use of firearms for = anything=20 > >(despite humorous intent) is something that shouldn't be done. In = some=20 > >cases, it can be strong evidence to support a belief that a person = might=20 > >not be responsible enough to be in possession of a weapon for fear = that=20 > >one of those comments might be acted upon. >=20 > This is really starting to get out of control. No one ever got wet = by=20 > saying he word WATER. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Scott >=20 > scott@myblueheaven.com > www.myblueheaven.com >=20 > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >=20 > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com >=20 ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_000_037F_01C3B9EA.7BD68CD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
NOW IT'S GETTING FUNNY!  I'm sorry I just have to laugh at all = this=20 commotion
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: Re: = [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's=20 THAT season

Sheesh.  Take me WAAAAAY out of context why don't=20 you.  :)  I didn't mean what I said toward anyone at all = here=20 (especially Sprocket), but merely as a simple observation.  It's=20 something I believe such behavior can be indicative of what I stated = it could=20 be.

Gun topics, like religion, are a firestorm waiting to = happen. =20 Opposing sides are so vehement about their positions that the = discussion=20 quickly deteriorates into something it shouldn't...a blood-boiling=20 argument.

Who knew when I sent out the first message about my = encounter=20 on Monday that it would have come to this?  My well-intentioned = caution=20 to the community has turned into something else.

Brian
Team=20 A.I.

>
> From: Scott Wood <scott@myblueheaven.com>
= >=20 Date: 2003/12/03 Wed PM 09:44:30 EST
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com>=20 Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season
>
> = At=20 08:33 PM 12/3/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >I agree with = Gale.  But=20 jokes about the use of firearms for anything
> >(despite = humorous=20 intent) is something that shouldn't be done.  In some
> = >cases,=20 it can be strong evidence to support a belief that a person might =
>=20 >not be responsible enough to be in possession of a weapon for fear = that=20
> >one of those comments might be acted upon.
> =
> This=20 is really starting to get out of control.  No one ever got wet by =
> saying he word WATER.
>
>
>
>=20 Scott
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> scott@myblueheaven.com
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------=_NextPart_000_037F_01C3B9EA.7BD68CD0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 4 05:17:34 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 21:17:34 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Adopt-A-Highway Message-ID: >Brian Casteel wrote: >Well, if anyone was wondering, I finally heard back from the head of the >Adopt-A-Highway program. Previously, another group had expressed interest >in the same section of highway and he was waiting to find out if they were >going to take it or not. Today they decided not to, and I was contacted. >The section of highway (I believe it's SB SR87 from MP 181-182 >(approximately Gilbert Rd/SR87) is available and we now have it. Within I >believe it's 6-8 weeks, a Adopt-A-Highway sign will be installed as being >maintained by Arizona Geocachers. I will plan the first clean-up and >subsequent park get together for just after the sign is installed. >Hopefully the first cleanup will result in a strong showing, and we can get >a great group picture to send to the Groundspeak staff. > >Brian >Team A.I. > It would be great to get a strong showing of cachers out there cleaning up the area and perhaps getting newchannel 3 to come out and let all of Arizona see what a great group of peope geocachers are. Usually the weekend morning editions of channel 3 (good morning arizona) are pretty light and are typically covering stuff like this anyways. Could be very positive exposure for AZ geocaching. Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Get holiday tips for festive fun. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 4 05:27:10 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 22:27:10 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: It's THAT season In-Reply-To: <20031204042658.OMEW27510.fed1mtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox. net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031203222231.02735538@mail.myblueheaven.com> At 11:26 PM 12/3/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Who knew when I sent out the first message about my encounter on Monday >that it would have come to this? My well-intentioned caution to the >community has turned into something else. The real problem is that people take jokes as something other than what they are. Comments were made on this list that were obviously jokes. It looks like they were taken about a dozen different ways. The problem arises when we start deciding on what should and should not be joked about. Freedom of speech is as sacred to some as the right to keep and bear arms, and when it starts being suggested that we should not be allowed to joke about certain subjects, it rubs some people the wrong way. Thus my statement that no one ever got wet by saying the word WATER. I meant no attack by it, just wanted to express a point. Scott scott@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 4 05:23:50 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 21:23:50 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets Message-ID: Mine most definetly is Grubbers' Sodus Cache (GC3A4C). It was a traveling cache (now home in it's final resting place in New York). I found this cache very early in my caching days and didn't know much about traveling caches and didn't really know what my goals were in geocaching. I only really do Arizona caches and this traveling cache is now an OOS cache. I now have 1 OOS find because of this cache! So, if I had known it could possibly end up out of state, I would have never done it in the first place!!!! :) hehehhehehhehahhahahahhahahehhehehe :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Shop online for kids’ toys by age group, price range, and toy category at MSN Shopping. No waiting for a clerk to help you! http://shopping.msn.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 4 06:19:25 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 23:19:25 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Adopt-A-Highway References: Message-ID: <006f01c3ba2e$90ec40d0$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> This is scary. Scott must be reading my mind tonight. I was thinking something very similar for our inaugural cleanup event, just to help bring out some positive PR on Geocaching and this specific facet of it, which would appeal to many people. Maybe it's just me, but I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a group of people that actually support litter. :) Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RopingThe Wind" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Adopt-A-Highway > > >Brian Casteel wrote: > >Well, if anyone was wondering, I finally heard back from the head of the > >Adopt-A-Highway program. Previously, another group had expressed interest > >in the same section of highway and he was waiting to find out if they were > >going to take it or not. Today they decided not to, and I was contacted. > >The section of highway (I believe it's SB SR87 from MP 181-182 > >(approximately Gilbert Rd/SR87) is available and we now have it. Within I > >believe it's 6-8 weeks, a Adopt-A-Highway sign will be installed as being > >maintained by Arizona Geocachers. I will plan the first clean-up and > >subsequent park get together for just after the sign is installed. > >Hopefully the first cleanup will result in a strong showing, and we can get > >a great group picture to send to the Groundspeak staff. > > > >Brian > >Team A.I. > > > > It would be great to get a strong showing of cachers out there cleaning up > the area and perhaps getting newchannel 3 to come out and let all of Arizona > see what a great group of peope geocachers are. Usually the weekend morning > editions of channel 3 (good morning arizona) are pretty light and are > typically covering stuff like this anyways. Could be very positive exposure > for AZ geocaching. > > Scott > Team Ropingthewind > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get holiday tips for festive fun. > http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 4 07:22:53 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (xWaterLilyx) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 23:22:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Adopt-A-Highway In-Reply-To: <20031204043257.ONUO27510.fed1mtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <20031204072253.22445.qmail@web14810.mail.yahoo.com> --0-656016769-1070522573=:22000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sounds great, can't wait to find out the date so we can be there!! xWaterLilyx & RTF Team H20 Phoenix, AZ Brian Casteel wrote: Well, if anyone was wondering, I finally heard back from the head of the Adopt-A-Highway program. Previously, another group had expressed interest in the same section of highway and he was waiting to find out if they were going to take it or not. Today they decided not to, and I was contacted. The section of highway (I believe it's SB SR87 from MP 181-182 (approximately Gilbert Rd/SR87) is available and we now have it. Within I believe it's 6-8 weeks, a Adopt-A-Highway sign will be installed as being maintained by Arizona Geocachers. I will plan the first clean-up and subsequent park get together for just after the sign is installed. Hopefully the first cleanup will result in a strong showing, and we can get a great group picture to send to the Groundspeak staff. 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Sounds great, can't wait to find out the date so we can be there!!
 
xWaterLilyx & RTF
Team H20
Phoenix, AZ

Brian Casteel <bcasteel1@cox.net> wrote:
Well, if anyone was wondering, I finally heard back from the head of the Adopt-A-Highway program. Previously, another group had expressed interest in the same section of highway and he was waiting to find out if they were going to take it or not. Today they decided not to, and I was contacted. The section of highway (I believe it's SB SR87 from MP 181-182 (approximately Gilbert Rd/SR87) is available and we now have it. Within I believe it's 6-8 weeks, a Adopt-A-Highway sign will be installed as being maintained by Arizona Geocachers. I will plan the first clean-up and subsequent park get together for just after the sign is installed. Hopefully the first cleanup will result in a strong showing, and we can get a great group picture to send to the Groundspeak staff.

Brian
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Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now --0-656016769-1070522573=:22000-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 4 16:37:27 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Dick Holmes) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:37:27 -0700 Subject: Fw: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets Message-ID: <00ff01c3ba85$0efa3080$91360244@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01C3BA4A.3AAA6E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: REH@ATT=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets Sparky's Stash!!!! Dick Creepin' Jeepers ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gordon L. Flatt=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 9:46 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets The one that pops into my mind is the Aqua Fria cache. My first try = was by four wheel drive from the north. At the time, the lake water was = up so high that there was no way to get a land vehicle anywhere near the = cache. My second try was from the south by hiking in on wild burro = trails. Got to within 1.25 miles of it and came to a small version of = the Grand Canyon. By that time I had less than half my water supply = left and had to turn back. I actually did run out of drinking water, = but had a fresh gallon in the truck when I got back to it. In the mean = time, the clue I wanted from that cache to solve the Chain Cache, had = been changed to a more accessible cache. I still haven't gone back to = get the Aqua Fria cache, but would like to when it is accessible by = Jeep. Gordon Team Coyote1022 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jerry = Nelson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:21 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets The listserv has been amazingly quiet lately. Here's a question I'll = toss out in an effort to stimulate some conversation. If you've been caching for awhile there is probably at least one = cache you tried to find several times without success. You REALLY = wanted it but it eluded you. Others have found it. It now may be = archived and you'll have to live with your failure forever. One that = comes to mind for me is Ya Skala. What is yours? Any takers? Jerry Offtrail ------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01C3BA4A.3AAA6E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: REH@ATT =
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets

Sparky's Stash!!!!
 
Dick
Creepin' Jeepers
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gordon L.=20 Flatt
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, = 2003 9:46=20 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = Cache=20 Regrets

The=20 one that pops into my mind is the Aqua Fria cache.  My first try = was by=20 four wheel drive from the north.  At the time, the lake water was = up so=20 high that there was no way to get a land vehicle anywhere near the=20 cache.  My second try was from the south by hiking in on wild = burro=20 trails.  Got to within 1.25 miles of it and came to a small = version of=20 the Grand Canyon.  By that time I had less than half my water = supply left=20 and had to turn back.  I actually did run out of drinking water, = but had=20 a fresh gallon in the truck when I got back to it.  In the mean = time, the=20 clue I wanted from that cache to solve the Chain Cache, had been = changed to a=20 more accessible cache.  I still haven't gone back to get the Aqua = Fria=20 cache, but would like to when it is accessible by = Jeep.
 
Gordon
Team=20 Coyote1022
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf = Of=20 Jerry Nelson
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:21=20 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject:=20 [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets

The listserv has been amazingly = quiet lately.=20 Here's a question I'll toss out in an effort to stimulate some=20 conversation.
 
If you've been caching for awhile = there is=20 probably at least one cache you tried to find several times without=20 success.  You REALLY wanted it but it eluded you. Others = have=20 found it.  It now may be archived and you'll have to live with = your=20 failure forever.  One that comes to mind for me is Ya = Skala.  What=20 is yours?
 
Any takers?
 
Jerry
Offtrail
------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01C3BA4A.3AAA6E60-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 4 17:13:22 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:13:22 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets References: <00ff01c3ba85$0efa3080$91360244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <000d01c3ba89$ebf82560$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3BA4F.3F77E2B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Isn't that the one on the side of A Mountain? I looked for that sucker = for over an hour at 11PM or so and ended up above it 2 or 3 times = second-guessing myself. But once you get close to the cache itself, it = kind of finds you. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dick Holmes=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:37 AM Subject: Fw: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets ----- Original Message -----=20 From: REH@ATT=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets Sparky's Stash!!!! Dick Creepin' Jeepers ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gordon L. Flatt=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 9:46 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets The one that pops into my mind is the Aqua Fria cache. My first try = was by four wheel drive from the north. At the time, the lake water was = up so high that there was no way to get a land vehicle anywhere near the = cache. My second try was from the south by hiking in on wild burro = trails. Got to within 1.25 miles of it and came to a small version of = the Grand Canyon. By that time I had less than half my water supply = left and had to turn back. I actually did run out of drinking water, = but had a fresh gallon in the truck when I got back to it. In the mean = time, the clue I wanted from that cache to solve the Chain Cache, had = been changed to a more accessible cache. I still haven't gone back to = get the Aqua Fria cache, but would like to when it is accessible by = Jeep. Gordon Team Coyote1022 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jerry = Nelson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:21 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets The listserv has been amazingly quiet lately. Here's a question = I'll toss out in an effort to stimulate some conversation. If you've been caching for awhile there is probably at least one = cache you tried to find several times without success. You REALLY = wanted it but it eluded you. Others have found it. It now may be = archived and you'll have to live with your failure forever. One that = comes to mind for me is Ya Skala. What is yours? Any takers? Jerry Offtrail ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3BA4F.3F77E2B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Isn't that the one on the side of A = Mountain? =20 I looked for that sucker for over an hour at 11PM or so and ended up = above it 2=20 or 3 times second-guessing myself.  But once you get close to the = cache=20 itself, it kind of finds you.
 
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dick = Holmes=20
Sent: Thursday, December 04, = 2003 9:37=20 AM
Subject: Fw: [Az-Geocaching] = Cache=20 Regrets

 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: REH@ATT =
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets

Sparky's Stash!!!!
 
Dick
Creepin' Jeepers
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gordon=20 L. Flatt
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, = 2003 9:46=20 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = Cache=20 Regrets

The one that pops into my mind is the Aqua Fria = cache.  My first=20 try was by four wheel drive from the north.  At the time, the = lake=20 water was up so high that there was no way to get a land vehicle = anywhere=20 near the cache.  My second try was from the south by hiking in = on wild=20 burro trails.  Got to within 1.25 miles of it and came to a = small=20 version of the Grand Canyon.  By that time I had less than half = my=20 water supply left and had to turn back.  I actually did run out = of=20 drinking water, but had a fresh gallon in the truck when I got back = to=20 it.  In the mean time, the clue I wanted from that cache to = solve the=20 Chain Cache, had been changed to a more accessible cache.  I = still=20 haven't gone back to get the Aqua Fria cache, but would like to when = it is=20 accessible by Jeep.
 
Gordon
Team Coyote1022
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf = Of=20 Jerry Nelson
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:21=20 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject:=20 [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets

The listserv has been amazingly = quiet lately.=20 Here's a question I'll toss out in an effort to stimulate some=20 conversation.
 
If you've been caching for awhile = there is=20 probably at least one cache you tried to find several times = without=20 success.  You REALLY wanted it but it eluded you. Others = have=20 found it.  It now may be archived and you'll have to live = with your=20 failure forever.  One that comes to mind for me is Ya = Skala. =20 What is yours?
 
Any takers?
 
Jerry
Offtrail
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C3BA4F.3F77E2B0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 4 18:40:45 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brent Milner) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:40:45 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets In-Reply-To: <000d01c3ba89$ebf82560$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_016C_01C3BA5B.74E12BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If memory serves me correctly, Sparky's Stash was a small paint can that was stashed in a bush along the southside of a building on the ASU campus. This building that is located just north across a small street from Gammage Auditorium. I remember going back twice to find it, and getting totally lucky. It was hidden behind a very small palm plant. You had to climb up into the planter area (a feat better advised at night), and when you found it you needed to call upon your prying skills, because the can was nearly rusted shut. -Brent (HumNummaHumma -- Formerly of FroBro fame) -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Brian Casteel Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:13 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets Isn't that the one on the side of A Mountain? I looked for that sucker for over an hour at 11PM or so and ended up above it 2 or 3 times second-guessing myself. But once you get close to the cache itself, it kind of finds you. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Holmes To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:37 AM Subject: Fw: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets ----- Original Message ----- From: REH@ATT To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets Sparky's Stash!!!! Dick Creepin' Jeepers ----- Original Message ----- From: Gordon L. Flatt To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 9:46 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets The one that pops into my mind is the Aqua Fria cache. My first try was by four wheel drive from the north. At the time, the lake water was up so high that there was no way to get a land vehicle anywhere near the cache. My second try was from the south by hiking in on wild burro trails. Got to within 1.25 miles of it and came to a small version of the Grand Canyon. By that time I had less than half my water supply left and had to turn back. I actually did run out of drinking water, but had a fresh gallon in the truck when I got back to it. In the mean time, the clue I wanted from that cache to solve the Chain Cache, had been changed to a more accessible cache. I still haven't gone back to get the Aqua Fria cache, but would like to when it is accessible by Jeep. Gordon Team Coyote1022 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Nelson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:21 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets The listserv has been amazingly quiet lately. Here's a question I'll toss out in an effort to stimulate some conversation. If you've been caching for awhile there is probably at least one cache you tried to find several times without success. You REALLY wanted it but it eluded you. Others have found it. It now may be archived and you'll have to live with your failure forever. One that comes to mind for me is Ya Skala. What is yours? Any takers? Jerry Offtrail ==== This message and any attachments are confidential. Unauthorized use or disclosure of this message is strictly prohibited, and this message must be destroyed immediately if received by an unauthorized recipient. ==== ------=_NextPart_000_016C_01C3BA5B.74E12BD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If=20 memory serves me correctly, Sparky's Stash was a small paint can tha= t was=20 stashed in a bush along the southside of a building on the ASU campus. Th= is=20 building that is located just north across a small street from Gammage=20 Auditorium. I remember going back twice to find it, and getting totally l= ucky.=20 It was hidden behind a very small palm plant. You had to climb up into th= e=20 planter area (a feat better advised at night), and when you found it you = needed=20 to call upon your prying skills, because the can was nearly rus= ted=20 shut.
 
-Brent
(HumNummaHumma -- Formerly of FroBro fame)
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Brian=20 Casteel
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:13 AM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache=20 Regrets

Isn't that the one on the side of A Moun= tain? =20 I looked for that sucker for over an hour at 11PM or so and ended up abov= e it 2=20 or 3 times second-guessing myself.  But once you get close to the ca= che=20 itself, it kind of finds you.
 
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----
F= rom:=20 Dick Holme= s=20
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 200= 3 9:37=20 AM
Subject: Fw: [Az-Geocaching] Cac= he=20 Regrets

 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: REH@ATT
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets

Sparky's Stash!!!!
 
Dick
Creepin' Jeepers
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gordon=20 L. Flatt
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, = 2003 9:46=20 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] C= ache=20 Regrets

The one that pops into my mind is the Aqua Fria cache. = My first=20 try was by four wheel drive from the north.  At the time, the la= ke=20 water was up so high that there was no way to get a land vehicle anyw= here=20 near the cache.  My second try was from the south by hiking in o= n wild=20 burro trails.  Got to within 1.25 miles of it and came to a smal= l=20 version of the Grand Canyon.  By that time I had less than half = my=20 water supply left and had to turn back.  I actually did run out = of=20 drinking water, but had a fresh gallon in the truck when I got back t= o=20 it.  In the mean time, the clue I wanted from that cache to solv= e the=20 Chain Cache, had been changed to a more accessible cache.  I sti= ll=20 haven't gone back to get the Aqua Fria cache, but would like to when = it is=20 accessible by Jeep.
 
Gordon
Team Coyote1022
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf = Of=20 Jerry Nelson
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:21=20 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject:=20 [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets

The listserv has been amazingly qu= iet lately.=20 Here's a question I'll toss out in an effort to stimulate some=20 conversation.
 
If you've been caching for awhile = there is=20 probably at least one cache you tried to find several times without= =20 success.  You REALLY wanted it but it eluded you. Others = have=20 found it.  It now may be archived and you'll have to live with= your=20 failure forever.  One that comes to mind for me is Ya Skala.&n= bsp;=20 What is yours?
 
Any takers?
 
Jerry
Offtrail
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------=_NextPart_000_016C_01C3BA5B.74E12BD0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 4 19:13:57 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 12:13:57 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets References: Message-ID: <002301c3ba9a$c4410030$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C3BA60.17BE4C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone have the GC# of it? Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brent Milner=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets If memory serves me correctly, Sparky's Stash was a small paint can = that was stashed in a bush along the southside of a building on the ASU = campus. This building that is located just north across a small street = from Gammage Auditorium. I remember going back twice to find it, and = getting totally lucky. It was hidden behind a very small palm plant. You = had to climb up into the planter area (a feat better advised at night), = and when you found it you needed to call upon your prying skills, = because the can was nearly rusted shut. -Brent (HumNummaHumma -- Formerly of FroBro fame) -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Brian = Casteel Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:13 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets Isn't that the one on the side of A Mountain? I looked for that = sucker for over an hour at 11PM or so and ended up above it 2 or 3 times = second-guessing myself. But once you get close to the cache itself, it = kind of finds you. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dick Holmes=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:37 AM Subject: Fw: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets ----- Original Message -----=20 From: REH@ATT=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets Sparky's Stash!!!! Dick Creepin' Jeepers ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gordon L. Flatt=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 9:46 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets The one that pops into my mind is the Aqua Fria cache. My first = try was by four wheel drive from the north. At the time, the lake water = was up so high that there was no way to get a land vehicle anywhere near = the cache. My second try was from the south by hiking in on wild burro = trails. Got to within 1.25 miles of it and came to a small version of = the Grand Canyon. By that time I had less than half my water supply = left and had to turn back. I actually did run out of drinking water, = but had a fresh gallon in the truck when I got back to it. In the mean = time, the clue I wanted from that cache to solve the Chain Cache, had = been changed to a more accessible cache. I still haven't gone back to = get the Aqua Fria cache, but would like to when it is accessible by = Jeep. Gordon Team Coyote1022 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jerry = Nelson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:21 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets The listserv has been amazingly quiet lately. Here's a question = I'll toss out in an effort to stimulate some conversation. If you've been caching for awhile there is probably at least one = cache you tried to find several times without success. You REALLY = wanted it but it eluded you. Others have found it. It now may be = archived and you'll have to live with your failure forever. One that = comes to mind for me is Ya Skala. What is yours? Any takers? Jerry Offtrail =3D=3D=3D=3D This message and any attachments are confidential. Unauthorized use or disclosure of this message is strictly prohibited, and this message must be destroyed immediately if received by an unauthorized recipient. =3D=3D=3D=3D ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C3BA60.17BE4C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does anyone have the GC# of = it?
 
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Brent = Milner=20
Sent: Thursday, December 04, = 2003 11:40=20 AM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = Cache=20 Regrets

If=20 memory serves me correctly, Sparky's Stash was a small paint can = that was=20 stashed in a bush along the southside of a building on the ASU campus. = This=20 building that is located just north across a small street from Gammage = Auditorium. I remember going back twice to find it, and getting = totally lucky.=20 It was hidden behind a very small palm plant. You had to climb up into = the=20 planter area (a feat better advised at night), and when you found it = you=20 needed to call upon your prying skills, because the can was = nearly=20 rusted shut.
 
-Brent
(HumNummaHumma -- Formerly of FroBro = fame)
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of=20 Brian Casteel
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:13=20 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re:=20 [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets

Isn't that the one on the side of A=20 Mountain?  I looked for that sucker for over an hour at 11PM or = so and=20 ended up above it 2 or 3 times second-guessing myself.  But once = you get=20 close to the cache itself, it kind of finds you.
 
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dick = Holmes=20
Sent: Thursday, December 04, = 2003 9:37=20 AM
Subject: Fw: [Az-Geocaching] = Cache=20 Regrets

 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: = REH@ATT =
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets

Sparky's Stash!!!!
 
Dick
Creepin' Jeepers
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Gordon L. Flatt
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December = 03, 2003=20 9:46 PM
Subject: RE: = [Az-Geocaching] Cache=20 Regrets

The one that pops into my mind is the Aqua Fria = cache.  My=20 first try was by four wheel drive from the north.  At the = time, the=20 lake water was up so high that there was no way to get a land = vehicle=20 anywhere near the cache.  My second try was from the south by = hiking=20 in on wild burro trails.  Got to within 1.25 miles of it and = came to=20 a small version of the Grand Canyon.  By that time I had less = than=20 half my water supply left and had to turn back.  I actually = did run=20 out of drinking water, but had a fresh gallon in the truck when I = got back=20 to it.  In the mean time, the clue I wanted from that cache = to solve=20 the Chain Cache, had been changed to a more accessible = cache.  I=20 still haven't gone back to get the Aqua Fria cache, but would like = to when=20 it is accessible by Jeep.
 
Gordon
Team Coyote1022
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On = Behalf Of=20 Jerry Nelson
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:21 = PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject:=20 [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets

The listserv has been amazingly = quiet=20 lately. Here's a question I'll toss out in an effort to = stimulate some=20 conversation.
 
If you've been caching for = awhile there is=20 probably at least one cache you tried to find several times = without=20 success.  You REALLY wanted it but it eluded = you. Others have=20 found it.  It now may be archived and you'll have to live = with your=20 failure forever.  One that comes to mind for me is Ya = Skala. =20 What is yours?
 
Any takers?
 
Jerry
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------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C3BA60.17BE4C80-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 4 19:30:55 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jerry Nelson) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 12:30:55 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets References: Message-ID: <008501c3ba9d$24f9fa60$40276a44@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01C3BA62.7692CF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I remember finding this between classes with a girl I was trying to = introduce to caching. She was so nervous poking around in the bushes = thinking everyone was watching that she never would go again. Jerry Offtrail ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brent Milner=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets If memory serves me correctly, Sparky's Stash was a small paint can = that was stashed in a bush along the southside of a building on the ASU = campus. This building that is located just north across a small street = from Gammage Auditorium. I remember going back twice to find it, and = getting totally lucky. It was hidden behind a very small palm plant. You = had to climb up into the planter area (a feat better advised at night), = and when you found it you needed to call upon your prying skills, = because the can was nearly rusted shut. -Brent (HumNummaHumma -- Formerly of FroBro fame) -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Brian = Casteel Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:13 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets Isn't that the one on the side of A Mountain? I looked for that = sucker for over an hour at 11PM or so and ended up above it 2 or 3 times = second-guessing myself. But once you get close to the cache itself, it = kind of finds you. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dick Holmes=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:37 AM Subject: Fw: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets ----- Original Message -----=20 From: REH@ATT=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets Sparky's Stash!!!! Dick Creepin' Jeepers ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gordon L. Flatt=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 9:46 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets The one that pops into my mind is the Aqua Fria cache. My first = try was by four wheel drive from the north. At the time, the lake water = was up so high that there was no way to get a land vehicle anywhere near = the cache. My second try was from the south by hiking in on wild burro = trails. Got to within 1.25 miles of it and came to a small version of = the Grand Canyon. By that time I had less than half my water supply = left and had to turn back. I actually did run out of drinking water, = but had a fresh gallon in the truck when I got back to it. In the mean = time, the clue I wanted from that cache to solve the Chain Cache, had = been changed to a more accessible cache. I still haven't gone back to = get the Aqua Fria cache, but would like to when it is accessible by = Jeep. Gordon Team Coyote1022 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jerry = Nelson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:21 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets The listserv has been amazingly quiet lately. Here's a question = I'll toss out in an effort to stimulate some conversation. If you've been caching for awhile there is probably at least one = cache you tried to find several times without success. You REALLY = wanted it but it eluded you. Others have found it. It now may be = archived and you'll have to live with your failure forever. One that = comes to mind for me is Ya Skala. What is yours? Any takers? Jerry Offtrail =3D=3D=3D=3D This message and any attachments are confidential. Unauthorized use or disclosure of this message is strictly prohibited, and this message must be destroyed immediately if received by an unauthorized recipient. =3D=3D=3D=3D ------=_NextPart_000_0082_01C3BA62.7692CF40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I remember finding this between classes = with a girl=20 I was trying to introduce to caching.  She was so nervous poking = around in=20 the bushes thinking everyone was watching that she never would=20 go again.
 
Jerry
Offtrail
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Brent = Milner=20
Sent: Thursday, December 04, = 2003 11:40=20 AM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = Cache=20 Regrets

If=20 memory serves me correctly, Sparky's Stash was a small paint can = that was=20 stashed in a bush along the southside of a building on the ASU campus. = This=20 building that is located just north across a small street from Gammage = Auditorium. I remember going back twice to find it, and getting = totally lucky.=20 It was hidden behind a very small palm plant. You had to climb up into = the=20 planter area (a feat better advised at night), and when you found it = you=20 needed to call upon your prying skills, because the can was = nearly=20 rusted shut.
 
-Brent
(HumNummaHumma -- Formerly of FroBro = fame)
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of=20 Brian Casteel
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:13=20 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re:=20 [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets

Isn't that the one on the side of A=20 Mountain?  I looked for that sucker for over an hour at 11PM or = so and=20 ended up above it 2 or 3 times second-guessing myself.  But once = you get=20 close to the cache itself, it kind of finds you.
 
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dick = Holmes=20
Sent: Thursday, December 04, = 2003 9:37=20 AM
Subject: Fw: [Az-Geocaching] = Cache=20 Regrets

 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: = REH@ATT =
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets

Sparky's Stash!!!!
 
Dick
Creepin' Jeepers
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Gordon L. Flatt
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December = 03, 2003=20 9:46 PM
Subject: RE: = [Az-Geocaching] Cache=20 Regrets

The one that pops into my mind is the Aqua Fria = cache.  My=20 first try was by four wheel drive from the north.  At the = time, the=20 lake water was up so high that there was no way to get a land = vehicle=20 anywhere near the cache.  My second try was from the south by = hiking=20 in on wild burro trails.  Got to within 1.25 miles of it and = came to=20 a small version of the Grand Canyon.  By that time I had less = than=20 half my water supply left and had to turn back.  I actually = did run=20 out of drinking water, but had a fresh gallon in the truck when I = got back=20 to it.  In the mean time, the clue I wanted from that cache = to solve=20 the Chain Cache, had been changed to a more accessible = cache.  I=20 still haven't gone back to get the Aqua Fria cache, but would like = to when=20 it is accessible by Jeep.
 
Gordon
Team Coyote1022
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On = Behalf Of=20 Jerry Nelson
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:21 = PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject:=20 [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets

The listserv has been amazingly = quiet=20 lately. Here's a question I'll toss out in an effort to = stimulate some=20 conversation.
 
If you've been caching for = awhile there is=20 probably at least one cache you tried to find several times = without=20 success.  You REALLY wanted it but it eluded = you. Others have=20 found it.  It now may be archived and you'll have to live = with your=20 failure forever.  One that comes to mind for me is Ya = Skala. =20 What is yours?
 
Any takers?
 
Jerry
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------=_NextPart_000_0082_01C3BA62.7692CF40-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 4 19:31:57 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jerry Nelson) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 12:31:57 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets References: <002301c3ba9a$c4410030$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> Message-ID: <008f01c3ba9d$49e6cc40$40276a44@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C3BA62.9B780000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable GC369=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brian Casteel=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets Does anyone have the GC# of it? Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brent Milner=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets If memory serves me correctly, Sparky's Stash was a small paint can = that was stashed in a bush along the southside of a building on the ASU = campus. This building that is located just north across a small street = from Gammage Auditorium. I remember going back twice to find it, and = getting totally lucky. It was hidden behind a very small palm plant. You = had to climb up into the planter area (a feat better advised at night), = and when you found it you needed to call upon your prying skills, = because the can was nearly rusted shut. -Brent (HumNummaHumma -- Formerly of FroBro fame) -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Brian = Casteel Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:13 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets Isn't that the one on the side of A Mountain? I looked for that = sucker for over an hour at 11PM or so and ended up above it 2 or 3 times = second-guessing myself. But once you get close to the cache itself, it = kind of finds you. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dick Holmes=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:37 AM Subject: Fw: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets ----- Original Message -----=20 From: REH@ATT=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets Sparky's Stash!!!! Dick Creepin' Jeepers ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gordon L. Flatt=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 9:46 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets The one that pops into my mind is the Aqua Fria cache. My first = try was by four wheel drive from the north. At the time, the lake water = was up so high that there was no way to get a land vehicle anywhere near = the cache. My second try was from the south by hiking in on wild burro = trails. Got to within 1.25 miles of it and came to a small version of = the Grand Canyon. By that time I had less than half my water supply = left and had to turn back. I actually did run out of drinking water, = but had a fresh gallon in the truck when I got back to it. In the mean = time, the clue I wanted from that cache to solve the Chain Cache, had = been changed to a more accessible cache. I still haven't gone back to = get the Aqua Fria cache, but would like to when it is accessible by = Jeep. Gordon Team Coyote1022 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jerry = Nelson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:21 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets The listserv has been amazingly quiet lately. Here's a = question I'll toss out in an effort to stimulate some conversation. If you've been caching for awhile there is probably at least = one cache you tried to find several times without success. You REALLY = wanted it but it eluded you. Others have found it. It now may be = archived and you'll have to live with your failure forever. One that = comes to mind for me is Ya Skala. What is yours? Any takers? Jerry Offtrail =3D=3D=3D=3D This message and any attachments are confidential. Unauthorized use or disclosure of this message is strictly prohibited, and this message must be destroyed immediately if received by an unauthorized recipient. =3D=3D=3D=3D ------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C3BA62.9B780000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
GC369 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Brian = Casteel=20
Sent: Thursday, December 04, = 2003 12:13=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = Cache=20 Regrets

Does anyone have the GC# of = it?
 
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Brent = Milner=20
Sent: Thursday, December 04, = 2003 11:40=20 AM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = Cache=20 Regrets

If=20 memory serves me correctly, Sparky's Stash was a small paint = can that=20 was stashed in a bush along the southside of a building on the ASU = campus.=20 This building that is located just north across a small street from = Gammage=20 Auditorium. I remember going back twice to find it, and getting = totally=20 lucky. It was hidden behind a very small palm plant. You had to = climb up=20 into the planter area (a feat better advised at night), and when you = found=20 it you needed to call upon your prying skills, because the = can was=20 nearly rusted shut.
 
-Brent
(HumNummaHumma -- Formerly of FroBro = fame)
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf = Of=20 Brian Casteel
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:13=20 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re:=20 [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets

Isn't that the one on the side of A = Mountain?  I looked for that sucker for over an hour at 11PM or = so and=20 ended up above it 2 or 3 times second-guessing myself.  But = once you=20 get close to the cache itself, it kind of finds you.
 
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Dick = Holmes=20
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Thursday, December = 04, 2003=20 9:37 AM
Subject: Fw: = [Az-Geocaching] Cache=20 Regrets

 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: = REH@ATT
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets

Sparky's Stash!!!!
 
Dick
Creepin' Jeepers
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Gordon L. Flatt =
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December = 03, 2003=20 9:46 PM
Subject: RE: = [Az-Geocaching] Cache=20 Regrets

The one that pops into my mind is the Aqua Fria = cache.  My=20 first try was by four wheel drive from the north.  At the = time, the=20 lake water was up so high that there was no way to get a land = vehicle=20 anywhere near the cache.  My second try was from the south = by=20 hiking in on wild burro trails.  Got to within 1.25 miles = of it and=20 came to a small version of the Grand Canyon.  By that time = I had=20 less than half my water supply left and had to turn back.  = I=20 actually did run out of drinking water, but had a fresh gallon = in the=20 truck when I got back to it.  In the mean time, the clue I = wanted=20 from that cache to solve the Chain Cache, had been changed to a = more=20 accessible cache.  I still haven't gone back to get the = Aqua Fria=20 cache, but would like to when it is accessible by=20 Jeep.
 
Gordon
Team Coyote1022
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On = Behalf Of=20 Jerry Nelson
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 = 1:21=20 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject:=20 [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets

The listserv has been = amazingly quiet=20 lately. Here's a question I'll toss out in an effort to = stimulate some=20 conversation.
 
If you've been caching for = awhile there=20 is probably at least one cache you tried to find several times = without=20 success.  You REALLY wanted it but it eluded = you. Others=20 have found it.  It now may be archived and you'll have to = live=20 with your failure forever.  One that comes to mind for me = is Ya=20 Skala.  What is yours?
 
Any takers?
 
Jerry
Offtrail
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------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C3BA62.9B780000-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 4 19:48:00 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Akerman) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:48:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Supporting litter; waypoint for Sparky's Stash Message-ID: <20031204194800.25784.qmail@web21101.mail.yahoo.com> --0-2108956327-1070567280=:21654 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Brian - Team A.I. wrote: This is scary. Scott must be reading my mind tonight. I was thinking something very similar for our inaugural cleanup event, just to help bring out some positive PR on Geocaching and this specific facet of it, which would appeal to many people. Maybe it's just me, but I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a group of people that actually support litter. Apparently, many people do litter, so why do people litter if they don't support litter? People who do litter must be supporting litter, even if their support is implicit or indirect. Also, Brian asked for the waypoint of Sparky's Stash. That waypoint is GC369. Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) --0-2108956327-1070567280=:21654 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
 
This is scary.  Scott must be reading my mind tonight.  I was thinking something very similar for our inaugural cleanup event, just to help bring out some positive PR on Geocaching and this specific facet of it, which would appeal to many people.  Maybe it's just me, but I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a group of people that actually support litter. 
 
Apparently, many people do litter, so why do people litter if they don't support litter?  People who do litter must be supporting litter, even if their support is implicit or indirect.
 
Also, Brian asked for the waypoint of Sparky's Stash.  That waypoint is GC369.
 
Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer)
--0-2108956327-1070567280=:21654-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 4 19:48:08 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 12:48:08 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets References: <002301c3ba9a$c4410030$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> <008f01c3ba9d$49e6cc40$40276a44@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <002701c3ba9f$8aac4d20$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C3BA64.DE35A760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah, it's been archived. :( Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jerry Nelson=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets GC369=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brian Casteel=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets Does anyone have the GC# of it? Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brent Milner=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets If memory serves me correctly, Sparky's Stash was a small paint = can that was stashed in a bush along the southside of a building on the = ASU campus. This building that is located just north across a small = street from Gammage Auditorium. I remember going back twice to find it, = and getting totally lucky. It was hidden behind a very small palm plant. = You had to climb up into the planter area (a feat better advised at = night), and when you found it you needed to call upon your prying = skills, because the can was nearly rusted shut. -Brent (HumNummaHumma -- Formerly of FroBro fame) -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Brian = Casteel Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:13 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets Isn't that the one on the side of A Mountain? I looked for that = sucker for over an hour at 11PM or so and ended up above it 2 or 3 times = second-guessing myself. But once you get close to the cache itself, it = kind of finds you. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dick Holmes=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:37 AM Subject: Fw: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets ----- Original Message -----=20 From: REH@ATT=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets Sparky's Stash!!!! Dick Creepin' Jeepers ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gordon L. Flatt=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 9:46 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets The one that pops into my mind is the Aqua Fria cache. My = first try was by four wheel drive from the north. At the time, the lake = water was up so high that there was no way to get a land vehicle = anywhere near the cache. My second try was from the south by hiking in = on wild burro trails. Got to within 1.25 miles of it and came to a = small version of the Grand Canyon. By that time I had less than half my = water supply left and had to turn back. I actually did run out of = drinking water, but had a fresh gallon in the truck when I got back to = it. In the mean time, the clue I wanted from that cache to solve the = Chain Cache, had been changed to a more accessible cache. I still = haven't gone back to get the Aqua Fria cache, but would like to when it = is accessible by Jeep. Gordon Team Coyote1022 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jerry = Nelson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:21 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets The listserv has been amazingly quiet lately. Here's a = question I'll toss out in an effort to stimulate some conversation. If you've been caching for awhile there is probably at least = one cache you tried to find several times without success. You REALLY = wanted it but it eluded you. Others have found it. It now may be = archived and you'll have to live with your failure forever. One that = comes to mind for me is Ya Skala. What is yours? Any takers? Jerry Offtrail =3D=3D=3D=3D This message and any attachments are confidential. Unauthorized use or disclosure of this message is strictly prohibited, and this message must be destroyed immediately if received by an unauthorized recipient. =3D=3D=3D=3D ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C3BA64.DE35A760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ah, it's been archived.  = :(
 
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jerry=20 Nelson
Sent: Thursday, December 04, = 2003 12:31=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = Cache=20 Regrets

 
GC369 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Brian = Casteel=20
Sent: Thursday, December 04, = 2003 12:13=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = Cache=20 Regrets

Does anyone have the GC# of = it?
 
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Brent=20 Milner
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Thursday, December = 04, 2003=20 11:40 AM
Subject: RE: = [Az-Geocaching] Cache=20 Regrets

If memory serves me correctly, Sparky's Stash was a = small=20 paint can that was stashed in a bush along the southside of a = building on=20 the ASU campus. This building that is located just north across a = small=20 street from Gammage Auditorium. I remember going back twice to = find it,=20 and getting totally lucky. It was hidden behind a very small palm = plant.=20 You had to climb up into the planter area (a feat better advised = at=20 night), and when you found it you needed to call upon = your prying=20 skills, because the can was nearly rusted = shut.
 
-Brent
(HumNummaHumma -- Formerly of FroBro = fame)
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf = Of=20 Brian Casteel
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 = 10:13=20 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re:=20 [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets

Isn't that the one on the side of = A=20 Mountain?  I looked for that sucker for over an hour at 11PM = or so=20 and ended up above it 2 or 3 times second-guessing myself.  = But once=20 you get close to the cache itself, it kind of finds = you.
 
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Dick Holmes=20
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Thursday, December = 04, 2003=20 9:37 AM
Subject: Fw: = [Az-Geocaching] Cache=20 Regrets

 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: REH@ATT
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache = Regrets

Sparky's Stash!!!!
 
Dick
Creepin' Jeepers
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Gordon L. Flatt =
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, = December 03,=20 2003 9:46 PM
Subject: RE: = [Az-Geocaching]=20 Cache Regrets

The one that pops into my mind is the Aqua Fria = cache.  My=20 first try was by four wheel drive from the north.  At the = time,=20 the lake water was up so high that there was no way to get a = land=20 vehicle anywhere near the cache.  My second try was from = the=20 south by hiking in on wild burro trails.  Got to within = 1.25=20 miles of it and came to a small version of the Grand = Canyon.  By=20 that time I had less than half my water supply left and had to = turn=20 back.  I actually did run out of drinking water, but had = a fresh=20 gallon in the truck when I got back to it.  In the mean = time, the=20 clue I wanted from that cache to solve the Chain Cache, had = been=20 changed to a more accessible cache.  I still haven't gone = back to=20 get the Aqua Fria cache, but would like to when it is = accessible by=20 Jeep.
 
Gordon
Team Coyote1022
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On = Behalf=20 Of Jerry Nelson
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, = 2003 1:21=20 PM
To: = listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject:=20 [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets

The listserv has been = amazingly quiet=20 lately. Here's a question I'll toss out in an effort to = stimulate=20 some conversation.
 
If you've been caching for = awhile there=20 is probably at least one cache you tried to find several = times=20 without success.  You REALLY wanted it but it eluded=20 you. Others have found it.  It now may be archived = and=20 you'll have to live with your failure forever.  One = that comes=20 to mind for me is Ya Skala.  What is = yours?
 
Any takers?
 
Jerry
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------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C3BA64.DE35A760-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 4 20:20:53 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:20:53 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Supporting litter; waypoint for Sparky's Stash References: <20031204194800.25784.qmail@web21101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001601c3baa4$1e14d330$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C3BA69.71A07760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Touche. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ken Akerman=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 12:48 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Supporting litter; waypoint for Sparky's = Stash Brian - Team A.I. wrote: This is scary. Scott must be reading my mind tonight. I was thinking = something very similar for our inaugural cleanup event, just to help = bring out some positive PR on Geocaching and this specific facet of it, = which would appeal to many people. Maybe it's just me, but I think = you'd be hard-pressed to find a group of people that actually support = litter. =20 Apparently, many people do litter, so why do people litter if they = don't support litter? People who do litter must be supporting litter, = even if their support is implicit or indirect. Also, Brian asked for the waypoint of Sparky's Stash. That waypoint = is GC369. Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C3BA69.71A07760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Touche.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ken = Akerman=20
Sent: Thursday, December 04, = 2003 12:48=20 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] = Supporting=20 litter; waypoint for Sparky's Stash

Brian=20 - Team A.I. wrote:
 
This is scary.  Scott must be reading my mind = tonight.  I=20 was thinking something very similar for our inaugural cleanup event, = just to=20 help bring out some positive PR on Geocaching and this specific facet = of it,=20 which would appeal to many people.  Maybe it's just me, but I = think you'd=20 be hard-pressed to find a group of people that actually support=20 litter. 
 
Apparently, many people do litter, so why do people litter if = they don't=20 support litter?  People who do litter must be supporting litter, = even if=20 their support is implicit or indirect.
 
Also, Brian asked for the waypoint of Sparky's=20 Stash.  That waypoint is GC369.
 
Ken (a.k.a.=20 = Highpointer)
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C3BA69.71A07760-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 4 20:26:48 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Koch, Dan) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:26:48 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3BAA4.F18E96C4 Content-Type: text/plain >Does anyone have the GC# of it? >Brian >Team A.I. You know, Brian, there's this great resource out there called azgeocaching.com... ;) heh heh heh :) As for cache regrets, I'd say it's 'Kippers in the Desert'. While it's not one that I couldn't find, it is one that I regretfully never made the attempt to find. I was at a friends place right down the road from it, had my GPS in hand, but never made it out there. I had watched that cache for months (back then there were so few caches around!) and really wanted to find it since I was so close. Alas, that was not to be and I have nothing to blame but my own laziness. But then again, I'm not called 'LazyK' for nothing... As for cache embarrasments (not a regret yet because it's still active), that's definately 'Desert Half Pipe'. a 1/1 cache stumped us for the better part of an hour. We took our lumps and posted a 'Not Found'. Hopefully, though, we'll get back out there and find that sucker before it really does go missing. But then again...refer to the last sentence of the previous paragraph... LazyK - Dan -----Original Message----- From: Brian Casteel [mailto:bcasteel1@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 12:14 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets Does anyone have the GC# of it? Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: Brent Milner To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets If memory serves me correctly, Sparky's Stash was a small paint can that was stashed in a bush along the southside of a building on the ASU campus. This building that is located just north across a small street from Gammage Auditorium. I remember going back twice to find it, and getting totally lucky. It was hidden behind a very small palm plant. You had to climb up into the planter area (a feat better advised at night), and when you found it you needed to call upon your prying skills, because the can was nearly rusted shut. -Brent (HumNummaHumma -- Formerly of FroBro fame) -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Brian Casteel Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:13 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets Isn't that the one on the side of A Mountain? I looked for that sucker for over an hour at 11PM or so and ended up above it 2 or 3 times second-guessing myself. But once you get close to the cache itself, it kind of finds you. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Holmes To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:37 AM Subject: Fw: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets ----- Original Message ----- From: REH@ATT To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets Sparky's Stash!!!! Dick Creepin' Jeepers ----- Original Message ----- From: Gordon L. Flatt To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 9:46 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets The one that pops into my mind is the Aqua Fria cache. My first try was by four wheel drive from the north. At the time, the lake water was up so high that there was no way to get a land vehicle anywhere near the cache. My second try was from the south by hiking in on wild burro trails. Got to within 1.25 miles of it and came to a small version of the Grand Canyon. By that time I had less than half my water supply left and had to turn back. I actually did run out of drinking water, but had a fresh gallon in the truck when I got back to it. In the mean time, the clue I wanted from that cache to solve the Chain Cache, had been changed to a more accessible cache. I still haven't gone back to get the Aqua Fria cache, but would like to when it is accessible by Jeep. Gordon Team Coyote1022 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Nelson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:21 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets The listserv has been amazingly quiet lately. Here's a question I'll toss out in an effort to stimulate some conversation. If you've been caching for awhile there is probably at least one cache you tried to find several times without success. You REALLY wanted it but it eluded you. Others have found it. It now may be archived and you'll have to live with your failure forever. One that comes to mind for me is Ya Skala. What is yours? Any takers? Jerry Offtrail ==== This message and any attachments are confidential. Unauthorized use or disclosure of this message is strictly prohibited, and this message must be destroyed immediately if received by an unauthorized recipient. ==== ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3BAA4.F18E96C4 Content-Type: text/html Message
>Does anyone have the GC# of it?
 
>Brian
>Team A.I.
 
You know, Brian, there's this great resource out there called azgeocaching.com... ;)  heh heh heh :)
 
As for cache regrets, I'd say it's 'Kippers in the Desert'.  While it's not one that I couldn't find, it is one that I regretfully never made the attempt to find.  I was at a friends place right down the road from it, had my GPS in hand, but never made it out there.  I had watched that cache for months (back then there were so few caches around!) and really wanted to find it since I was so close.  Alas, that was not to be and I have nothing to blame but my own laziness.  But then again, I'm not called 'LazyK' for nothing...
 
As for cache embarrasments (not a regret yet because it's still active), that's definately 'Desert Half Pipe'.  a 1/1 cache stumped us for the better part of an hour.  We took our lumps and posted a 'Not Found'.  Hopefully, though, we'll get back out there and find that sucker before it really does go missing.  But then again...refer to the last sentence of the previous paragraph...
 
LazyK - Dan
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Casteel [mailto:bcasteel1@cox.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 12:14 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets

Does anyone have the GC# of it?
 
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 11:40 AM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets

If memory serves me correctly, Sparky's Stash was a small paint can that was stashed in a bush along the southside of a building on the ASU campus. This building that is located just north across a small street from Gammage Auditorium. I remember going back twice to find it, and getting totally lucky. It was hidden behind a very small palm plant. You had to climb up into the planter area (a feat better advised at night), and when you found it you needed to call upon your prying skills, because the can was nearly rusted shut.
 
-Brent
(HumNummaHumma -- Formerly of FroBro fame)
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Brian Casteel
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:13 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets

Isn't that the one on the side of A Mountain?  I looked for that sucker for over an hour at 11PM or so and ended up above it 2 or 3 times second-guessing myself.  But once you get close to the cache itself, it kind of finds you.
 
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:37 AM
Subject: Fw: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets

 
----- Original Message -----
From: REH@ATT
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets

Sparky's Stash!!!!
 
Dick
Creepin' Jeepers
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 9:46 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets

The one that pops into my mind is the Aqua Fria cache.  My first try was by four wheel drive from the north.  At the time, the lake water was up so high that there was no way to get a land vehicle anywhere near the cache.  My second try was from the south by hiking in on wild burro trails.  Got to within 1.25 miles of it and came to a small version of the Grand Canyon.  By that time I had less than half my water supply left and had to turn back.  I actually did run out of drinking water, but had a fresh gallon in the truck when I got back to it.  In the mean time, the clue I wanted from that cache to solve the Chain Cache, had been changed to a more accessible cache.  I still haven't gone back to get the Aqua Fria cache, but would like to when it is accessible by Jeep.
 
Gordon
Team Coyote1022
-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Nelson
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:21 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets

The listserv has been amazingly quiet lately. Here's a question I'll toss out in an effort to stimulate some conversation.
 
If you've been caching for awhile there is probably at least one cache you tried to find several times without success.  You REALLY wanted it but it eluded you. Others have found it.  It now may be archived and you'll have to live with your failure forever.  One that comes to mind for me is Ya Skala.  What is yours?
 
Any takers?
 
Jerry
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C3BAA4.F18E96C4-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 4 22:28:24 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 17:28:24 -0500 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets Message-ID: <20031204222841.WEPH27510.fed1mtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1070576904077_AfnqiIxBCy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Of course you'd chime in, Dan. But judging by your own e-mail, I'd have thought you to be too 'Lazy' for it. :) Brian Team A.I. > > From: "Koch, Dan" > Date: 2003/12/04 Thu PM 03:26:48 EST > To: "'listserv@azgeocaching.com'" > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets > > >Does anyone have the GC# of it? > > >Brian > >Team A.I. > > You know, Brian, there's this great resource out there called > azgeocaching.com... ;) heh heh heh :) > > As for cache regrets, I'd say it's 'Kippers in the Desert'. While it's not > one that I couldn't find, it is one that I regretfully never made the > attempt to find. I was at a friends place right down the road from it, had > my GPS in hand, but never made it out there. I had watched that cache for > months (back then there were so few caches around!) and really wanted to > find it since I was so close. Alas, that was not to be and I have nothing > to blame but my own laziness. But then again, I'm not called 'LazyK' for > nothing... > > As for cache embarrasments (not a regret yet because it's still active), > that's definately 'Desert Half Pipe'. a 1/1 cache stumped us for the better > part of an hour. We took our lumps and posted a 'Not Found'. Hopefully, > though, we'll get back out there and find that sucker before it really does > go missing. But then again...refer to the last sentence of the previous > paragraph... > > LazyK - Dan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Casteel [mailto:bcasteel1@cox.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 12:14 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets > > > > Does anyone have the GC# of it? > > Brian > Team A.I. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brent Milner > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 11:40 AM > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets > > If memory serves me correctly, Sparky's Stash was a small paint can that was > stashed in a bush along the southside of a building on the ASU campus. This > building that is located just north across a small street from Gammage > Auditorium. I remember going back twice to find it, and getting totally > lucky. It was hidden behind a very small palm plant. You had to climb up > into the planter area (a feat better advised at night), and when you found > it you needed to call upon your prying skills, because the can was nearly > rusted shut. > > -Brent > (HumNummaHumma -- Formerly of FroBro fame) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Brian > Casteel > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:13 AM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets > > > Isn't that the one on the side of A Mountain? I looked for that sucker for > over an hour at 11PM or so and ended up above it 2 or 3 times > second-guessing myself. But once you get close to the cache itself, it kind > of finds you. > > Brian > Team A.I. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dick Holmes > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:37 AM > Subject: Fw: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: REH@ATT > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets > > Sparky's Stash!!!! > > Dick > Creepin' Jeepers > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gordon L. Flatt > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 9:46 PM > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets > > The one that pops into my mind is the Aqua Fria cache. My first try was by > four wheel drive from the north. At the time, the lake water was up so high > that there was no way to get a land vehicle anywhere near the cache. My > second try was from the south by hiking in on wild burro trails. Got to > within 1.25 miles of it and came to a small version of the Grand Canyon. By > that time I had less than half my water supply left and had to turn back. I > actually did run out of drinking water, but had a fresh gallon in the truck > when I got back to it. In the mean time, the clue I wanted from that cache > to solve the Chain Cache, had been changed to a more accessible cache. I > still haven't gone back to get the Aqua Fria cache, but would like to when > it is accessible by Jeep. > > Gordon > Team Coyote1022 > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jerry > Nelson > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:21 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets > > > The listserv has been amazingly quiet lately. Here's a question I'll toss > out in an effort to stimulate some conversation. > > If you've been caching for awhile there is probably at least one cache you > tried to find several times without success. You REALLY wanted it but it > eluded you. Others have found it. It now may be archived and you'll have to > live with your failure forever. One that comes to mind for me is Ya Skala. > What is yours? > > Any takers? > > Jerry > Offtrail > > > ==== > > This message and any attachments are confidential. Unauthorized use > > or disclosure of this message is strictly prohibited, and this message > > must be destroyed immediately if received by an unauthorized recipient. > > ==== > > > > > > > > > ------=____1070576904077_AfnqiIxBCy Content-Type: text/html; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply" Message
>Does anyone have the GC# of it?
 
>Brian
>Team A.I.
 
You know, Brian, there's this great resource out there called azgeocaching.com... ;)  heh heh heh :)
 
As for cache regrets, I'd say it's 'Kippers in the Desert'.  While it's not one that I couldn't find, it is one that I regretfully never made the attempt to find.  I was at a friends place right down the road from it, had my GPS in hand, but never made it out there.  I had watched that cache for months (back then there were so few caches around!) and really wanted to find it since I was so close.  Alas, that was not to be and I have nothing to blame but my own laziness.  But then again, I'm not called 'LazyK' for nothing...
 
As for cache embarrasments (not a regret yet because it's still active), that's definately 'Desert Half Pipe'.  a 1/1 cache stumped us for the better part of an hour.  We took our lumps and posted a 'Not Found'.  Hopefully, though, we'll get back out there and find that sucker before it really does go missing.  But then again...refer to the last sentence of the previous paragraph...
 
LazyK - Dan
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Casteel [mailto:bcasteel1@cox.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 12:14 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets

Does anyone have the GC# of it?
 
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 11:40 AM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets

If memory serves me correctly, Sparky's Stash was a small paint can that was stashed in a bush along the southside of a building on the ASU campus. This building that is located just north across a small street from Gammage Auditorium. I remember going back twice to find it, and getting totally lucky. It was hidden behind a very small palm plant. You had to climb up into the planter area (a feat better advised at night), and when you found it you needed to call upon your prying skills, because the can was nearly rusted shut.
 
-Brent
(HumNummaHumma -- Formerly of FroBro fame)
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Brian Casteel
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:13 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets

Isn't that the one on the side of A Mountain?  I looked for that sucker for over an hour at 11PM or so and ended up above it 2 or 3 times second-guessing myself.  But once you get close to the cache itself, it kind of finds you.
 
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:37 AM
Subject: Fw: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets

 
----- Original Message -----
From: REH@ATT
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets

Sparky's Stash!!!!
 
Dick
Creepin' Jeepers
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 9:46 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets

The one that pops into my mind is the Aqua Fria cache.  My first try was by four wheel drive from the north.  At the time, the lake water was up so high that there was no way to get a land vehicle anywhere near the cache.  My second try was from the south by hiking in on wild burro trails.  Got to within 1.25 miles of it and came to a small version of the Grand Canyon.  By that time I had less than half my water supply left and had to turn back.  I actually did run out of drinking water, but had a fresh gallon in the truck when I got back to it.  In the mean time, the clue I wanted from that cache to solve the Chain Cache, had been changed to a more accessible cache.  I still haven't gone back to get the Aqua Fria cache, but would like to when it is accessible by Jeep.
 
Gordon
Team Coyote1022
-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jerry Nelson
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:21 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Regrets

The listserv has been amazingly quiet lately. Here's a question I'll toss out in an effort to stimulate some conversation.
 
If you've been caching for awhile there is probably at least one cache you tried to find several times without success.  You REALLY wanted it but it eluded you. Others have found it.  It now may be archived and you'll have to live with your failure forever.  One that comes to mind for me is Ya Skala.  What is yours?
 
Any takers?
 
Jerry
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------=____1070576904077_AfnqiIxBCy-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Dec 6 04:20:35 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 21:20:35 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] A really small world In-Reply-To: <20031204222841.WEPH27510.fed1mtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox. net> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20031205211848.02747b68@mail.myblueheaven.com> For the second time now, a travel bug that we had in the past is going to be at a cache event. This summer I took Team Viagra Bear from the event cache in Phoenix after we had already had it last winter. Just today a travel bug, Lucky #4, was logged into the Tucson event cache. We had that bug with us almost a year ago for 2000 miles of a trip to Idaho and back. Very small world. Scott scott@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Dec 6 18:06:38 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jerry Nelson) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 11:06:38 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Newman Peak Message-ID: <001101c3bc23$b39a0a80$40276a44@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C3BBE9.0532DF60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A few days ago some of us in azcaching chat were talking about the = two-month old cache on Newman Peak, near I10 between Phoenix and Tucson. = It fired me up and I bagged the peak and the cache yesterday. Long = haul for a first find. To answer a couple questions we were wondering about, the cache is near = the true summit, only a couple hundred yards from the towers. There is = no road up. Apparently everything is brought in by helicopter. Jerry Offtrail ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C3BBE9.0532DF60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A few days ago some of us in azcaching = chat were=20 talking about the two-month old cache on Newman Peak, near I10 between = Phoenix=20 and Tucson.  It fired me up and I bagged the peak and the cache=20 yesterday.  Long haul for a first find.
 
To answer a couple questions we were = wondering=20 about, the cache is near the true summit, only a couple hundred yards = from the=20 towers.  There is no road up.  Apparently everything is = brought in by=20 helicopter.
 
Jerry
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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C3BBE9.0532DF60-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Dec 6 19:59:42 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 11:59:42 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Obervation Message-ID: Just wanted to say I had a great time at the Event Cache put on by EvilFISH on Friday night. Great pizza (cheap too!) and it was fun chatting with some of the newbies as well as some of the regulars. It was a fun time. After being out of the geocaching scene for a little while and after the event cache, I was somewhat fired up to go get a cache. Well, I happened to be doing a job in downtown Tempe later this morning and so I thought I would take a look for the very nearby Jacyee Park Cache. I arrived at the coordinates and found there is a Police impound yard or some kind of Police facility on the other side of the wall from the cache. On the wall that is right next to the cache, there is a big and very noticable sign that says "Police survailance area" and some other stuff. Now, they are primarily refering to the other side of the wall. But, with the cameras looking down along the wall. They obviously dont want to see people snooping around the wall there. You will look very suspicious if you are searching for a cache in this area. By reading the clues, the hints were enough to know right where to search for this cache. Unfortunately, the cache is not there. There is a string, but no cache on the end of it. Anyways, this type of cache hide is one of the very reasons I dont enjoy geocaching like I used to and one of the very reasons I have been sitting aside and not caching as of late. Jaycee Park is a big enough park that the cache owner could have hidden this cache in the same fashion it was hidden in someplace else in the park. It didnt have to be RIGHT up against the wall were the police survailance sign is! This is a jackass way to hide a cache. What was the cache owner thinking when he placed this cache!? I consider this cache hide very inconsiderate to fellow cachers and just plain out stupid. This cache certainly doesnt shine a positive light on geocaching, especially if the Tempe police find this cache after seeing people snooping around the wall area, right where they dont want people. There are way too many urban caches out there that dont follow good geocaching etiquette and place geocachers who seek the cache out in an uncomfortable situation, whether intentionally or not (this cache, in my opinion, does so intentionally). The aim here is to obviously place a cache in an area that would require a great amount of stealth so as not to be seen. Is this game suppose to be about going out and trying to find a cache or going out and trying to arouse suspicion and get questioned by local authorities? Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Our best dial-up offer is back. Get MSN Dial-up Internet Service for 6 months @ $9.95/month now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Dec 7 02:12:06 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 21:12:06 -0500 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Obervation Message-ID: <20031207021208.PRJ8432.fed1mtao06.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> I understand where you're coming from with this cache, and to a certain extent I do agree. It isn't the best place for it, but certainly not the worst. One of the facets of the sport is that cachers have the independent choice of deciding whether or not to seek out a cache if they find the area in which it hidden, questionable. By ultimately seeking out the cache, you imply that the problem you had was after-the-fact, not during your attempted log. Overall, I thought it was a very clever idea and enjoyed finding the cache. The problem with the signs is the fear some people experience because they think that it's some sort of trespass being committed because those signs are there. They are for the area behind the wall, which is the Tempe Police Property/Evidence building. Granted, those cameras right above the cache could sweep down and see you. By finding the cache, that's a risk you take. However, every encounter I've had with police officers regarding my caching activities I've used to turn it into a positive learning experience for the officer(s) involved. I would e-mail the cache owner directly and express your concerns and see what can be done to make the cache safer, if anything. Worse case, you could take the stand of logging an archive note and seeing where it goes from there. The objectivity of admins could rule in this if they saw fit, or it would be handled behind the scenes and everyone would be happy. Brian Team A.I. > > From: "RopingThe Wind" > Date: 2003/12/06 Sat PM 02:59:42 EST > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Obervation > > Just wanted to say I had a great time at the Event Cache put on by EvilFISH > on Friday night. Great pizza (cheap too!) and it was fun chatting with some > of the newbies as well as some of the regulars. It was a fun time. > > After being out of the geocaching scene for a little while and after the > event cache, I was somewhat fired up to go get a cache. Well, I happened to > be doing a job in downtown Tempe later this morning and so I thought I would > take a look for the very nearby Jacyee Park Cache. I arrived at the > coordinates and found there is a Police impound yard or some kind of Police > facility on the other side of the wall from the cache. On the wall that is > right next to the cache, there is a big and very noticable sign that says > "Police survailance area" and some other stuff. Now, they are primarily > refering to the other side of the wall. But, with the cameras looking down > along the wall. They obviously dont want to see people snooping around the > wall there. You will look very suspicious if you are searching for a cache > in this area. By reading the clues, the hints were enough to know right > where to search for this cache. Unfortunately, the cache is not there. There > is a string, but no cache on the end of it. > > Anyways, this type of cache hide is one of the very reasons I dont enjoy > geocaching like I used to and one of the very reasons I have been sitting > aside and not caching as of late. Jaycee Park is a big enough park that the > cache owner could have hidden this cache in the same fashion it was hidden > in someplace else in the park. It didnt have to be RIGHT up against the wall > were the police survailance sign is! This is a jackass way to hide a cache. > What was the cache owner thinking when he placed this cache!? I consider > this cache hide very inconsiderate to fellow cachers and just plain out > stupid. This cache certainly doesnt shine a positive light on geocaching, > especially if the Tempe police find this cache after seeing people snooping > around the wall area, right where they dont want people. There are way too > many urban caches out there that dont follow good geocaching etiquette and > place geocachers who seek the cache out in an uncomfortable situation, > whether intentionally or not (this cache, in my opinion, does so > intentionally). The aim here is to obviously place a cache in an area that > would require a great amount of stealth so as not to be seen. Is this game > suppose to be about going out and trying to find a cache or going out and > trying to arouse suspicion and get questioned by local authorities? > > Scott > Team Ropingthewind > > _________________________________________________________________ > Our best dial-up offer is back. Get MSN Dial-up Internet Service for 6 > months @ $9.95/month now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Dec 7 16:37:56 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 08:37:56 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Obervation Message-ID: >From: Brian Casteel >The problem with the signs is the fear some people experience because they >think that it's some >sort of trespass being committed because those signs >are there. You brought about some really good points. However, It is not a fear that I had at all. Which is why, as you mentioned, I after the fact sought out the cache.The very spot the cache is in is still a PUBLIC park and I feel like I should have every right to stand at that very spot and seek out the cache. At that spot, I am standing in a public park on public land and I should be able to seek out that cache (or recreate in any other way) without being questioned (dare I use the word harrassed?) by some authorities. Unfortunately, in today's society, everyone is so freaked out and on edge about every little thing that looks even slightly suspicious. Having a cache in this location is just 'instigating' that mood. I am not saying the cache owner should not have a cache there because it isnt suppose to be there. Again, it is public property and the owner has every right to hide a cache there and I have every right to seek it out. What I am saying is.. I think we as cache owners need to be more careful about where a cache is placed so as not to make the authorities have to be so concerned about what it is we are doing. Does that make sense? There are literally hundreds of feet of fence line in that park and a thousand of those very objects the cache was placed under, thus there was hundreds of places in that park to place this cache using the same method. Why right up against the wall of the Police facilities? I am not trying to pick on this cache in particular. There are others hidden in similar situations. This cache just happens to be the perfect model to get this point across. Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Tired of slow downloads and busy signals? Get a high-speed Internet connection! Comparison-shop your local high-speed providers here. https://broadband.msn.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Dec 8 03:43:05 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Akerman) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 19:43:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Seeking a travel bug I may have picked up at Tucson event cache Message-ID: <20031208034305.70498.qmail@web21101.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1807279671-1070854985=:67882 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To Tucson event cache attendees, Thank you to all who organized the event cache at Reid Park in Tucson on Saturday. I had a great time and I came away with a cache that I will place in a desert mountain range between Tucson and Phoenix next weekend. At the event cache, I thought I picked up the travel bug Roll, but while logging my other travel bugs, I can't find this one. The other three travel bugs that I picked up (in exchange for dropping off four travel bugs and a geocoin) were in the bag where I keep my travel bugs during my geocaching trips. Did any of the attendees pick up this travel bug? If you did, then please contact me. Thank you. Ken Akerman (a.k.a. Highpointer) --0-1807279671-1070854985=:67882 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
To Tucson event cache attendees,
 
Thank you to all who organized the event cache at Reid Park in Tucson on Saturday.  I had a great time and I came away with a cache that I will place in a desert mountain range between Tucson and Phoenix next weekend.
 
At the event cache, I thought I picked up the travel bug Roll, but while logging my other travel bugs, I can't find this one.  The other three travel bugs that I picked up (in exchange for dropping off four travel bugs and a geocoin) were in the bag where I keep my travel bugs during my geocaching trips.
 
Did any of the attendees pick up this travel bug?  If you did, then please contact me.  Thank you.

Ken Akerman (a.k.a. Highpointer)
--0-1807279671-1070854985=:67882-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Dec 8 17:26:48 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brent Milner) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:26:48 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] A really small world In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20031205211848.02747b68@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: Yeah, I found Lucky #4 in Hawaii and brought it back to Arizona with me. I didn't know that it had already been here! -HumNummaHumma (formerly FroBro Q-Tip) -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Scott Wood Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 9:21 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] A really small world For the second time now, a travel bug that we had in the past is going to be at a cache event. This summer I took Team Viagra Bear from the event cache in Phoenix after we had already had it last winter. Just today a travel bug, Lucky #4, was logged into the Tucson event cache. We had that bug with us almost a year ago for 2000 miles of a trip to Idaho and back. Very small world. Scott scott@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ==== This message and any attachments are confidential. Unauthorized use or disclosure of this message is strictly prohibited, and this message must be destroyed immediately if received by an unauthorized recipient. ==== From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 9 07:49:20 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Akerman) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:49:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Travel bug Roll found Message-ID: <20031209074920.3713.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1668291754-1070956160=:3302 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Geocachers, I found the travel bug Roll (it somehow got under my bed at home - not sure how it got there), so now I have all four of the travel bugs that I acquired at Saturday's event cache in Tucson. Thank you to all who responded to me. I brought four travel bugs and one geocoin to the event cache, and it appears that all of the items that I brought have been logged by the geocachers who acquired them, with the exception of POGO, the stick. If you have POGO, then please log your acquisition of the travel bug. I need this in order to complete my log entry. Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) --0-1668291754-1070956160=:3302 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Geocachers,
 
I found the travel bug Roll (it somehow got under my bed at home - not sure how it got there), so now I have all four of the travel bugs that I acquired at Saturday's event cache in Tucson.  Thank you to all who responded to me.
 
I brought four travel bugs and one geocoin to the event cache, and it appears that all of the items that I brought have been logged by the geocachers who acquired them, with the exception of POGO, the stick.  If you have POGO, then please log your acquisition of the travel bug.  I need this in order to complete my log entry.
 
Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer)
--0-1668291754-1070956160=:3302-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 9 16:34:53 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 08:34:53 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Travel bug Roll found Message-ID: >From: Ken Akerman >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Travel bug Roll found >Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:49:20 -0800 (PST) > >Geocachers, > >I found the travel bug Roll (it somehow got under my bed at home - not sure >how it got there), so now I have all four of the travel bugs that I >acquired at Saturday's event cache in Tucson. Thank you to all who >responded to me. > >I brought four travel bugs and one geocoin to the event cache, and it >appears that all of the items that I brought have been logged by the >geocachers who acquired them, with the exception of POGO, the stick. If >you have POGO, then please log your acquisition of the travel bug. I need >this in order to complete my log entry. > >Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) Geez Ken... I knew you really liked travel bugs... but, sleeping with them???? hhhmmmm :) :) :) LOL Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Tired of slow downloads and busy signals? Get a high-speed Internet connection! Comparison-shop your local high-speed providers here. https://broadband.msn.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 11 04:00:56 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:00:56 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] For You History Buffs who Don't Read the Groundspeak Forums Message-ID: <000b01c3bf9b$6365adf0$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3BF60.B706D5F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.guysnamedkim.com/geocache/geocache_history.html Steve Team Tierra Buena ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3BF60.B706D5F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3BF60.B706D5F0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 11 15:30:06 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:30:06 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tap.. Tap.. Hello!!! Is this thing on!!!??? Message-ID: <3FD88D7E.7070808@snaptek.com> Test!!! From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 11 16:04:57 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:04:57 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tap.. Tap.. Hello!!! Is this thing on!!!??? References: <3FD88D7E.7070808@snaptek.com> Message-ID: <000b01c3c000$863e03d0$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> You know there's a problem when the admin is sending test messages on his own system. :) Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Poulter" To: Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:30 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tap.. Tap.. Hello!!! Is this thing on!!!??? > Test!!! > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Dec 12 02:31:59 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Carol King) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:31:59 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] History Message-ID: <3FD9289F.4000108@qwest.net> I thought this history was really interesting. The weird thing is, from the very beginning, people were discussing the same issues that you see come up on the forums over and over again now. Easy caches vs. more challenging, real vs. virtuals, etc. Thanks for this view! Regards, Team Safari From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Dec 12 02:37:24 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:37:24 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tap.. Tap.. Hello!!! Is this thing on!!!??? In-Reply-To: <3FD88D7E.7070808@snaptek.com> Message-ID: <000501c3c058$e1106930$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tap.. Tap.. Hello!!! Is this thing on!!!??? Sure, and I sent the last message... Maybe this will give some folks something to talk about. Came across this rather well-done web site in the Arizona Repugnant the other day. Should be plenty of caches along most of these routes: http://www.arizonascenicroads.com Steve Team Tierra Buena From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Dec 12 02:43:27 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:43:27 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] History In-Reply-To: <3FD9289F.4000108@qwest.net> Message-ID: <001301c3c059$b8c47150$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> > I thought this history was really interesting. The weird thing is, from > the very beginning, people were discussing the same issues that you see > come up on the forums over and over again now. Easy caches vs. more > challenging, real vs. virtuals, etc. I wonder if you also viewed the rather "anti-Jeremy" history that was linked at the bottom of the site? Because it only adds weight to your observation. Steve Team Tierra Buena PS: Carol, "So Far Away" remains one of my all-time favorites (like you've never heard anything like that before, but I couldn't resist.) (Yes, I know she spelled her first name differently, but I still couldn't resist.) S. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Dec 12 04:51:16 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:51:16 -0500 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tap.. Tap.. Hello!!! Is this thing on!!!??? Message-ID: <20031212045116.PGSH9968.fed1mtao05.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Wow, that was just in the Tribune. Usually, they're a solid 1-2 weeks behind anything the Repulsive prints. Brian Team A.I. > > From: "Team Tierra Buena" > Date: 2003/12/11 Thu PM 09:37:24 EST > To: > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tap.. Tap.. Hello!!! Is this thing on!!!??? > > > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tap.. Tap.. Hello!!! Is this thing on!!!??? > > Sure, and I sent the last message... > > Maybe this will give some folks something to talk about. Came across this > rather well-done web site in the Arizona Repugnant the other day. Should be > plenty of caches along most of these routes: > http://www.arizonascenicroads.com > > Steve > Team Tierra Buena > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Dec 12 13:24:34 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Joe Brekke) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 06:24:34 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tap.. Tap.. Hello!!! Is this thing on!!!??? References: <3FD88D7E.7070808@snaptek.com> Message-ID: <001f01c3c0b3$48f80a80$f950a8c0@default> OK. I'll bite.... What is on everyone's Geocaching wish list for Christmas? I'd like to know if there are some fun things out there that I am unaware of that I might want to get. Joe TeamBlunder ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Poulter" To: Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:30 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tap.. Tap.. Hello!!! Is this thing on!!!??? > Test!!! > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Dec 12 16:18:49 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:18:49 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tap.. Tap.. Hello!!! Is this thing on!!!??? References: <3FD88D7E.7070808@snaptek.com> <001f01c3c0b3$48f80a80$f950a8c0@default> Message-ID: <000801c3c0cb$a01e72f0$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> Well, I'd say the new Garmin 60cs would be on my wish list now. That unit is amazing, but pricey. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Brekke" To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Tap.. Tap.. Hello!!! Is this thing on!!!??? > OK. I'll bite.... > > What is on everyone's Geocaching wish list for Christmas? I'd like to know > if there are some fun things out there that I am unaware of that I might > want to get. > > Joe > TeamBlunder > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason Poulter" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:30 AM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tap.. Tap.. Hello!!! Is this thing on!!!??? > > > > Test!!! > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Dec 12 16:41:10 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Akerman) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:41:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Proposed event cache at Picacho Peak State Park: Sunday, March 14, 2004 Message-ID: <20031212164110.72241.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1630518214-1071247270=:72034 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello Arizona Geocachers, Thank you to all who organized the event cache in Tucson last Saturday. I am grateful for winning the new cache. I intend to place it this weekend at an interesting locationd a few miles off I-10 in Pinal County this weekend. It may be on top of a peak, but the elevation of this proposed location is less than Tucson's "A" Mountain and there are a couple of other caches available nearby in the surrounding lowlands. During the event cache, I proposed organizing an event cache at Picacho Peak State Park in March, during the weekend of the Civil War battle reenactments. That would be the second weekend of March, March 13-14, 2004. I organized a similar event for Arizona members of the Highpointers Club in March 2002. There is a large ramada in park, called Cholla Ramada, that one can reserve for the day that is suitable for groups of up to 50 people. The proposed event cache would begin in the morning with a group hike to the summit of Picacho Peak where we would claim the cache on top of the mountain. We would then descend and meet for a barbeque and potluck picnic at Cholla Ramada. If you haven't hiked to the summit of Picacho before, then doing it with other experienced hikers would be a great incentive to complete the hike. However, even if you are unable to do the hike, you still welcome to attend the picnic at Cholla Ramada in the afternoon to claim credit for the event cache. I called Picacho Peak State Park today and the person I spoke with told me that the Cholla Ramada is already reserved for Saturday, March 13. However, it is available for Sunday, March 14. Therefore, I would like to know from anyone who may be interested in attending this proposed event if holding it on a Sunday is a good idea, and if so,would be willing and able to come to Picacho Peak State Park on Sunday, March 14? Thank you. Ken Akerman (a.k.a. Highpointer) --0-1630518214-1071247270=:72034 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hello Arizona Geocachers,
 
Thank you to all who organized the event cache in Tucson last Saturday.  I am grateful for winning the new cache.  I intend to place it this weekend at an interesting locationd a few miles off I-10 in Pinal County this weekend.  It may be on top of a peak, but the elevation of this proposed location is less than Tucson's "A" Mountain and there are a couple of other caches available nearby in the surrounding lowlands.
 
During the event cache, I proposed organizing an event cache at Picacho Peak State Park in March, during the weekend of the Civil War battle reenactments.  That would be the second weekend of March, March 13-14, 2004.  I organized a similar event for Arizona members of the Highpointers Club in March 2002. There is a large ramada in park, called Cholla Ramada, that one can reserve for the day that is suitable for groups of up to 50 people.
 
The proposed event cache would begin in the morning with a group hike to the summit of Picacho Peak where we would claim the cache on top of the mountain.  We would then descend and meet for a barbeque and potluck picnic at Cholla Ramada.  If you haven't hiked to the summit of Picacho before, then doing it with other experienced hikers would be a great incentive to complete the hike.  However, even if you are unable to do the hike, you still welcome to attend the picnic at Cholla Ramada in the afternoon to claim credit for the event cache.
 
I called Picacho Peak State Park today and the person I spoke with told me that the Cholla Ramada is already reserved for Saturday, March 13.  However, it is available for Sunday, March 14. 
 
Therefore, I would like to know from anyone who may be interested in attending this proposed event if holding it on a Sunday is a good idea, and if so,would be willing and able to come to Picacho Peak State Park on Sunday, March 14?  Thank you.
 
Ken Akerman (a.k.a. Highpointer)
 
 
--0-1630518214-1071247270=:72034-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Dec 12 18:30:37 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (howard campbell) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:30:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Proposed event cache at Picacho Peak State Park: Sunday, March 14, 2004 In-Reply-To: <20031212164110.72241.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031212183037.87442.qmail@web41305.mail.yahoo.com> --0-737914185-1071253837=:87069 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ken Akerman wrote:Hello Arizona Geocachers, Thank you to all who organized the event cache in Tucson last Saturday. I am grateful for winning the new cache. I intend to place it this weekend at an interesting locationd a few miles off I-10 in Pinal County this weekend. It may be on top of a peak, but the elevation of this proposed location is less than Tucson's "A" Mountain and there are a couple of other caches available nearby in the surrounding lowlands. During the event cache, I proposed organizing an event cache at Picacho Peak State Park in March, during the weekend of the Civil War battle reenactments. That would be the second weekend of March, March 13-14, 2004. I organized a similar event for Arizona members of the Highpointers Club in March 2002. There is a large ramada in park, called Cholla Ramada, that one can reserve for the day that is suitable for groups of up to 50 people. The proposed event cache would begin in the morning with a group hike to the summit of Picacho Peak where we would claim the cache on top of the mountain. We would then descend and meet for a barbeque and potluck picnic at Cholla Ramada. If you haven't hiked to the summit of Picacho before, then doing it with other experienced hikers would be a great incentive to complete the hike. However, even if you are unable to do the hike, you still welcome to attend the picnic at Cholla Ramada in the afternoon to claim credit for the event cache. I called Picacho Peak State Park today and the person I spoke with told me that the Cholla Ramada is already reserved for Saturday, March 13. However, it is available for Sunday, March 14. Therefore, I would like to know from anyone who may be interested in attending this proposed event if holding it on a Sunday is a good idea, and if so,would be willing and able to come to Picacho Peak State Park on Sunday, March 14? Thank you. Ken Akerman (a.k.a. Highpointer) Team Arrowhead We would in joy a day of hiking the park hope it works out. Howard --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --0-737914185-1071253837=:87069 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii


Ken Akerman <ken@highpointer.com> wrote:
Hello Arizona Geocachers,
 
Thank you to all who organized the event cache in Tucson last Saturday.  I am grateful for winning the new cache.  I intend to place it this weekend at an interesting locationd a few miles off I-10 in Pinal County this weekend.  It may be on top of a peak, but the elevation of this proposed location is less than Tucson's "A" Mountain and there are a couple of other caches available nearby in the surrounding lowlands.
 
During the event cache, I proposed organizing an event cache at Picacho Peak State Park in March, during the weekend of the Civil War battle reenactments.  That would be the second weekend of March, March 13-14, 2004.  I organized a similar event for Arizona members of the Highpointers Club in March 2002. There is a large ramada in park, called Cholla Ramada, that one can reserve for the day that is suitable for groups of up to 50 people.
 
The proposed event cache would begin in the morning with a group hike to the summit of Picacho Peak where we would claim the cache on top of the mountain.  We would then descend and meet for a barbeque and potluck picnic at Cholla Ramada.  If you haven't hiked to the summit of Picacho before, then doing it with other experienced hikers would be a great incentive to complete the hike.  However, even if you are unable to do the hike, you still welcome to attend the picnic at Cholla Ramada in the afternoon to claim credit for the event cache.
 
I called Picacho Peak State Park today and the person I spoke with told me that the Cholla Ramada is already reserved for Saturday, March 13.  However, it is available for Sunday, March 14. 
 
Therefore, I would like to know from anyone who may be interested in attending this proposed event if holding it on a Sunday is a good idea, and if so,would be willing and able to come to Picacho Peak State Park on Sunday, March 14?  Thank you.
 
Ken Akerman (a.k.a. Highpointer)
 
 

Team Arrowhead

We would in joy a day of hiking the park hope it works out.

Howard

Do you Yahoo!?
New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --0-737914185-1071253837=:87069-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Dec 12 18:37:28 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:37:28 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Proposed event cache at Picacho Peak State Park: Sunday, March 14, 2004 References: <20031212183037.87442.qmail@web41305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001601c3c0de$fedc9ed0$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C3C0A4.52613E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable With this kind of notice, I could most likely get the day off. Those = are more difficult to come by these days. Sounds like a great way to = spend a Sunday. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: howard campbell=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Proposed event cache at Picacho Peak = State Park: Sunday, March 14, 2004 Ken Akerman wrote:=20 Hello Arizona Geocachers, Thank you to all who organized the event cache in Tucson last = Saturday. I am grateful for winning the new cache. I intend to place = it this weekend at an interesting locationd a few miles off I-10 in = Pinal County this weekend. It may be on top of a peak, but the = elevation of this proposed location is less than Tucson's "A" Mountain = and there are a couple of other caches available nearby in the = surrounding lowlands. During the event cache, I proposed organizing an event cache at = Picacho Peak State Park in March, during the weekend of the Civil War = battle reenactments. That would be the second weekend of March, March = 13-14, 2004. I organized a similar event for Arizona members of the = Highpointers Club in March 2002. There is a large ramada in park, called = Cholla Ramada, that one can reserve for the day that is suitable for = groups of up to 50 people. The proposed event cache would begin in the morning with a group = hike to the summit of Picacho Peak where we would claim the cache on top = of the mountain. We would then descend and meet for a barbeque and = potluck picnic at Cholla Ramada. If you haven't hiked to the summit of = Picacho before, then doing it with other experienced hikers would be a = great incentive to complete the hike. However, even if you are unable = to do the hike, you still welcome to attend the picnic at Cholla Ramada = in the afternoon to claim credit for the event cache. I called Picacho Peak State Park today and the person I spoke with = told me that the Cholla Ramada is already reserved for Saturday, March = 13. However, it is available for Sunday, March 14. =20 Therefore, I would like to know from anyone who may be interested in = attending this proposed event if holding it on a Sunday is a good idea, = and if so,would be willing and able to come to Picacho Peak State Park = on Sunday, March 14? Thank you. Ken Akerman (a.k.a. Highpointer) Team Arrowhead We would in joy a day of hiking the park hope it works out. Howard -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C3C0A4.52613E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
With this kind of notice, I could most = likely get=20 the day off.  Those are more difficult to come by these days.  = Sounds=20 like a great way to spend a Sunday.
 
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 howard = campbell=20
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 = 11:30=20 AM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = Proposed=20 event cache at Picacho Peak State Park: Sunday, March 14, 2004



Ken Akerman <ken@highpointer.com> = wrote:=20
Hello Arizona Geocachers,
 
Thank you to all who organized the event cache in Tucson last=20 Saturday.  I am grateful for winning the new cache.  I = intend to=20 place it this weekend at an interesting locationd a few miles off = I-10 in=20 Pinal County this weekend.  It may be on top of a peak, but the = elevation of this proposed location is less than Tucson's "A"=20 Mountain and there are a couple of other caches available = nearby in=20 the surrounding lowlands.
 
During the event cache, I proposed organizing an event cache at = Picacho=20 Peak State Park in March, during the weekend of the Civil War battle = reenactments.  That would be the second weekend of March, March = 13-14,=20 2004.  I organized a=20 similar event for Arizona members of the Highpointers Club in March = 2002.=20 There is a large ramada in park, called Cholla Ramada, that one can = reserve=20 for the day that is suitable for groups of up to 50 people.
 
The proposed event cache would begin in the morning with a = group hike=20 to the summit of Picacho Peak where we would claim the=20 cache on top of the mountain.  We would then descend and = meet for a=20 barbeque and potluck picnic at Cholla Ramada.  If you haven't = hiked to=20 the summit of Picacho before, then doing it with other experienced = hikers=20 would be a great incentive to complete the hike.  However, even = if you=20 are unable to do the hike, you still welcome to attend the picnic at = Cholla=20 Ramada in the afternoon to claim credit for the event cache.
 
I called Picacho = Peak=20 State Park today and the person I spoke with told me that = the=20 Cholla Ramada is already reserved for Saturday, March 13.  = However, it=20 is available for Sunday, March 14. 
 
Therefore, I would like to know from anyone who may be = interested in=20 attending this proposed event if holding it on a Sunday is a good = idea, and=20 if so,would be willing and able to come to Picacho Peak State Park = on=20 Sunday, March 14?  Thank you.
 
Ken Akerman (a.k.a.=20 Highpointer)
 
 

Team Arrowhead

We would in joy a day of hiking the park hope it works out.

Howard

Do you Yahoo!?
New=20 Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and = sharing ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C3C0A4.52613E20-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Dec 12 21:46:11 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jerry Nelson) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:46:11 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tap.. Tap.. Hello!!! Is this thing on!!!??? References: <3FD88D7E.7070808@snaptek.com> <001f01c3c0b3$48f80a80$f950a8c0@default> Message-ID: <00bb01c3c0f9$5e286080$40276a44@ph.cox.net> Are you buying Christmas presents for all of us? I can think of some good ones, if so. Jerry Offtrail > OK. I'll bite.... > > What is on everyone's Geocaching wish list for Christmas? I'd like to know > if there are some fun things out there that I am unaware of that I might > want to get. > > Joe > TeamBlunder > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason Poulter" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:30 AM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tap.. Tap.. Hello!!! Is this thing on!!!??? > > > > Test!!! > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Dec 12 22:59:13 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:59:13 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] wish list? Message-ID: Yea Brian, That Garmin 60CS looks really sweet! It is a full 256 color display. They say it is easily readable even in the daylight outside (where other color displays tend to be hard to see). Also, it boasts 56mb of memory for storing maps!!! Not to mention, it will probably have 1000 waypoint storage as well (much like the recent updates to the extrex legend/vista offered). That is one complete GPS! Cant say that I care for the looks of the unit though. It does, however, look extremely tough and looks like it can take some abuse. I suppose my wish list would have to be the Garmin IQue 3600 GPS/PDA. However, each of these units run over $500 and right now I have a perfectly good working Garmin unit! So, gonna save my money to put into my new puter I am building. Give it 6 months and both the above mentioned units will be had for half that price on Ebay or something. Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year — six months @$9.95/month. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Dec 12 23:27:00 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:27:00 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] wish list? References: Message-ID: <000701c3c107$7b6ed9e0$f0104bab@fishkiller> yeah and in 6 months you might find another cache or 2 :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "RopingThe Wind" To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:59 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] wish list? > > Yea Brian, > > That Garmin 60CS looks really sweet! It is a full 256 color display. They > say it is easily readable even in the daylight outside (where other color > displays tend to be hard to see). Also, it boasts 56mb of memory for storing > maps!!! Not to mention, it will probably have 1000 waypoint storage as well > (much like the recent updates to the extrex legend/vista offered). That is > one complete GPS! Cant say that I care for the looks of the unit though. It > does, however, look extremely tough and looks like it can take some abuse. > > I suppose my wish list would have to be the Garmin IQue 3600 GPS/PDA. > > However, each of these units run over $500 and right now I have a perfectly > good working Garmin unit! So, gonna save my money to put into my new puter I > am building. Give it 6 months and both the above mentioned units will be had > for half that price on Ebay or something. > > Scott > Team Ropingthewind > > _________________________________________________________________ > Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year - six months > @$9.95/month. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Dec 13 00:04:21 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Loran Wilcox) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:04:21 -0500 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tap.. Tap.. Hello!!! Is this thing on!!!??? References: <3FD88D7E.7070808@snaptek.com> <001f01c3c0b3$48f80a80$f950a8c0@default> Message-ID: <006f01c3c10c$abecd860$0500a8c0@one> How about a good paying job in AZ so I can come back and cache like crazy again. Team Sand Dollar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Brekke" To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Tap.. Tap.. Hello!!! Is this thing on!!!??? > OK. I'll bite.... > > What is on everyone's Geocaching wish list for Christmas? I'd like to know > if there are some fun things out there that I am unaware of that I might > want to get. > > Joe > TeamBlunder > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason Poulter" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:30 AM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tap.. Tap.. Hello!!! Is this thing on!!!??? > > > > Test!!! > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Dec 13 00:57:20 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:57:20 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Stats You Won't Find on Azgeocaching.com Message-ID: <000301c3c114$1131f820$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C3C0D9.64D32020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On September 14, 2000(!) Bob Renner became the 14th member of of Geocaching.com. (Actually, I think he's the 11th, because the first three "members" are two of Jeremy's accounts and one of his employees.) On September 26 of that same year, the 19th membership was registered to Team Snaptek. Our Arizona pioneers. They've been at it over three years now. There may be other old-timers, but I only looked at the first hundred. Steve Team Tierra Buena PS: I think it's wild that it took 12 days for the site to register five members back then. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C3C0D9.64D32020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On September 14, 2000(!) Bob = Renner became the 14th member of of Geocaching.com. (Actually, I think = he’s the 11th, because the first three “members” are two = of Jeremy’s accounts and one of his employees.)

 

On September 26 of that same year, the = 19th membership was registered to Team Snaptek.

 

Our Arizona = pioneers. They’ve been at it over three years now. There may be other old-timers, but I = only looked at the first hundred.

 

Steve

Team Tierra Buena

PS: I think it’s wild that it took 12 days for = the site to register five members back then.

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C3C0D9.64D32020-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Dec 13 01:43:04 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:43:04 -0500 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] wish list? Message-ID: <20031213014303.YEJV8432.fed1mtao06.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Ouch. Brian Team A.I. > > From: "Regan L Smith" > Date: 2003/12/12 Fri PM 06:27:00 EST > To: > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] wish list? > > yeah and in 6 months you might find another cache or 2 :) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RopingThe Wind" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:59 PM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] wish list? > > > > > > Yea Brian, > > > > That Garmin 60CS looks really sweet! It is a full 256 color display. They > > say it is easily readable even in the daylight outside (where other color > > displays tend to be hard to see). Also, it boasts 56mb of memory for > storing > > maps!!! Not to mention, it will probably have 1000 waypoint storage as > well > > (much like the recent updates to the extrex legend/vista offered). That is > > one complete GPS! Cant say that I care for the looks of the unit though. > It > > does, however, look extremely tough and looks like it can take some abuse. > > > > I suppose my wish list would have to be the Garmin IQue 3600 GPS/PDA. > > > > However, each of these units run over $500 and right now I have a > perfectly > > good working Garmin unit! So, gonna save my money to put into my new puter > I > > am building. Give it 6 months and both the above mentioned units will be > had > > for half that price on Ebay or something. > > > > Scott > > Team Ropingthewind > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year - six months > > @$9.95/month. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Dec 13 02:21:46 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:21:46 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] wish list? Message-ID: >From: Brian Casteel >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] wish list? >Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:43:04 -0500 > >Ouch. > >Brian >Team A.I. > > > > > From: "Regan L Smith" > > Date: 2003/12/12 Fri PM 06:27:00 EST > > To: > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] wish list? > > > > yeah and in 6 months you might find another cache or 2 :) Yea Regan and even at that you still wouldnt be able to catch me in the rankings!!! double ouch!!!!! Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Browse styles for all ages, from the latest looks to cozy weekend wear at MSN Shopping. And check out the beauty products! http://shopping.msn.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Dec 13 06:27:05 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 23:27:05 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] wish list? References: Message-ID: <003f01c3c142$2160cc20$05174bab@fishkiller> na I will just let everyone else pass you.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "RopingThe Wind" To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 7:21 PM Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] wish list? > > >From: Brian Casteel > >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > >Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] wish list? > >Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:43:04 -0500 > > > >Ouch. > > > >Brian > >Team A.I. > > > > > > > > From: "Regan L Smith" > > > Date: 2003/12/12 Fri PM 06:27:00 EST > > > To: > > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] wish list? > > > > > > yeah and in 6 months you might find another cache or 2 :) > > > Yea Regan and even at that you still wouldnt be able to catch me in the > rankings!!! double ouch!!!!! > > Scott > Team Ropingthewind > > _________________________________________________________________ > Browse styles for all ages, from the latest looks to cozy weekend wear at > MSN Shopping. And check out the beauty products! http://shopping.msn.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Dec 13 23:43:59 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:43:59 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] A Mechanic Request Message-ID: <002f01c3c1d2$fc561a20$c70d4bab@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C3C198.4ED0C380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well it has been determined that the TEF cache mobile rear brakes are = like in need of repair, that is replace pads ect. I would much rather pay a cacher who can do the job instead of a = corporate money hungry shop... anyone??? the cache mobile is a 1983 Toyota Cressida ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C3C198.4ED0C380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well it  has been determined that = the TEF=20 cache mobile  rear brakes are like in need of repair, that is = replace pads=20 ect.
 
I would much rather pay a cacher who = can do the job=20 instead of a corporate money hungry shop...
 
anyone???
 
the cache mobile is a 1983 Toyota=20 Cressida
------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C3C198.4ED0C380-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Dec 14 01:35:50 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Carol King) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:35:50 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #1578 - 7 msgs In-Reply-To: <200312130220.TAA24166@ns2.sequoia.net> References: <200312130220.TAA24166@ns2.sequoia.net> Message-ID: <3FDBBE76.5030408@qwest.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080604030301050905040801 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > >Yes, she's a great songwriter and I enjoy the conversation my name usually provokes. Her name is only known to people between about 30 to 65 >older people don't have a clue and younger people usually don't know who she is even though they have lived with her music all their lives. > Off-topic???(we don't have to worry!. I love this forum - lately the"official" Geocaching forums seem so guarded as people are afraid to say what they really think, it's actually gotten kind of boring. I think that Jeremy's vision and the way he directs Admin severely limits the directions that Geocaching could grow. I fought it for a while, but have given up and decided to live with the site as it is. It's a dictatorship, not a democracy. It's still a fun hobby, and a great Web site. Regards, Team Safari az-geocaching-request@listserv.azgeocaching.com wrote: >Send Az-Geocaching mailing list submissions to > az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > az-geocaching-request@listserv.azgeocaching.com > >You can reach the person managing the list at > az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Az-Geocaching digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Proposed event cache at Picacho Peak State Park: Sunday, March 14, 2004 (howard campbell) > 2. Re: Proposed event cache at Picacho Peak State Park: Sunday, March 14, 2004 (Brian Casteel) > 3. Re: Tap.. Tap.. Hello!!! Is this thing on!!!??? (Jerry Nelson) > 4. wish list? (RopingThe Wind) > 5. Re: wish list? (Regan L Smith) > 6. Re: Tap.. Tap.. Hello!!! Is this thing on!!!??? (Loran Wilcox) > 7. Stats You Won't Find on Azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:30:37 -0800 (PST) >From: howard campbell >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Proposed event cache at Picacho Peak State Park: Sunday, March 14, 2004 >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > >--0-737914185-1071253837=:87069 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > >Ken Akerman wrote:Hello Arizona Geocachers, > >Thank you to all who organized the event cache in Tucson last Saturday. I am grateful for winning the new cache. I intend to place it this weekend at an interesting locationd a few miles off I-10 in Pinal County this weekend. It may be on top of a peak, but the elevation of this proposed location is less than Tucson's "A" Mountain and there are a couple of other caches available nearby in the surrounding lowlands. > >During the event cache, I proposed organizing an event cache at Picacho Peak State Park in March, during the weekend of the Civil War battle reenactments. That would be the second weekend of March, March 13-14, 2004. I organized a similar event for Arizona members of the Highpointers Club in March 2002. There is a large ramada in park, called Cholla Ramada, that one can reserve for the day that is suitable for groups of up to 50 people. > >The proposed event cache would begin in the morning with a group hike to the summit of Picacho Peak where we would claim the cache on top of the mountain. We would then descend and meet for a barbeque and potluck picnic at Cholla Ramada. If you haven't hiked to the summit of Picacho before, then doing it with other experienced hikers would be a great incentive to complete the hike. However, even if you are unable to do the hike, you still welcome to attend the picnic at Cholla Ramada in the afternoon to claim credit for the event cache. > >I called Picacho Peak State Park today and the person I spoke with told me that the Cholla Ramada is already reserved for Saturday, March 13. However, it is available for Sunday, March 14. > >Therefore, I would like to know from anyone who may be interested in attending this proposed event if holding it on a Sunday is a good idea, and if so,would be willing and able to come to Picacho Peak State Park on Sunday, March 14? Thank you. > >Ken Akerman (a.k.a. Highpointer) > > > > >Team Arrowhead > >We would in joy a day of hiking the park hope it works out. > >Howard > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >New Yahoo! 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Ken Akerman <ken@highpointer.com> wrote: >
>
Hello Arizona Geocachers,
>
 
>
Thank you to all who organized the event cache in Tucson last Saturday.  I am grateful for winning the new cache.  I intend to place it this weekend at an interesting locationd a few miles off I-10 in Pinal County this weekend.  It may be on top of a peak, but the elevation of this proposed location is less than Tucson's "A" Mountain and there are a couple of other caches available nearby in the surrounding lowlands.
>
 
>
During the event cache, I proposed organizing an event cache at Picacho Peak State Park in March, during the weekend of the Civil War battle reenactments.  That would be the second weekend of March, March 13-14, 2004.  I organized a similar event for Arizona members of the Highpointers Club in March 2002. There is a large ramada in park, called Cholla Ramada, that one can reserve for the day that is suitable for groups of up to 50 people.
>
 
>
The proposed event cache would begin in the morning with a group hike to the summit of Picacho Peak where we would claim the cache on top of the mountain.  We would then descend and meet for a barbeque and potluck picnic at Cholla Ramada.  If you haven't hiked to the summit of Picacho before, then doing it with other experienced hikers would be a great incentive to complete the hike.  However, even if you are unable to do the hike, you still welcome to attend the picnic at Cholla Ramada in the afternoon to claim credit for the event cache.
>
 
>
I called Picacho Peak State Park today and the person I spoke with told me that the Cholla Ramada is already reserved for Saturday, March 13.  However, it is available for Sunday, March 14. 
>
 
>
Therefore, I would like to know from anyone who may be interested in attending this proposed event if holding it on a Sunday is a good idea, and if so,would be willing and able to come to Picacho Peak State Park on Sunday, March 14?  Thank you.
>
 
>
Ken Akerman (a.k.a. Highpointer)
>
 
>
 
>

Team Arrowhead

>

We would in joy a day of hiking the park hope it works out.

>

Howard

>Do you Yahoo!?
>New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing >--0-737914185-1071253837=:87069-- > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >From: "Brian Casteel" >To: >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Proposed event cache at Picacho Peak State Park: Sunday, March 14, 2004 >Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:37:28 -0700 >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C3C0A4.52613E20 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >With this kind of notice, I could most likely get the day off. Those = >are more difficult to come by these days. Sounds like a great way to = >spend a Sunday. > >Brian >Team A.I. > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: howard campbell=20 > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:30 AM > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Proposed event cache at Picacho Peak = >State Park: Sunday, March 14, 2004 > > > > > Ken Akerman wrote:=20 > Hello Arizona Geocachers, > > Thank you to all who organized the event cache in Tucson last = >Saturday. I am grateful for winning the new cache. I intend to place = >it this weekend at an interesting locationd a few miles off I-10 in = >Pinal County this weekend. It may be on top of a peak, but the = >elevation of this proposed location is less than Tucson's "A" Mountain = >and there are a couple of other caches available nearby in the = >surrounding lowlands. > > During the event cache, I proposed organizing an event cache at = >Picacho Peak State Park in March, during the weekend of the Civil War = >battle reenactments. That would be the second weekend of March, March = >13-14, 2004. I organized a similar event for Arizona members of the = >Highpointers Club in March 2002. There is a large ramada in park, called = >Cholla Ramada, that one can reserve for the day that is suitable for = >groups of up to 50 people. > > The proposed event cache would begin in the morning with a group = >hike to the summit of Picacho Peak where we would claim the cache on top = >of the mountain. We would then descend and meet for a barbeque and = >potluck picnic at Cholla Ramada. If you haven't hiked to the summit of = >Picacho before, then doing it with other experienced hikers would be a = >great incentive to complete the hike. However, even if you are unable = >to do the hike, you still welcome to attend the picnic at Cholla Ramada = >in the afternoon to claim credit for the event cache. > > I called Picacho Peak State Park today and the person I spoke with = >told me that the Cholla Ramada is already reserved for Saturday, March = >13. However, it is available for Sunday, March 14. =20 > > Therefore, I would like to know from anyone who may be interested in = >attending this proposed event if holding it on a Sunday is a good idea, = >and if so,would be willing and able to come to Picacho Peak State Park = >on Sunday, March 14? Thank you. > > Ken Akerman (a.k.a. Highpointer) > > > Team Arrowhead > > We would in joy a day of hiking the park hope it works out. > > Howard > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------= >----- > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing >------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C3C0A4.52613E20 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > >charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > >
With this kind of notice, I could most = >likely get=20 >the day off.  Those are more difficult to come by these days.  = >Sounds=20 >like a great way to spend a Sunday.
>
 
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Brian
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Team A.I.
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Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = >Proposed=20 > event cache at Picacho Peak State Park: Sunday, March 14, 2004
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Ken Akerman < = >href=3D"mailto:ken@highpointer.com">ken@highpointer.com> = >wrote:=20 >
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Hello Arizona Geocachers,
>
 
>
Thank you to all who organized the event cache in Tucson last=20 > Saturday.  I am grateful for winning the new cache.  I = >intend to=20 > place it this weekend at an interesting locationd a few miles off = >I-10 in=20 > Pinal County this weekend.  It may be on top of a peak, but the = > > elevation of this proposed location is less than Tucson's = >href=3D"http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3D18bdac7e= >-4808-4c1a-961a-de7f5a43a10c">"A"=20 > Mountain and there are a couple of other caches available = >nearby in=20 > the surrounding lowlands.
>
 
>
During the event cache, I proposed organizing an event cache at = >Picacho=20 > Peak State Park in March, during the weekend of the Civil War battle = > > reenactments.  That would be the second weekend of March, March = >13-14,=20 > 2004.  I organized a = >href=3D"http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/message?forumid=3D3897&me= >ssageid=3D1015789086">=20 > similar event for Arizona members of the href=3D"http://www.highpointers.org/">Highpointers Club in March = >2002.=20 > There is a large ramada in park, called Cholla Ramada, that one can = >reserve=20 > for the day that is suitable for groups of up to 50 people.
>
 
>
The proposed event cache would begin in the morning with a = >group hike=20 > to the summit of Picacho Peak where we would claim = >href=3D"http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3Dae5aa40d= >-a94b-47f0-8bba-4091b57309b9">the=20 > cache on top of the mountain.  We would then descend and = >meet for a=20 > barbeque and potluck picnic at Cholla Ramada.  If you haven't = >hiked to=20 > the summit of Picacho before, then doing it with other experienced = >hikers=20 > would be a great incentive to complete the hike.  However, even = >if you=20 > are unable to do the hike, you still welcome to attend the picnic at = >Cholla=20 > Ramada in the afternoon to claim credit for the event cache.
>
 
>
I called = >href=3D"http://www.pr.state.az.us/Parks/parkhtml/picacho.html">Picacho = >Peak=20 > State Park today and the person I spoke with told me that = >the=20 > Cholla Ramada is already reserved for Saturday, March 13.  = >However, it=20 > is available for Sunday, March 14. 
>
 
>
Therefore, I would like to know from anyone who may be = >interested in=20 > attending this proposed event if holding it on a Sunday is a good = >idea, and=20 > if so,would be willing and able to come to Picacho Peak State Park = >on=20 > Sunday, March 14?  Thank you.
>
 
>
Ken Akerman (a.k.a.=20 > Highpointer)
>
 
>
 
>

Team Arrowhead

>

We would in joy a day of hiking the park hope it works out.

>

Howard

>

>

> Do you Yahoo!?
= >href=3D"http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=3D21260/*http://p= >hotos.yahoo.com">New=20 > Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and = >sharing > >------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C3C0A4.52613E20-- > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 >From: "Jerry Nelson" >To: >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Tap.. Tap.. Hello!!! Is this thing on!!!??? >Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:46:11 -0700 >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > >Are you buying Christmas presents for all of us? I can think of some good >ones, if so. > >Jerry >Offtrail > > > > >>OK. I'll bite.... >> >>What is on everyone's Geocaching wish list for Christmas? I'd like to >> >> >know > > >>if there are some fun things out there that I am unaware of that I might >>want to get. >> >>Joe >>TeamBlunder >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Jason Poulter" >>To: >>Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:30 AM >>Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tap.. Tap.. Hello!!! Is this thing on!!!??? >> >> >> >> >>>Test!!! >>> >>>____________________________________________________________ >>>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >>>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >>>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >>> >>>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>>http://www.azgeocaching.com >>> >>> >>____________________________________________________________ >>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>http://www.azgeocaching.com >> >> > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 4 >From: "RopingThe Wind" >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:59:13 -0800 >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] wish list? >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > >Yea Brian, > >That Garmin 60CS looks really sweet! It is a full 256 color display. They >say it is easily readable even in the daylight outside (where other color >displays tend to be hard to see). Also, it boasts 56mb of memory for storing >maps!!! Not to mention, it will probably have 1000 waypoint storage as well >(much like the recent updates to the extrex legend/vista offered). That is >one complete GPS! Cant say that I care for the looks of the unit though. It >does, however, look extremely tough and looks like it can take some abuse. > >I suppose my wish list would have to be the Garmin IQue 3600 GPS/PDA. > >However, each of these units run over $500 and right now I have a perfectly >good working Garmin unit! So, gonna save my money to put into my new puter I >am building. Give it 6 months and both the above mentioned units will be had >for half that price on Ebay or something. > >Scott >Team Ropingthewind > >_________________________________________________________________ >Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year -- six months >@$9.95/month. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 5 >From: "Regan L Smith" >To: >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] wish list? >Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:27:00 -0700 >Organization: Team Evil Fish >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > >yeah and in 6 months you might find another cache or 2 :) >----- Original Message ----- >From: "RopingThe Wind" >To: >Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:59 PM >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] wish list? > > > > >>Yea Brian, >> >>That Garmin 60CS looks really sweet! It is a full 256 color display. They >>say it is easily readable even in the daylight outside (where other color >>displays tend to be hard to see). Also, it boasts 56mb of memory for >> >> >storing > > >>maps!!! Not to mention, it will probably have 1000 waypoint storage as >> >> >well > > >>(much like the recent updates to the extrex legend/vista offered). That is >>one complete GPS! Cant say that I care for the looks of the unit though. >> >> >It > > >>does, however, look extremely tough and looks like it can take some abuse. >> >>I suppose my wish list would have to be the Garmin IQue 3600 GPS/PDA. >> >>However, each of these units run over $500 and right now I have a >> >> >perfectly > > >>good working Garmin unit! So, gonna save my money to put into my new puter >> >> >I > > >>am building. Give it 6 months and both the above mentioned units will be >> >> >had > > >>for half that price on Ebay or something. >> >>Scott >>Team Ropingthewind >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year - six months >>@$9.95/month. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup >> >>____________________________________________________________ >>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>http://www.azgeocaching.com >> >> > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 6 >From: "Loran Wilcox" >To: >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Tap.. Tap.. Hello!!! Is this thing on!!!??? >Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:04:21 -0500 >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > >How about a good paying job in AZ so I can come back and cache like crazy >again. > >Team Sand Dollar > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Joe Brekke" >To: >Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 8:24 AM >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Tap.. Tap.. Hello!!! Is this thing on!!!??? > > > > >>OK. I'll bite.... >> >>What is on everyone's Geocaching wish list for Christmas? I'd like to >> >> >know > > >>if there are some fun things out there that I am unaware of that I might >>want to get. >> >>Joe >>TeamBlunder >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Jason Poulter" >>To: >>Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:30 AM >>Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tap.. Tap.. Hello!!! Is this thing on!!!??? >> >> >> >> >>>Test!!! >>> >>>____________________________________________________________ >>>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >>>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >>>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >>> >>>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>>http://www.azgeocaching.com >>> >>> >>____________________________________________________________ >>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>http://www.azgeocaching.com >> >> > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 7 >From: "Team Tierra Buena" >To: "Arizona Geocaching" >Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:57:20 -0700 >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Stats You Won't Find on Azgeocaching.com >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C3C0D9.64D32020 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >On September 14, 2000(!) Bob Renner became the 14th member of of >Geocaching.com. (Actually, I think he's the 11th, because the first three >"members" are two of Jeremy's accounts and one of his employees.) > > > >On September 26 of that same year, the 19th membership was registered to >Team Snaptek. > > > >Our Arizona pioneers. They've been at it over three years now. There may be >other old-timers, but I only looked at the first hundred. > > > >Steve > >Team Tierra Buena > >PS: I think it's wild that it took 12 days for the site to register five >members back then. > > >------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C3C0D9.64D32020 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > >charset=3Dus-ascii"> > > > > > > > > > > >
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; >font-family:Arial'>On September 14, 2000(!) face=3DArial>Bob = >Rennersize=3D2 face=3DArial>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> became the >14th member of of Geocaching.com. (Actually, I think = >he’s the >11th, because the first three “members” are two = >of >Jeremy’s accounts and one of his employees.)

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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; >font-family:Arial'>On September 26 of that same year, the = >19th membership >was registered to Team Snaptek.

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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; >font-family:Arial'>Our = >style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Arizonasize=3D2 >face=3DArial> = >pioneers. They’ve >been at it over three years now. There may be other old-timers, but I = >only >looked at the first hundred.

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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; >font-family:Arial'>PS: I think it’s wild that it took 12 days for = >the >site to register five members back then.

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Yes, she's a great songwriter and I enjoy the conversation my name usually provokes. Her name is only known to people between about 30 to 65
older people don't have a clue and younger people usually don't know who she is even though they have lived with her music all their lives.

Off-topic???(we don't have to worry!. I love this forum - lately the"official" Geocaching forums seem so guarded as people are afraid to say what they really think, it's actually gotten kind of boring. I think that Jeremy's vision and the way he directs Admin severely limits the directions that Geocaching could grow. I fought it for a while, but have given up and decided to live with the site as it is. It's a dictatorship, not a democracy. It's still a fun hobby, and a great Web site. Regards, Team Safari

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Proposed event cache at Picacho Peak State Park:  Sunday, March 14, 2004 (howard campbell)
   2. Re: Proposed event cache at Picacho Peak State Park:  Sunday, March 14, 2004 (Brian Casteel)
   3. Re: Tap.. Tap.. Hello!!! Is this thing on!!!??? (Jerry Nelson)
   4. wish list? (RopingThe Wind)
   5. Re: wish list? (Regan L Smith)
   6. Re: Tap.. Tap.. Hello!!! Is this thing on!!!??? (Loran  Wilcox)
   7. Stats You Won't Find on Azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena)

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:30:37 -0800 (PST)
From: howard campbell <fox153@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Proposed event cache at Picacho Peak State Park:  Sunday, March 14, 2004
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Ken Akerman <ken@highpointer.com> wrote:Hello Arizona Geocachers,
 
Thank you to all who organized the event cache in Tucson last Saturday.  I am grateful for winning the new cache.  I intend to place it this weekend at an interesting locationd a few miles off I-10 in Pinal County this weekend.  It may be on top of a peak, but the elevation of this proposed location is less than Tucson's "A" Mountain and there are a couple of other caches available nearby in the surrounding lowlands.
 
During the event cache, I proposed organizing an event cache at Picacho Peak State Park in March, during the weekend of the Civil War battle reenactments.  That would be the second weekend of March, March 13-14, 2004.  I organized a similar event for Arizona members of the Highpointers Club in March 2002. There is a large ramada in park, called Cholla Ramada, that one can reserve for the day that is suitable for groups of up to 50 people.
 
The proposed event cache would begin in the morning with a group hike to the summit of Picacho Peak where we would claim the cache on top of the mountain.  We would then descend and meet for a barbeque and potluck picnic at Cholla Ramada.  If you haven't hiked to the summit of Picacho before, then doing it with other experienced hikers would be a great incentive to complete the hike.  However, even if you are unable to do the hike, you still welcome to attend the picnic at Cholla Ramada in the afternoon to claim credit for the event cache.
 
I called Picacho Peak State Park today and the person I spoke with told me that the Cholla Ramada is already reserved for Saturday, March 13.  However, it is available for Sunday, March 14.  
 
Therefore, I would like to know from anyone who may be interested in attending this proposed event if holding it on a Sunday is a good idea, and if so,would be willing and able to come to Picacho Peak State Park on Sunday, March 14?  Thank you.
 
Ken Akerman (a.k.a. Highpointer)
 
 


Team Arrowhead

We would in joy a day of hiking the park hope it works out.

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<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Ken Akerman &lt;ken@highpointer.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:
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<DIV>Hello Arizona Geocachers,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thank you to all who organized the event cache in Tucson last Saturday.&nbsp; I am grateful for winning the new cache.&nbsp; I intend to place it this weekend at an interesting locationd a few miles off I-10 in Pinal County this weekend.&nbsp; It may be on top of a peak, but the elevation of this proposed location&nbsp;is less than Tucson's <A href="http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=18bdac7e-4808-4c1a-961a-de7f5a43a10c">"A" Mountain</A>&nbsp;and there are a couple of other caches available nearby in the surrounding lowlands.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>During the event cache, I proposed organizing an event cache at Picacho Peak State Park in March, during the weekend of the Civil War battle reenactments.&nbsp; That would be the second weekend of March, March 13-14, 2004.&nbsp; I organized a<A href="http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/message?forumid=3897&amp;messageid=1015789086"> similar event </A>for Arizona members of the <A href="http://www.highpointers.org/">Highpointers Club</A> in March 2002. There is a large ramada in park, called Cholla Ramada, that one can reserve for the day that is suitable for groups of up to 50 people.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The proposed event cache would begin in the morning with a group hike to the summit of Picacho Peak where we would claim <A href="http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=ae5aa40d-a94b-47f0-8bba-4091b57309b9">the cache on top of the mountain</A>.&nbsp; We would then descend and meet for a barbeque and potluck picnic at Cholla Ramada.&nbsp; If you haven't hiked to the summit of Picacho before, then doing it with other experienced hikers would be a great incentive to complete the hike.&nbsp; However, even if you are unable to do the hike, you still welcome to attend the picnic at Cholla Ramada in the afternoon to claim credit for the event cache.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I called <A href="http://www.pr.state.az.us/Parks/parkhtml/picacho.html">Picacho Peak State&nbsp;Park</A> today and the person I spoke with told me that the Cholla Ramada is already reserved for Saturday, March 13.&nbsp; However, it is available for Sunday, March 14.&nbsp; </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Therefore, I would like to know from anyone who may be interested in attending this proposed event if holding it on a Sunday is a good idea, and if so,would be willing and able to come to Picacho Peak State Park on Sunday, March 14?&nbsp; Thank you.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Ken Akerman</STRONG> (a.k.a. <STRONG><EM>Highpointer</EM></STRONG>)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<P>Team Arrowhead</P>
<P>We would in joy a day of hiking the park hope it works out.</P>
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From: "Brian Casteel" <bcasteel1@cox.net>
To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Proposed event cache at Picacho Peak State Park:  Sunday, March 14, 2004
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:37:28 -0700
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With this kind of notice, I could most likely get the day off.  Those =
are more difficult to come by these days.  Sounds like a great way to =
spend a Sunday.

Brian
Team A.I.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: howard campbell=20
  To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
  Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Proposed event cache at Picacho Peak =
State Park: Sunday, March 14, 2004




  Ken Akerman <ken@highpointer.com> wrote:=20
    Hello Arizona Geocachers,

    Thank you to all who organized the event cache in Tucson last =
Saturday.  I am grateful for winning the new cache.  I intend to place =
it this weekend at an interesting locationd a few miles off I-10 in =
Pinal County this weekend.  It may be on top of a peak, but the =
elevation of this proposed location is less than Tucson's "A" Mountain =
and there are a couple of other caches available nearby in the =
surrounding lowlands.

    During the event cache, I proposed organizing an event cache at =
Picacho Peak State Park in March, during the weekend of the Civil War =
battle reenactments.  That would be the second weekend of March, March =
13-14, 2004.  I organized a similar event for Arizona members of the =
Highpointers Club in March 2002. There is a large ramada in park, called =
Cholla Ramada, that one can reserve for the day that is suitable for =
groups of up to 50 people.

    The proposed event cache would begin in the morning with a group =
hike to the summit of Picacho Peak where we would claim the cache on top =
of the mountain.  We would then descend and meet for a barbeque and =
potluck picnic at Cholla Ramada.  If you haven't hiked to the summit of =
Picacho before, then doing it with other experienced hikers would be a =
great incentive to complete the hike.  However, even if you are unable =
to do the hike, you still welcome to attend the picnic at Cholla Ramada =
in the afternoon to claim credit for the event cache.

    I called Picacho Peak State Park today and the person I spoke with =
told me that the Cholla Ramada is already reserved for Saturday, March =
13.  However, it is available for Sunday, March 14. =20

    Therefore, I would like to know from anyone who may be interested in =
attending this proposed event if holding it on a Sunday is a good idea, =
and if so,would be willing and able to come to Picacho Peak State Park =
on Sunday, March 14?  Thank you.

    Ken Akerman (a.k.a. Highpointer)


  Team Arrowhead

  We would in joy a day of hiking the park hope it works out.

  Howard



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Brian</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV>Thank you to all who organized the event cache in Tucson last=20
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intend to=20
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    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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From: "Jerry Nelson" <peakbagger2@cox.net>
To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Tap.. Tap.. Hello!!! Is this thing on!!!???
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:46:11 -0700
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com



Are you buying Christmas presents for all of us?  I can think of some good
ones, if so.

Jerry
Offtrail


  
OK.  I'll bite....

What is on everyone's Geocaching wish list for Christmas?  I'd like to
    
know
  
if there are some fun things out there that I am unaware of that I might
want to get.

Joe
TeamBlunder


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From: "Jason Poulter" <polt@snaptek.com>
To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:30 AM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tap.. Tap.. Hello!!! Is this thing on!!!???


    
Test!!!

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Message: 4
From: "RopingThe Wind" <arizcowboy@hotmail.com>
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:59:13 -0800
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] wish list?
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com


Yea Brian,

That Garmin 60CS looks really sweet! It is a full 256 color display. They 
say it is easily readable even in the daylight outside (where other color 
displays tend to be hard to see). Also, it boasts 56mb of memory for storing 
maps!!! Not to mention, it will probably have 1000 waypoint storage as well 
(much like the recent updates to the extrex legend/vista offered). That is 
one complete GPS! Cant say that I care for the looks of the unit though. It 
does, however, look extremely tough and looks like it can take some abuse.

I suppose my wish list would have to be the Garmin IQue 3600 GPS/PDA.

However, each of these units run over $500 and right now I have a perfectly 
good working Garmin unit! So, gonna save my money to put into my new puter I 
am building. Give it 6 months and both the above mentioned units will be had 
for half that price on Ebay or something.

Scott
Team Ropingthewind

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Message: 5
From: "Regan L Smith" <buggers@mindspring.com>
To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] wish list?
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:27:00 -0700
Organization: Team Evil Fish
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

yeah and in 6 months you might find another cache or 2 :)
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From: "RopingThe Wind" <arizcowboy@hotmail.com>
To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:59 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] wish list?


  
Yea Brian,

That Garmin 60CS looks really sweet! It is a full 256 color display. They
say it is easily readable even in the daylight outside (where other color
displays tend to be hard to see). Also, it boasts 56mb of memory for
    
storing
  
maps!!! Not to mention, it will probably have 1000 waypoint storage as
    
well
  
(much like the recent updates to the extrex legend/vista offered). That is
one complete GPS! Cant say that I care for the looks of the unit though.
    
It
  
does, however, look extremely tough and looks like it can take some abuse.

I suppose my wish list would have to be the Garmin IQue 3600 GPS/PDA.

However, each of these units run over $500 and right now I have a
    
perfectly
  
good working Garmin unit! So, gonna save my money to put into my new puter
    
I
  
am building. Give it 6 months and both the above mentioned units will be
    
had
  
for half that price on Ebay or something.

Scott
Team Ropingthewind

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Message: 6
From: "Loran  Wilcox" <loranwilcox@chartermi.net>
To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Tap.. Tap.. Hello!!! Is this thing on!!!???
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:04:21 -0500
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

How about a good paying job in AZ so I can come back and cache like crazy
again.

Team Sand Dollar

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Brekke" <joenveng@cableaz.com>
To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Tap.. Tap.. Hello!!! Is this thing on!!!???


  
OK.  I'll bite....

What is on everyone's Geocaching wish list for Christmas?  I'd like to
    
know
  
if there are some fun things out there that I am unaware of that I might
want to get.

Joe
TeamBlunder


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From: "Jason Poulter" <polt@snaptek.com>
To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:30 AM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tap.. Tap.. Hello!!! Is this thing on!!!???


    
Test!!!

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Message: 7
From: "Team Tierra Buena" <TeamTierraBuena@earthlink.net>
To: "Arizona Geocaching" <az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:57:20 -0700
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Stats You Won't Find on Azgeocaching.com
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On September 14, 2000(!) Bob Renner became the 14th member of of
Geocaching.com. (Actually, I think he's the 11th, because the first three
"members" are two of Jeremy's accounts and one of his employees.)

 

On September 26 of that same year, the 19th membership was registered to
Team Snaptek.

 

Our Arizona pioneers. They've been at it over three years now. There may be
other old-timers, but I only looked at the first hundred.

 

Steve

Team Tierra Buena

PS: I think it's wild that it took 12 days for the site to register five
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--------------080604030301050905040801-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Dec 14 04:14:03 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bob Renner) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:14:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Stats You Won't Find on Azgeocaching.com In-Reply-To: <000301c3c114$1131f820$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <20031214041403.85953.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Steve, I'm confused on how you got the numbers you mentioned below. I used the following url to find my profile and I had to put in 46 to get mine. http://www.geocaching.com/profile/default.aspx?A=46 That would make me the 46th person to register with geocaching.com. I put in numbers from 1 to 50 (and a few others beyond that, and generated the following table. Bob 1 ? 2 ? 3 Jeremy (June 01, 2000) The date when he "started" the site. 4 yngve (September 01, 2000) The date Jeremy started entering other users into the data base. 5 Elias 6 GoodDogSD 7 mcb 8 alan 9 ? 10 ? 11 anzacis 12 SirNyt 13 robamy 14 jandkl 15 george71 16 stevej 17 phth 18 jafos 19 bnolan 20 Kansas Stasher 21 ? 22 kluso 23 MadCat 24 Moun10Bike 25 TEAM SNAKEBUSTERS (September 5, 2000) (a.k.a. Dan Rich) Owner of Arizona's first cache 26 eric 27 max.wheatley 28 john13729 29 aard 30 rodespain 31 The Flying Dutchman 32 nz_etrex 33 bjwkjw 34 geogeek 35 9997socal 36 Fast_Shadow 37 rnorman 38 Brendano 39 gahpee 40 scott 41 jvechinski 42 leaper64 43 TractorRX 44 cavefrog 45 wakko 46 Bob Renner (September 14, 2000) 47 grossman 48 mikefrazier 49 ? 50 maddog . . . 176 Team Snaptek (September 26, 2000) . . . 324 cmaness (October 10, 2000) First finder of "T824 Table Mesa" cache . . . 15673 Team Tierra Buena (July 23, 2001) --- Team Tierra Buena wrote: > On September 14, 2000(!) Bob Renner became the 14th > member of of > Geocaching.com. (Actually, I think he's the 11th, > because the first three > "members" are two of Jeremy's accounts and one of > his employees.) > > > > On September 26 of that same year, the 19th > membership was registered to > Team Snaptek. > > > > Our Arizona pioneers. They've been at it over three > years now. There may be > other old-timers, but I only looked at the first > hundred. > > > > Steve > > Team Tierra Buena > > PS: I think it's wild that it took 12 days for the > site to register five > members back then. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Dec 14 04:56:25 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:56:25 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Stats You Won't Find on Azgeocaching.com In-Reply-To: <20031214041403.85953.qmail@web40706.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000201c3c1fe$a0e87a30$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> > I'm confused on how you got the numbers you mentioned below. Bob, Make sure you're logged in to gc.com, and go to the forums (http://forums.groundspeak.com/GC/). Click on the "Members" link in the upper right corner of that page and you'll be taken to the "Member List" page. Scroll down to the bottom of that page, and choose the following from the dropdowns: "All Members" by "Join Date" in "Ascending Order", and more than 10 results per page. Scroll down till you see you. Count upwards from there. Maybe some of those accounts you found have been deactivated and therefore don't show up in this list? The site will do that if for example, they get email bounces on the account over a period of time. Steve Team Tierra Buena From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Dec 14 18:03:46 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Sparks) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:03:46 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 1k AZ finds Message-ID: <3FDCA602.1040007@mchsi.com> Congrats to azsaluki for being the first to log 1000 Arizona Finds! (As reported on azgeocaching.com.) -- Team Sprocket From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Dec 15 22:02:51 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:02:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Stats You Won't Find on Azgeocaching.com Message-ID: <20031215140251.24876.h015.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Hm, that must mean I am somewhere in the early 15,000's as I registered July...1? 2? 2001, before Team Tierra Buena Trisha "Lightning" Prescott On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:14:03 -0800 (PST), Bob Renner wrote: > > Steve, > > I'm confused on how you got the numbers you mentioned > below. I used the following url to find my profile > and I had to put in 46 to get mine. > > http://www.geocaching.com/profile/default.aspx?A=46 > > That would make me the 46th person to register with > geocaching.com. I put in numbers from 1 to 50 (and a > few others beyond that, and generated the following > table. > > Bob > > 1 ? > 2 ? > 3 Jeremy (June 01, 2000) > The date when he "started" the site. > 4 yngve (September 01, 2000) > The date Jeremy started entering > other users into the data base. > 5 Elias > 6 GoodDogSD > 7 mcb > 8 alan > 9 ? > 10 ? > 11 anzacis > 12 SirNyt > 13 robamy > 14 jandkl > 15 george71 > 16 stevej > 17 phth > 18 jafos > 19 bnolan > 20 Kansas Stasher > 21 ? > 22 kluso > 23 MadCat > 24 Moun10Bike > 25 TEAM SNAKEBUSTERS (September 5, 2000) > (a.k.a. Dan Rich) > Owner of Arizona's first cache > 26 eric > 27 max.wheatley > 28 john13729 > 29 aard > 30 rodespain > 31 The Flying Dutchman > 32 nz_etrex > 33 bjwkjw > 34 geogeek > 35 9997socal > 36 Fast_Shadow > 37 rnorman > 38 Brendano > 39 gahpee > 40 scott > 41 jvechinski > 42 leaper64 > 43 TractorRX > 44 cavefrog > 45 wakko > 46 Bob Renner (September 14, 2000) > 47 grossman > 48 mikefrazier > 49 ? > 50 maddog > . > . > . > 176 Team Snaptek (September 26, 2000) > . > . > . > 324 cmaness (October 10, 2000) > First finder of "T824 Table Mesa" cache > . > . > . > 15673 Team Tierra Buena (July 23, 2001) > > > > > --- Team Tierra Buena > wrote: > > On September 14, 2000(!) Bob Renner became the 14th > > member of of > > Geocaching.com. (Actually, I think he's the 11th, > > because the first three > > "members" are two of Jeremy's accounts and one of > > his employees.) > > > > > > > > On September 26 of that same year, the 19th > > membership was registered to > > Team Snaptek. > > > > > > > > Our Arizona pioneers. They've been at it over three > > years now. There may be > > other old-timers, but I only looked at the first > > hundred. > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > Team Tierra Buena > > > > PS: I think it's wild that it took 12 days for the > > site to register five > > members back then. > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 16 20:23:57 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Akerman) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:23:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Two travel bugs at event cache not yet accounted for In-Reply-To: <20031216195130.2BECA132CF7@signal.groundspeak.com> Message-ID: <20031216202357.7890.qmail@web21110.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1810990947-1071606237=:7480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello Geocachers, 2003 Tucson Geocaching Extravaganza has now been archived. There are two travel bugs that were brought to this event but haven't been logged by the geocachers who took them. These include a travel bug that I own, Mi-Co-To Campfire Club, and a travel bug that I found in Phoenix a week earlier, Herbert, Your Schroom Buddy. If you have either of these travel bugs, please go to the respective travel bug page and enter the six-digit number on the tag to put it in you inventory before putting it in another cache. If you find either of those travel bugs in another cache without it being logged into it, please log the travel bug into the cache you found it in before claiming possession of it. Thank you. Ken Akerman (a.k.a. Highpointer) Greetings from Geocaching.com. This is an automated message letting you know that a cache on your watch list has been archived. You can read the message by visiting the following link http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=96757 This will take you to the cache page. If you would like to modify your cache list, please visit www.geocaching.com. Cheers, Geocaching.com Team --0-1810990947-1071606237=:7480 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hello Geocachers,
 
2003 Tucson Geocaching Extravaganza has now been archived.  There are two travel bugs that were brought to this event but haven't been logged by the geocachers who took them.  These include a travel bug that I own, Mi-Co-To Campfire Club, and a travel bug that I found in Phoenix a week earlier, Herbert, Your Schroom Buddy.
 
If you have either of these travel bugs, please go to the respective travel bug page and enter the six-digit number on the tag to put it in you inventory before putting it in another cache.  If you find either of those travel bugs in another cache without it being logged into it, please log the travel bug into the cache you found it in before claiming possession of it.  Thank you.
 
Ken Akerman (a.k.a. Highpointer)
Greetings from Geocaching.com.

This is an automated message letting you know that a cache on your watch list has been archived. You can read the message by visiting the following link

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=96757

This will take you to the cache page. If you would like to modify your cache list, please visit www.geocaching.com.

Cheers,
Geocaching.com Team
--0-1810990947-1071606237=:7480-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Dec 17 04:13:38 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Rob Brinkerhoff) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:13:38 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Two travel bugs at event cache not yet accounted for References: <20031216202357.7890.qmail@web21110.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001001c3c454$25b63160$2b900044@tc.ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3C419.7924FEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ken, Looks to me like Herbert, Your Schroom Buddy was grabbed by a certain cacher and taken home and is still in that cachers possession. The problem is another cacher decided to log the TB (for what ever reason?) and then replaced it back in the cache, thus making it look like the TB is stranded High and dry in the cache...just a theory of course. As for Mi-Co-To Campfire Club your guess is a good as mine. One thing that I noted with allot of the TBs that exchanged hands at this event is several teams logged finds for TBs (i.e. write down tracking numbers and logging that the TB was "seen" thus jacking up ones TB count) but did not move the TB to a different location. Odd behavior if you ask me. The only metric that counts is D+T...;-) Rob (Wily Javelina) ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Akerman To: Geocaching.com Automated Bot Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 1:23 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Two travel bugs at event cache not yet accounted for Hello Geocachers, 2003 Tucson Geocaching Extravaganza has now been archived. There are two travel bugs that were brought to this event but haven't been logged by the geocachers who took them. These include a travel bug that I own, Mi-Co-To Campfire Club, and a travel bug that I found in Phoenix a week earlier, Herbert, Your Schroom Buddy. If you have either of these travel bugs, please go to the respective travel bug page and enter the six-digit number on the tag to put it in you inventory before putting it in another cache. If you find either of those travel bugs in another cache without it being logged into it, please log the travel bug into the cache you found it in before claiming possession of it. Thank you. Ken Akerman (a.k.a. Highpointer) Greetings from Geocaching.com. This is an automated message letting you know that a cache on your watch list has been archived. You can read the message by visiting the following link http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=96757 This will take you to the cache page. If you would like to modify your cache list, please visit www.geocaching.com. Cheers, Geocaching.com Team ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3C419.7924FEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ken,
Looks to me like Herbert, Your Schroom = Buddy was=20 grabbed by a certain cacher and taken home and is still in that cachers=20 possession. The problem is another cacher decided to log the TB (for = what ever=20 reason?) and then replaced it back in the cache, thus making it look = like the TB=20 is stranded High and dry in the cache...just a theory of course. As for = Mi-Co-To Campfire = Club your guess=20 is a good as mine.
 
One thing that I noted with allot of = the TBs that=20 exchanged hands at this event is several teams logged finds for TBs = (i.e. write=20 down tracking numbers and logging that the TB was "seen" thus jacking up = ones TB=20 count) but did not move the TB to a different location. Odd behavior if = you ask=20 me.
 
The only metric that counts is=20 D+T...;-)
 
Rob (Wily Javelina)
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ken = Akerman=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, = 2003 1:23=20 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Two = travel bugs=20 at event cache not yet accounted for

Hello Geocachers,
 
200= 3=20 Tucson Geocaching Extravaganza has now been archived.  There = are two=20 travel bugs that were brought to this event but haven't been logged by = the=20 geocachers who took them.  These include a travel bug that I own, = Mi-C= o-To=20 Campfire Club, and a travel bug that I found in Phoenix a week = earlier, Herb= ert, Your=20 Schroom Buddy.
 
If you have either of these travel bugs, please go to the = respective=20 travel bug page and enter the six-digit number on the tag to put it in = you=20 inventory before putting it in another cache.  If you find either = of=20 those travel bugs in another cache without it being logged into it, = please log=20 the travel bug into the cache you found it in before claiming = possession of=20 it.  Thank you.
 
Ken Akerman (a.k.a.=20 Highpointer)
Greetings=20 from Geocaching.com.

This is an automated message letting you = know=20 that a cache on your watch list has been archived. You can read the = message=20 by visiting the following link

htt= p://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=3D96757

This = will take you to the cache page. If you would like to modify your = cache=20 list, please visit = www.geocaching.com.

Cheers,
Geocaching.com=20 Team
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3C419.7924FEC0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Dec 17 18:58:50 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jerry Nelson) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:58:50 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 1k AZ finds References: <3FDCA602.1040007@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <008301c3c4cf$d0c5bc80$38fe6a44@ph.cox.net> More congratulation from here. That's a true milestone. Jerry Offtrail > Congrats to azsaluki for being the first to log 1000 Arizona Finds! (As > reported on azgeocaching.com.) > > -- Team Sprocket > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Dec 17 20:44:04 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:44:04 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 1k AZ finds In-Reply-To: <008301c3c4cf$d0c5bc80$38fe6a44@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <004801c3c4de$824a5840$1c01a8c0@connie> Indeed, congratulations. I definiatley know the effort put forth for this achievement. Long may you rein as number one in Arizona (as I know Larry doesn't have the energy anymore to maintain this rank ;) ). Connie Team "Wyle E" > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jerry > Nelson > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:59 AM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] 1k AZ finds > > > More congratulation from here. That's a true milestone. > > Jerry > Offtrail > > > > > Congrats to azsaluki for being the first to log 1000 Arizona Finds! (As > > reported on azgeocaching.com.) > > > > -- Team Sprocket > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 18 00:04:32 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:04:32 -0500 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 1k AZ finds Message-ID: <20031218000430.FVRP8432.fed1mtao06.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> I too offer my congratulations. It was certainly a long road to get there, and probably a very enjoyable one at that. Brian Team A.I. > > From: connie.farquhar@cox.net > Date: 2003/12/17 Wed PM 03:44:04 EST > To: > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] 1k AZ finds > > Indeed, congratulations. I definiatley know the effort put forth for this > achievement. Long may you rein as number one in Arizona (as I know Larry > doesn't have the energy anymore to maintain this rank ;) ). > Connie > Team "Wyle E" > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jerry > > Nelson > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:59 AM > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] 1k AZ finds > > > > > > More congratulation from here. That's a true milestone. > > > > Jerry > > Offtrail > > > > > > > > > Congrats to azsaluki for being the first to log 1000 Arizona Finds! (As > > > reported on azgeocaching.com.) > > > > > > -- Team Sprocket > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 18 00:07:20 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:07:20 -0500 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Adopt-A-Highway Message-ID: <20031218000719.MDIE9010.fed1mtao08.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Well, it's official. I received the permit in the mail a few days ago, and I just need to find out when the sign will be in place and I'll schedule the first clean-up. If I didn't mention it before, it's NB SR87/MP181-182 which is still the Gilbert/87 intersection. With any luck, it isn't going to get trashed just as soon as we finish cleaning up with the landfill being on the opposite side of the roadway. Brian Team A.I. Edit: In hindsight, it would have been cool to have the sign read Arizona Geocachers C.I.T.O, but oh well. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 18 00:39:22 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:39:22 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 1k AZ finds Message-ID: >From: Brian Casteel >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >Subject: Re: RE: [Az-Geocaching] 1k AZ finds >Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:04:32 -0500 > >I too offer my congratulations. It was certainly a long road to get there, >and probably a very enjoyable one at that. > >Brian >Team A.I. Yes. I send out my cogratulations as well to AZSaluki... Jim and Kristen. That is an awsome accomplishment! Scott Team RTW _________________________________________________________________ Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 18 01:08:38 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:08:38 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 1k AZ finds References: <004801c3c4de$824a5840$1c01a8c0@connie> Message-ID: <002401c3c503$78e42fe0$47084bab@fishkiller> I too will chime in on the congrats, I still have fond memories of the caching adventure to claim RTW-1 truly a great honor that you have achieved... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:44 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] 1k AZ finds > Indeed, congratulations. I definiatley know the effort put forth for this > achievement. Long may you rein as number one in Arizona (as I know Larry > doesn't have the energy anymore to maintain this rank ;) ). > Connie > Team "Wyle E" > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jerry > > Nelson > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:59 AM > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] 1k AZ finds > > > > > > More congratulation from here. That's a true milestone. > > > > Jerry > > Offtrail > > > > > > > > > Congrats to azsaluki for being the first to log 1000 Arizona Finds! (As > > > reported on azgeocaching.com.) > > > > > > -- Team Sprocket > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 18 01:10:14 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:10:14 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Adopt-A-Highway References: <20031218000719.MDIE9010.fed1mtao08.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <003401c3c503$b1f36d00$47084bab@fishkiller> when it does I can see the head line now AZ GEOCACHERS fail to clean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Casteel" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 5:07 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Adopt-A-Highway > Well, it's official. I received the permit in the mail a few days ago, and I just need to find out when the sign will be in place and I'll schedule the first clean-up. If I didn't mention it before, it's NB SR87/MP181-182 which is still the Gilbert/87 intersection. With any luck, it isn't going to get trashed just as soon as we finish cleaning up with the landfill being on the opposite side of the roadway. > > Brian > Team A.I. > > Edit: In hindsight, it would have been cool to have the sign read Arizona Geocachers C.I.T.O, but oh well. > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 18 01:52:30 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:52:30 -0500 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Adopt-A-Highway Message-ID: <20031218015230.YUXI28419.fed1mtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Bah. Always a cynic in the bunch. :) Brian Team A.I. > > From: "Regan L Smith" > Date: 2003/12/17 Wed PM 08:10:14 EST > To: > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Adopt-A-Highway > > when it does I can see the head line now AZ GEOCACHERS fail to clean > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Casteel" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 5:07 PM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Adopt-A-Highway > > > > Well, it's official. I received the permit in the mail a few days ago, > and I just need to find out when the sign will be in place and I'll schedule > the first clean-up. If I didn't mention it before, it's NB SR87/MP181-182 > which is still the Gilbert/87 intersection. With any luck, it isn't going > to get trashed just as soon as we finish cleaning up with the landfill being > on the opposite side of the roadway. > > > > Brian > > Team A.I. > > > > Edit: In hindsight, it would have been cool to have the sign read Arizona > Geocachers C.I.T.O, but oh well. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 18 02:15:58 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:15:58 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 1k AZ finds In-Reply-To: <008301c3c4cf$d0c5bc80$38fe6a44@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <000001c3c50c$e1131730$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> I don't think I'm repeating myself, but congratulations to Jim and Kristen from Team Tierra Buena. I'd rather say it twice than not say it at all. I can remember when the listserver used to buzz when someone hit 100 finds. But I also know that some who are reading this can remember when ten was a big deal. Steve Team Tierra Buena -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Nelson Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:59 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] 1k AZ finds More congratulation from here. That's a true milestone. Jerry Offtrail > Congrats to azsaluki for being the first to log 1000 Arizona Finds! (As > reported on azgeocaching.com.) > > -- Team Sprocket > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Dec 19 19:56:51 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:56:51 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geocaching permit Message-ID: <000a01c3c66a$3ed86d30$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3C62F.92641160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was browsing around keenpeople.com this morning and came across = something kinda funny. It's the Officially unofficial Geocaching permit = for 2004. http://www.cafeshops.com/cp/prod.aspx?p=3Dkeenpeople.8244624 I'm half tempted to order one just for the heck of it. Brian Team A.I. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3C62F.92641160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was browsing around keenpeople.com = this morning=20 and came across something kinda funny.  It's the Officially = unofficial=20 Geocaching permit for 2004.
 
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I'm half tempted to order one just for = the heck of=20 it.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C3C62F.92641160-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Dec 19 21:48:27 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Chelby Geiss) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:48:27 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tortilla Flats! In-Reply-To: <000a01c3c66a$3ed86d30$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> Message-ID: <142FFBF1-326D-11D8-A803-000393545682@desertsol.com> --Apple-Mail-12--925972573 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed OK, sort of off topic. You could make the entire town of Tortilla Flats a cache and not have to ask permission!:) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2352003025&category=1607 Team desertSol Chelby, Kevin & Aiden + Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds) Apache Junction, AZ --Apple-Mail-12--925972573 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII OK, sort of off topic. You could make the entire town of Tortilla Flats a cache and not have to ask permission!:) Arial0000,6666,0000http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2352003025&category=1607 Helvetica3131,0404,FFFFTeam desertSol Chelby, Kevin & Aiden + Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds) Apache Junction, AZ --Apple-Mail-12--925972573-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Dec 19 22:06:15 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:06:15 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geocaching permit Message-ID: Hhhmmm... I wonder if that permit authorizes us for: *illegal parking to retreive cache *trespassing on private property to retreive cache *illegal placement of cache *this card buys you one "get out of jail free" per year :) I wonder if that would hold up in a court room? Seriously though, there is no 'fine print' that says that this permit is just a joke item.. or is it? Could someone out there seriously think this will 'save' them from getting fined or something? Also, click on the 'learn more' on the left hand column and it will take you to their online store. They have a T-shirt with a funny phrase on the front.... "geocaching: 1.) A sport were one uses expensive global positioning technology to locate useless dollar store items in remote locations of the planet". LOL :) http://www.cafeshops.com/gchumor1 How about the one that says "whats your position" :) LOL I can see it now... a new version of geocaching... IN BED!!!!!!!! :) hhmm, I need a hint honey.. I've been on top and on the bottom and I can't find it! It's gotta be down there somewhere! :) http://www.cafeshops.com/globalpos Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Dec 19 22:12:29 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:12:29 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tortilla Flats! Message-ID: >From: Chelby Geiss >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tortilla Flats! >Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:48:27 -0700 > >OK, sort of off topic. You could make the entire town of Tortilla Flats a >cache and not have to ask permission!:) > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ >eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2352003025&category=1607 > >Team desertSol >Chelby, Kevin & Aiden >+ >Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds) >Apache Junction, AZ I was looking on Ebay for that and I cant find the auction page. Is it a private auction? The link that you posted does not work (at least on my browser). Would be curious to follow the auction. Sure wouldnt mind owning that place myself! What a cool business oportunity. I heard it was going for like 5.5 million dollars. Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy the holiday season with great tips from MSN. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Dec 19 22:25:55 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:25:55 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geocaching permit Message-ID: I was just chatting with Scott (Team MyBlueHeaven) in Tucson in the azgeocaching chat room and we were talking about GC#'s. I was wondering if GCGRTW was available. I thought that would be great for my cache! But, unfortunately, it is already being used. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?wp=gcgrtw Bummer! It is a multi-cache or puzzle cache too!!!!! That is ssssooooo not RTW! How dare them use my team name in vain!! LOL :) Scott Team RopingTheWind _________________________________________________________________ Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Dec 19 23:31:41 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:31:41 -0500 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tortilla Flats! Message-ID: <20031219233139.DBRP8432.fed1mtao06.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Scott, the link isn't working because it appears broken. Take the http to the ws/ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/), then take the line below (eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2352003025&category=1607) and paste it to the end of the url and the link should work. Or, you could click on the Search button and type in tortilla flat. The auction is at the bottom of the screen with a starting bid of $5.5 million. :) Brian Team A.I. > > From: "RopingThe Wind" > Date: 2003/12/19 Fri PM 05:12:29 EST > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tortilla Flats! > > > > > > >From: Chelby Geiss > >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tortilla Flats! > >Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:48:27 -0700 > > > >OK, sort of off topic. You could make the entire town of Tortilla Flats a > >cache and not have to ask permission!:) > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ > >eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2352003025&category=1607 > > > >Team desertSol > >Chelby, Kevin & Aiden > >+ > >Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds) > >Apache Junction, AZ > > I was looking on Ebay for that and I cant find the auction page. Is it a > private auction? The link that you posted does not work (at least on my > browser). Would be curious to follow the auction. Sure wouldnt mind owning > that place myself! What a cool business oportunity. I heard it was going for > like 5.5 million dollars. > > Scott > Team Ropingthewind > > _________________________________________________________________ > Enjoy the holiday season with great tips from MSN. > http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Dec 19 23:42:33 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:42:33 -0500 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tortilla Flats! Message-ID: <20031219234234.GFJZ9968.fed1mtao05.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> As a side note, it doesn't appear the person listing the cache is very web savvy. She's yelling at everyone. :) Brian Team A.I. > > From: "RopingThe Wind" > Date: 2003/12/19 Fri PM 05:12:29 EST > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Tortilla Flats! > > > > > > >From: Chelby Geiss > >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tortilla Flats! > >Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:48:27 -0700 > > > >OK, sort of off topic. You could make the entire town of Tortilla Flats a > >cache and not have to ask permission!:) > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ > >eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2352003025&category=1607 > > > >Team desertSol > >Chelby, Kevin & Aiden > >+ > >Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds) > >Apache Junction, AZ > > I was looking on Ebay for that and I cant find the auction page. Is it a > private auction? The link that you posted does not work (at least on my > browser). Would be curious to follow the auction. Sure wouldnt mind owning > that place myself! What a cool business oportunity. I heard it was going for > like 5.5 million dollars. > > Scott > Team Ropingthewind > > _________________________________________________________________ > Enjoy the holiday season with great tips from MSN. > http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Dec 20 00:34:02 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:34:02 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tortilla Flats! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c3c690$f8b9c3e0$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> I was looking on Ebay for that and I cant find the auction page. This link should get you there: http://tinyurl.com/34vvr. Steve Team Tierra Buena From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Dec 20 01:03:38 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:03:38 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] TEF and a birthday present Message-ID: <001701c3c695$1b321680$c9024bab@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3C65A.6DCFD840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Today we at Team Evil Fish decided to use the birthday gift that my = sister bought for the younger member's 11th birthday, after reading the = sign at the local park requiring the use of such only by permit went to = the local high school where at 15 feet from second base made that ground = zero.. the Estes model rocket was loaded with the medium strength engine and = while talking with the JACK A LOPE via cellular communication launched = TEF-1 a nice launch went about 200 feet into the air and was recovered = in a few minutes... after reloading same engine type made a second = launch followed pretty much the same trajectory but was going to much = towards the houses. so for the third launch I installed the BIG engine = rated to 600 feet turned the launching pad towards more of the field = away from the houses and the younger member counted from 10 and well we = had 2 successful rocket launches and 1 very cool missile it seems that = at the base of the launching pad a thumb screw came loose and the thrust = from the rocket pressure against the blast deflector caused the guide = rod to move from 90 to about 45 as it left and again towards the = houses..... I lost sight of it but Alex ran as fast as he could to get = an idea of where it would land.... we packed up and much like finding a cache made our way to where we = thought it landed... knocked on a house we thought it might have been in = but after the owner allowed us to look spotted on his back neighbors = roof so again drove around looking for the correct house, after getting = the strangest look from the owner while stating our problem, he took his = ladder and went to his back yard upon his return TEF-1 was in good = shape.. it seems that the owner hadn't seen a model rocket since he was a kid in = Oklahoma.... I blame CBX2 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3C65A.6DCFD840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Today we at Team Evil Fish decided to = use the=20 birthday gift that my sister bought for the younger member's 11th = birthday,=20 after reading the sign at the local park requiring the use of such only = by=20 permit went to the local high school where at 15 feet from second base = made that=20 ground zero..
 
the Estes model rocket was loaded with = the medium=20 strength engine and while talking with the JACK A LOPE via cellular=20 communication launched TEF-1 a nice launch went about 200 feet into the = air and=20 was recovered in a few minutes... after reloading same engine type made = a second=20 launch followed pretty much the same trajectory but was going to much = towards=20 the houses. so for the third launch I installed the BIG engine rated to = 600 feet=20 turned the launching pad towards more of the field away from the houses = and the=20 younger member counted from 10 and well we had 2 successful rocket = launches and=20 1 very cool missile it seems that at the base of the launching pad a = thumb screw=20 came loose and the thrust from the rocket pressure against the blast = deflector=20 caused the guide rod to move from 90 to about 45 as it left and again = towards=20 the houses..... I lost sight of it but Alex ran as fast as he could to = get an=20 idea of where it would land....
 
we packed up and much like finding a = cache made our=20 way to where we thought it landed... knocked on a house we thought it = might have=20 been in but after the owner allowed us to look spotted on his back = neighbors=20 roof so again drove around looking for the correct house, after getting = the=20 strangest look from the owner while stating our problem, he took his = ladder and=20 went to his back yard upon his return TEF-1 was in good = shape..
it seems that the owner hadn't seen a = model rocket=20 since he was a kid in Oklahoma....
 
I blame CBX2 =
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C3C65A.6DCFD840-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Dec 20 03:18:22 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (HighwayHavoc) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:18:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geocaching permit In-Reply-To: <000a01c3c66a$3ed86d30$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> Message-ID: <20031220031822.6135.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com> This sounds much like the membership card I have for the "World RPS Society" (meaning Rock, Paper, Scissors). You can get yours too, at: http://www.worldrps.com/membership.html --- Brian Casteel wrote: > I was browsing around keenpeople.com this morning and came across > something kinda funny. It's the Officially unofficial Geocaching > permit for 2004. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Dec 20 03:47:50 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:47:50 -0500 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] TEF and a birthday present Message-ID: <20031220034752.LDHV3905.fed1mtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1071892070722_?DSjrGtQ9e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hahah....I have stories like that from when I was a kid, and with my son. When I was a kid, I'd go up to to the retention basin by my elementary school with a few rockets and my launchpad. About that time I began designing my own just to see what different fin patterns would do to the trajectory. One of them lost the body, which crashed down to Earth from about 1000', while the nose and parachute floated off into the neighborhood and was never recovered. Another for no particular reason came down in a ball of fire, but still attached to nosecone and parachute. When the chute charge went off, it exploded and caused the rocket body to catch fire. Wadding wasn't overpacked (if anything I went lean on wadding), but seeing that at 12 was pretty cool. :) Launching rockets with my son is reliving some of my most enjoyable childhood moments. Brian Team A.I. > > From: "Regan L Smith" > Date: 2003/12/19 Fri PM 08:03:38 EST > To: > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] TEF and a birthday present > > Today we at Team Evil Fish decided to use the birthday gift that my sister bought for the younger member's 11th birthday, after reading the sign at the local park requiring the use of such only by permit went to the local high school where at 15 feet from second base made that ground zero.. > > the Estes model rocket was loaded with the medium strength engine and while talking with the JACK A LOPE via cellular communication launched TEF-1 a nice launch went about 200 feet into the air and was recovered in a few minutes... after reloading same engine type made a second launch followed pretty much the same trajectory but was going to much towards the houses. so for the third launch I installed the BIG engine rated to 600 feet turned the launching pad towards more of the field away from the houses and the younger member counted from 10 and well we had 2 successful rocket launches and 1 very cool missile it seems that at the base of the launching pad a thumb screw came loose and the thrust from the rocket pressure against the blast deflector caused the guide rod to move from 90 to about 45 as it left and again towards the houses..... I lost sight of it but Alex ran as fast as he could to get an idea of where it would land.... > > we packed up and much like finding a cache made our way to where we thought it landed... knocked on a house we thought it might have been in but after the owner allowed us to look spotted on his back neighbors roof so again drove around looking for the correct house, after getting the strangest look from the owner while stating our problem, he took his ladder and went to his back yard upon his return TEF-1 was in good shape.. > it seems that the owner hadn't seen a model rocket since he was a kid in Oklahoma.... > > I blame CBX2 > ------=____1071892070722_?DSjrGtQ9e Content-Type: text/html; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply"
Today we at Team Evil Fish decided to use the birthday gift that my sister bought for the younger member's 11th birthday, after reading the sign at the local park requiring the use of such only by permit went to the local high school where at 15 feet from second base made that ground zero..
 
the Estes model rocket was loaded with the medium strength engine and while talking with the JACK A LOPE via cellular communication launched TEF-1 a nice launch went about 200 feet into the air and was recovered in a few minutes... after reloading same engine type made a second launch followed pretty much the same trajectory but was going to much towards the houses. so for the third launch I installed the BIG engine rated to 600 feet turned the launching pad towards more of the field away from the houses and the younger member counted from 10 and well we had 2 successful rocket launches and 1 very cool missile it seems that at the base of the launching pad a thumb screw came loose and the thrust from the rocket pressure against the blast deflector caused the guide rod to move from 90 to about 45 as it left and again towards the houses..... I lost sight of it but Alex ran as fast as he could to get an idea of where it would land....
 
we packed up and much like finding a cache made our way to where we thought it landed... knocked on a house we thought it might have been in but after the owner allowed us to look spotted on his back neighbors roof so again drove around looking for the correct house, after getting the strangest look from the owner while stating our problem, he took his ladder and went to his back yard upon his return TEF-1 was in good shape..
it seems that the owner hadn't seen a model rocket since he was a kid in Oklahoma....
 
I blame CBX2
------=____1071892070722_?DSjrGtQ9e-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Dec 20 03:52:18 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:52:18 -0500 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geocaching permit Message-ID: <20031220035216.YEC14590.fed1mtao07.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> ROFLMAO!!!! That's funny. Next I'm going to hear about that RTFM Society, for people who RTFM. Brian Team A.I. > > From: HighwayHavoc > Date: 2003/12/19 Fri PM 10:18:22 EST > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Geocaching permit > > This sounds much like the membership card I have for the "World RPS > Society" (meaning Rock, Paper, Scissors). You can get yours too, at: > http://www.worldrps.com/membership.html > > --- Brian Casteel wrote: > > I was browsing around keenpeople.com this morning and came across > > something kinda funny. It's the Officially unofficial Geocaching > > permit for 2004. > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Dec 20 05:49:17 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:49:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geocaching permit Message-ID: <20031219214917.23906.h005.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> And if you could read Dutch, u would know if it was a multi, puzzle, or both!!!!! Trisha "Lightning" Prescott On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:25:55 -0800, "RopingThe Wind" wrote: > > I was just chatting with Scott (Team MyBlueHeaven) in Tucson in the > azgeocaching chat room and we were talking about GC#'s. I was > wondering if > GCGRTW was available. I thought that would be great for my cache! But, > unfortunately, it is already being used. > > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?wp=gcgrtw > > Bummer! It is a multi-cache or puzzle cache too!!!!! That is ssssooooo > not > RTW! > > How dare them use my team name in vain!! > > LOL :) > > Scott > Team RopingTheWind > > _________________________________________________________________ > Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & > Home. > http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Dec 21 05:32:45 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (GUY ALDRICH) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:32:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geocaching in the news! In-Reply-To: <20031220035216.YEC14590.fed1mtao07.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <20031221053245.90591.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> http://www.mountainhomenews.com/story/1057481.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Dec 21 16:22:03 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:22:03 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geocaching in the news! References: <20031221053245.90591.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002b01c3c7de$92df9820$fd10b83f@fishkiller> and the best quote that people will find either great or the most offensive Nearly five dozen treasure hunters have already logged the geocache find onto the Internet -- 58 people who might not have stopped in Mountain Home if not for the lure of the 'treasure' they might find. thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "GUY ALDRICH" To: Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 10:32 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geocaching in the news! > http://www.mountainhomenews.com/story/1057481.html > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Dec 21 17:32:45 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Stamm) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 10:32:45 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geocaching in the news! In-Reply-To: <002b01c3c7de$92df9820$fd10b83f@fishkiller> References: <20031221053245.90591.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> <002b01c3c7de$92df9820$fd10b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: Seeing the cache is a "treasure," isn't it? How many other sights offer the same pleasurable moment as the culmination of "the hunt?" -Jim On Dec 21, 2003, at 9:22 AM, Regan L Smith wrote: > and the best quote that people will find either great or the most > offensive > > > Nearly five dozen treasure hunters have already logged the geocache > find > onto the Internet -- 58 people who might not have stopped in Mountain > Home > if not for the lure of the 'treasure' they might find. > > > thanks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "GUY ALDRICH" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 10:32 PM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geocaching in the news! > > >> http://www.mountainhomenews.com/story/1057481.html >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. >> http://photos.yahoo.com/ >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >> To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >> http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >> Arizona's Geocaching Resource >> http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Dec 22 01:45:16 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 18:45:16 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geocaching in the news! References: <20031221053245.90591.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> <002b01c3c7de$92df9820$fd10b83f@fishkiller> Message-ID: <001501c3c82d$409fbdc0$6510b83f@fishkiller> it is a shame that there are some in authority that do see it as such. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Stamm" To: Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Geocaching in the news! > Seeing the cache is a "treasure," isn't it? How many other sights > offer the same pleasurable moment as the culmination of "the hunt?" > > -Jim > > > > On Dec 21, 2003, at 9:22 AM, Regan L Smith wrote: > > > and the best quote that people will find either great or the most > > offensive > > > > > > Nearly five dozen treasure hunters have already logged the geocache > > find > > onto the Internet -- 58 people who might not have stopped in Mountain > > Home > > if not for the lure of the 'treasure' they might find. > > > > > > thanks > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "GUY ALDRICH" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 10:32 PM > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geocaching in the news! > > > > > >> http://www.mountainhomenews.com/story/1057481.html > >> > >> __________________________________ > >> Do you Yahoo!? > >> New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > >> http://photos.yahoo.com/ > >> ____________________________________________________________ > >> Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > >> To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > >> http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >> > >> Arizona's Geocaching Resource > >> http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Dec 22 09:34:41 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 01:34:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geocaching permit In-Reply-To: <20031219214917.23906.h005.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <20031222093441.84765.qmail@web14805.mail.yahoo.com> --0-74385633-1072085681=:83252 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A good friend of mine on a chat room I moderate, is from Holland. If anyone really wants to know, I could ask him to take a look at it and translate it for me. He probably wouldnt mind. Trisha wrote:And if you could read Dutch, u would know if it was a multi, puzzle, or both!!!!! Trisha "Lightning" Prescott On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:25:55 -0800, "RopingThe Wind" wrote: > > I was just chatting with Scott (Team MyBlueHeaven) in Tucson in the > azgeocaching chat room and we were talking about GC#'s. I was > wondering if > GCGRTW was available. I thought that would be great for my cache! But, > unfortunately, it is already being used. > > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?wp=gcgrtw > > Bummer! It is a multi-cache or puzzle cache too!!!!! That is ssssooooo > not > RTW! > > How dare them use my team name in vain!! > > LOL :) > > Scott > Team RopingTheWind > > _________________________________________________________________ > Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & > Home. > http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! 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A good friend of mine on a chat room I moderate, is from Holland. If anyone really wants to know, I could ask him to take a look at it and translate it for me. He probably wouldnt mind.

Trisha <trisha@brasher.com> wrote:
And if you could read Dutch, u would know if it was a multi, puzzle,
or both!!!!!
Trisha "Lightning"
Prescott



On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:25:55 -0800, "RopingThe Wind" wrote:

>
> I was just chatting with Scott (Team MyBlueHeaven) in Tucson in the
> azgeocaching chat room and we were talking about GC#'s. I was
> wondering if
> GCGRTW was available. I thought that would be great for my cache!
But,
> unfortunately, it is already being used.
>
> http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?wp=gcgrtw
>
> Bummer! It is a multi-cache or puzzle cache too!!!!! That is
ssssooooo
> not
> RTW!
>
> How dare them use my team name in vain!!
>
> LOL :)
>
> Scott
> Team RopingTheWind
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House &
> Home.
> http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx
>
> ____________________________________________________________
> Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com
> To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit:
> http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching
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New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --0-74385633-1072085681=:83252-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 23 01:49:59 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Sparks) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:49:59 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Not Found or Not Looked For? Message-ID: <3FE79F47.3030201@mchsi.com> I'm just wondering if anyone has hunted for Sprocket's Revenge (GCHB40) in the past week or two. I notice a lot of other AJ area caches being logged recently but not this one. Are you guys hunting and not finding or just not hunting? If you're concerned about your ''find ratio'' reputation and don't want to admit (publically) to being ''stumped'', please feel free to e-mail me directly. (Your secret's safe with me.) I'd really like to know if I need to increase the difficulty rating or if no one has bothered to look for it since the two first finders. -- Sprocket From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 23 01:34:34 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Joe Brekke) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:34:34 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Not Found or Not Looked For? References: <3FE79F47.3030201@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <000b01c3c8f4$ee4b6600$f950a8c0@default> I was in the area yesterday and had printed the sheet, but didn't stop by...I wanted to do Valley Vista and Rock House caches, and went to those first and after doing those with Erik on my back in the Baby Backpack, I was pretty tired and just did not feel like doing this one, besides, with a 2 year old, I have found that I cannot look for such a cache very well...so though I did print it, I did NOT stop by. Joe TeamBlunder ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Sparks" To: Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 6:49 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Not Found or Not Looked For? > I'm just wondering if anyone has hunted for Sprocket's Revenge (GCHB40) > in the past week or two. I notice a lot of other AJ area caches being > logged recently but not this one. Are you guys hunting and not finding > or just not hunting? If you're concerned about your ''find ratio'' > reputation and don't want to admit (publically) to being ''stumped'', > please feel free to e-mail me directly. (Your secret's safe with me.) > I'd really like to know if I need to increase the difficulty rating or > if no one has bothered to look for it since the two first finders. > > -- Sprocket > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 23 02:04:16 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Cordell Harris) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 19:04:16 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Not Found or Not Looked For? References: <3FE79F47.3030201@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <001101c3c8f9$12661e00$1902a8c0@Main> Tried it back in Sept., encountered some extreme and somewhat distracting paranoia from the folks on the other side of the fence...seems they assumed we were posting advertisements on the corner. This is a problem with micros and a hurdle hard for us to get over. During these times, folks watching too much TV tend to get alarmed easily. Also tried your "Carcass" earlier today and found the area around the coordinates torn up so bad a logical look is almost impossible. Must admit made my own contribution. Didn't find it either. Drat! Cord H. (double bogie6) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Sparks" To: Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 6:49 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Not Found or Not Looked For? > I'm just wondering if anyone has hunted for Sprocket's Revenge (GCHB40) > in the past week or two. I notice a lot of other AJ area caches being > logged recently but not this one. Are you guys hunting and not finding > or just not hunting? If you're concerned about your ''find ratio'' > reputation and don't want to admit (publically) to being ''stumped'', > please feel free to e-mail me directly. (Your secret's safe with me.) > I'd really like to know if I need to increase the difficulty rating or > if no one has bothered to look for it since the two first finders. > > -- Sprocket > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.554 / Virus Database: 346 - Release Date: 12/20/2003 From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 23 03:01:04 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 20:01:04 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Not Found or Not Looked For? References: <3FE79F47.3030201@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <000c01c3c901$01ec00a0$4a30bf3f@fishkiller> TEF has not and will not until maybe next year, why?? The posted coordinates are approximate, as I had to interpolate from two positions where I could get a good signal. There is no room to trade trinkets and you will need to bring your own writing instrument. Enjoy! yet you expect We had a great time swapping stories and hope everyone took note of the _TRUE_ coordinates where we placed our flag. If yours wasn't in the same _CORRECT_ place, we expect you to make a note in the description, the next time you hide a cache, describing the amount of offset from our _TRUE_ coordinates to aid us in our future searches Consider the Chandler Mini cache it was and is still a true original Traditional cache the coords take you to the spot then you have to figure out where it is hidden the coords took you to within acceptable GPS error and frustrated many cachers without being braggadocios ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Sparks" To: Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 6:49 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Not Found or Not Looked For? > I'm just wondering if anyone has hunted for Sprocket's Revenge (GCHB40) > in the past week or two. I notice a lot of other AJ area caches being > logged recently but not this one. Are you guys hunting and not finding > or just not hunting? If you're concerned about your ''find ratio'' > reputation and don't want to admit (publically) to being ''stumped'', > please feel free to e-mail me directly. (Your secret's safe with me.) > I'd really like to know if I need to increase the difficulty rating or > if no one has bothered to look for it since the two first finders. > > -- Sprocket > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 23 03:18:16 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (GUY ALDRICH) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 19:18:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Not Found or Not Looked For? In-Reply-To: <3FE79F47.3030201@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20031223031816.32727.qmail@web40812.mail.yahoo.com> I probably won't even try to get it until theres more caches in the area to make a trip to AJ worthwhile! Guy --- Scott Sparks wrote: > I'm just wondering if anyone has hunted for > Sprocket's Revenge (GCHB40) > in the past week or two. I notice a lot of other AJ > area caches being > logged recently but not this one. Are you guys > hunting and not finding > or just not hunting? If you're concerned about your > ''find ratio'' > reputation and don't want to admit (publically) to > being ''stumped'', > please feel free to e-mail me directly. (Your > secret's safe with me.) > I'd really like to know if I need to increase the > difficulty rating or > if no one has bothered to look for it since the two > first finders. > > -- Sprocket > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 23 18:40:59 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Sparks) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:40:59 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Not Found or Not Looked For? Message-ID: <3FE88C3B.1040100@mchsi.com> Team Evil Fish wrote: yet you expect We had a great time swapping stories and hope everyone took note of the _TRUE_ coordinates where we placed our flag. If yours wasn't in the same _CORRECT_ place, we expect you to make a note in the description, the next time you hide a cache, describing the amount of offset from our _TRUE_ coordinates to aid us in our future searches - Regan, you didn't really take any of that seriously, did you? Then you wrote: Consider the Chandler Mini cache it was and is still a true original Traditional cache the coords take you to the spot then you have to figure out where it is hidden the coords took you to within acceptable GPS error and frustrated many cachers without being braggadocios - I'm not sure how this is even relevant? Especially considering Chandler Mini ''went missing'' 6 months ago and was archived 3 months ago. In my description, I wrote: The posted coordinates are approximate, as I had to interpolate from two positions where I could get a good signal. ... At least I had the decency to let people know, beforehand, that you can't just stand at the cache and expect 100% accuracy with your GPS, because of nearby structures that can, and most likely will, interfere with a satellite signal. -- Sprocket From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Dec 23 22:44:50 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:44:50 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Not Found or Not Looked For? References: <3FE88C3B.1040100@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <000a01c3c9a6$614a01a0$1511b83f@fishkiller> Regan, you didn't really take any of that seriously, did you? I just had to use my .10 word of the day :) I used Chandler Mini as the example of a hard cache as it was one of the first... like Steve said "In time, all caches will devolve and entropy will be achieved" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Sparks" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Not Found or Not Looked For? > Team Evil Fish wrote: > > yet you expect > > We had a great time swapping stories and hope everyone took note of the > _TRUE_ coordinates where we placed our flag. If yours wasn't in the same > _CORRECT_ place, we expect you to make a note in the description, the next > time you hide a cache, describing the amount of offset from our _TRUE_ > coordinates to aid us in our future searches > > > - Regan, you didn't really take any of that seriously, did you? > > > Then you wrote: > > Consider the Chandler Mini cache it was and is still a true original > Traditional cache the coords take you to the spot then you have to figure > out where it is hidden the coords took you to within acceptable GPS error > and frustrated many cachers without being braggadocios > > > - I'm not sure how this is even relevant? Especially considering > Chandler Mini ''went missing'' 6 months ago and was archived 3 months ago. > > In my description, I wrote: > > The posted coordinates are approximate, as I had to interpolate from two > positions where I could get a good signal. ... > > At least I had the decency to let people know, beforehand, that you > can't just stand at the cache and expect 100% accuracy with your GPS, > because of nearby structures that can, and most likely will, interfere > with a satellite signal. > > -- Sprocket > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Dec 24 00:30:35 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:30:35 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Not Found or Not Looked For? References: <3FE88C3B.1040100@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <002501c3c9b5$25a0bae0$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> I stopped in the area the day it was approved, but circled the parking lot on foot once just looking the area over and left. My 3 year-old was in tow, and as Blunder stated, it's not easy to look for a difficult to find cache with a small child with you. Besides the fact that at mid-morning there was MUCH too much foot traffic and I didn't feel like attracting the kind of attention that it would attract. I'm not sure what to expect from AJ PD, but didn't feel like finding out either. I should note that I had 9' accuracy the entire time I was in the parking lot without a hint that I was losing satellite due to structural interference. :) Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Sparks" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Not Found or Not Looked For? > Team Evil Fish wrote: > > yet you expect > > We had a great time swapping stories and hope everyone took note of the > _TRUE_ coordinates where we placed our flag. If yours wasn't in the same > _CORRECT_ place, we expect you to make a note in the description, the next > time you hide a cache, describing the amount of offset from our _TRUE_ > coordinates to aid us in our future searches > > > - Regan, you didn't really take any of that seriously, did you? > > > Then you wrote: > > Consider the Chandler Mini cache it was and is still a true original > Traditional cache the coords take you to the spot then you have to figure > out where it is hidden the coords took you to within acceptable GPS error > and frustrated many cachers without being braggadocios > > > - I'm not sure how this is even relevant? Especially considering > Chandler Mini ''went missing'' 6 months ago and was archived 3 months ago. > > In my description, I wrote: > > The posted coordinates are approximate, as I had to interpolate from two > positions where I could get a good signal. ... > > At least I had the decency to let people know, beforehand, that you > can't just stand at the cache and expect 100% accuracy with your GPS, > because of nearby structures that can, and most likely will, interfere > with a satellite signal. > > -- Sprocket > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Dec 25 08:36:16 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 01:36:16 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Happy Holidays!!! 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------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C3CA87.7D3B9B80-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Dec 26 03:20:37 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bob Renner) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 19:20:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cone Mountain cache Message-ID: <20031226032037.15642.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> I placed my Cone Mountain cache http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=270 almost 3 years ago on Dec 31, 2000. I plan on checking on it and doing cache maintenance on it's 3 year anniversary on Dec 31, 2003. Since the area is a great place to mountain bike, I will be riding in on my bike. If anyone else is interested in joining me for a little mountain biking, let me know and we can plan on where and when to meet. Bob Renner __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Dec 26 05:48:44 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 21:48:44 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cone Mountain cache Message-ID: >From: Bob Renner >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cone Mountain cache >Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 19:20:37 -0800 (PST) > >I placed my Cone Mountain cache >http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=270 >almost 3 years ago on Dec 31, 2000. > >I plan on checking on it and doing cache maintenance >on it's 3 year anniversary on Dec 31, 2003. Since the >area is a great place to mountain bike, I will be >riding in on my bike. If anyone else is interested in >joining me for a little mountain biking, let me know >and we can plan on where and when to meet. > >Bob Renner I am surpised that this cache hasn't seen more visits. It has a good number of find logs... but, considering it was planted 3 years ago (!) and the fact that it isnt too far of a hike off of Pima Rd (and that is if you cant drive into it), I would think it would have more logs on it. It is a fond caching memory of team Ropingthewind's. We enjoy the hiking/wilderness caches and Bob Renner has lots of great caches of this type out there to enjoy! I drove my 2x4 full size pickup from Dnamite road and started into the cache site. But, the road got very bumpy (lots of whoop's for the motorcycle crowd) and we turned back and decided to try to approach from Pima Rd. I have been in a tad bit on a couple of those roads, so we were confident there was a way to get in from the West. There was, but it was a bit ugly for a full size longbed 2x4 truck. Of course, my truck isnt just any truck.... at least I dont drive it like it is :).... (hehe). We went in on a decent little dirt road that got progressively worse. Ended up on a fairly wide wash and kept traction thru it (barely at times!) and we made it to the powerline rd. From there, it was a decent drive to park within a few hundred feet or so (or something like that) back into the cache site. A couple of the ATV dudes looked at us like we were crazy. But, it isnt that bad for a good 2x4 truck to make it back there. Shorter wheelbase the better, but any prudent driver can take one back there. Anyways, it was a fun adventure. Thanks Bob for the great cache! Glad to see it is still around today! Interesting how some of the old and great caches are still around after 2 and even 3 years and yet many new caches nowaday's cant last a week. Go figure. On a seperate note: made a great Christmas day cache hike to go find the Cookie Cache in South Mountains. I had to go out and hike off that big Christmas dinner we had with all the family. I teamed up with Team Rugerdog for this one and we had a great late afternoon hike just before sunset to find that cache. Felt good to make a good little hike like that after a big dinner! :) I don't feel so fat now! :) :) :) Anyways, Happy Holiday's everyone!!! Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger — learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Dec 27 03:16:37 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Joe Brekke) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 20:16:37 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] An Education for my 11 Y.O. Son Message-ID: <000f01c3cc27$d8a52bc0$f950a8c0@default> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3CBED.2A812420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If any of you have done the Beatles at Shaw Butte Cache lately, you may = find this amusing...as well as those of you who have not done it yet. = The funny thing is that I knew it was in there, and when I grabbed it, = it just didn't click with me. Concentrating too hard on the TB, I = guess. I'll be standing in the wings for "Father of the Year" awards on = this listserve soon. Although I'm sure my 11 YO right now thinks I'm = the coolest Dad around. It was yet another proud Blunder moment. This is the excerpt of the log: Nice hike to cache and nice cache. We took the Phoenix TB and left the = Ursus American TB. Funny, I knew there was a TB in the cache and as I = was looking for it, I took out the 36C Black Bra and without really = seeing what it was or thinking about it handed it to my 11 year old son. = I found the TB and looked up and suddenly the bra was unfolded in his = hands and my 11 yo had a pretty bedazzled look on his face as he asked = what the bra was doing there. I just told someone was really desperate = for a trade item and gave their all to satisfy the requirement to leave = something.=20 Didn't take the bra, it's still in the cache, but I'm sure my 11 YO will = be seeing it for some time to come.=20 Will post some pictures soon.=20 Thanks for the education .=20 TeamBlunder Joe, Brad, and Erik in the Baby Backpack ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3CBED.2A812420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If any of you have done the  = Beatles at Shaw=20 Butte Cache lately, you may find this amusing...as well as those of you = who have=20 not done it yet.  The funny thing is that I knew it was in there, = and when=20 I grabbed it, it just didn't click with me.  Concentrating too hard = on the=20 TB, I guess.  I'll be standing in the wings for "Father of the = Year" awards=20 on this listserve soon.  Although I'm sure my 11 YO right now = thinks I'm=20 the coolest Dad around.  It was yet another proud Blunder=20 moment.
 
This is the excerpt of the = log:
 
Nice hike to cache and nice cache. We = took the=20 Phoenix TB and left the Ursus American TB. Funny, I knew there was a TB = in the=20 cache and as I was looking for it, I took out the 36C Black Bra and = without=20 really seeing what it was or thinking about it handed it to my 11 year = old son.=20 I found the TB and looked up and suddenly the bra was unfolded in his = hands and=20 my 11 yo had a pretty bedazzled look on his face as he asked what the = bra was=20 doing there. I just told someone was really desperate for a trade item = and gave=20 their all to satisfy the requirement to leave something.=20

Didn't take the bra, it's still in the cache, but I'm sure my 11 YO = will be=20 seeing it for some time to come.=20

Will post some pictures soon.=20

Thanks for the education .=20

TeamBlunder
Joe, Brad, and Erik in the Baby=20 Backpack

------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C3CBED.2A812420-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Dec 27 03:19:27 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Joe Brekke) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 20:19:27 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache # Message-ID: <001c01c3cc28$3c019280$f950a8c0@default> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C3CBED.8F673820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, Beatles at Shaw Butte GCH0VZ Joe ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C3CBED.8F673820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry, Beatles at Shaw Butte = GCH0VZ
 
Joe
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C3CBED.8F673820-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Dec 27 03:47:51 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 20:47:51 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache # References: <001c01c3cc28$3c019280$f950a8c0@default> Message-ID: <002301c3cc2c$3463f820$6529b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C3CBF1.872C7360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great now I have yet another cache to take my 11YO to :) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Brekke=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 8:19 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache # Sorry, Beatles at Shaw Butte GCH0VZ Joe ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C3CBF1.872C7360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Great now I have yet another cache to = take my 11YO=20 to :)
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Joe=20 Brekke
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 = 8:19=20 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache = #

Sorry, Beatles at Shaw Butte = GCH0VZ
 
Joe
------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C3CBF1.872C7360-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Dec 27 04:59:57 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:59:57 -0500 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] An Education for my 11 Y.O. Son Message-ID: <20031227045955.POEF3322.fed1mtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1072501197009_f7fczz_QLD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where was I when the trade item was being retrieved? :) Brian Team A.I. > > From: "Joe Brekke" > Date: 2003/12/26 Fri PM 10:16:37 EST > To: > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] An Education for my 11 Y.O. Son > > If any of you have done the Beatles at Shaw Butte Cache lately, you may find this amusing...as well as those of you who have not done it yet. The funny thing is that I knew it was in there, and when I grabbed it, it just didn't click with me. Concentrating too hard on the TB, I guess. I'll be standing in the wings for "Father of the Year" awards on this listserve soon. Although I'm sure my 11 YO right now thinks I'm the coolest Dad around. It was yet another proud Blunder moment. > > This is the excerpt of the log: > > Nice hike to cache and nice cache. We took the Phoenix TB and left the Ursus American TB. Funny, I knew there was a TB in the cache and as I was looking for it, I took out the 36C Black Bra and without really seeing what it was or thinking about it handed it to my 11 year old son. I found the TB and looked up and suddenly the bra was unfolded in his hands and my 11 yo had a pretty bedazzled look on his face as he asked what the bra was doing there. I just told someone was really desperate for a trade item and gave their all to satisfy the requirement to leave something. > Didn't take the bra, it's still in the cache, but I'm sure my 11 YO will be seeing it for some time to come. > > Will post some pictures soon. > > Thanks for the education . > > TeamBlunder > Joe, Brad, and Erik in the Baby Backpack > > > > ------=____1072501197009_f7fczz_QLD Content-Type: text/html; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply"
If any of you have done the  Beatles at Shaw Butte Cache lately, you may find this amusing...as well as those of you who have not done it yet.  The funny thing is that I knew it was in there, and when I grabbed it, it just didn't click with me.  Concentrating too hard on the TB, I guess.  I'll be standing in the wings for "Father of the Year" awards on this listserve soon.  Although I'm sure my 11 YO right now thinks I'm the coolest Dad around.  It was yet another proud Blunder moment.
 
This is the excerpt of the log:
 
Nice hike to cache and nice cache. We took the Phoenix TB and left the Ursus American TB. Funny, I knew there was a TB in the cache and as I was looking for it, I took out the 36C Black Bra and without really seeing what it was or thinking about it handed it to my 11 year old son. I found the TB and looked up and suddenly the bra was unfolded in his hands and my 11 yo had a pretty bedazzled look on his face as he asked what the bra was doing there. I just told someone was really desperate for a trade item and gave their all to satisfy the requirement to leave something.

Didn't take the bra, it's still in the cache, but I'm sure my 11 YO will be seeing it for some time to come.

Will post some pictures soon.

Thanks for the education .

TeamBlunder
Joe, Brad, and Erik in the Baby Backpack

------=____1072501197009_f7fczz_QLD-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Dec 27 05:59:25 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 21:59:25 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] An Education for my 11 Y.O. Son Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_356e_1c04_5420 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I would rather have traded for what was under that bra! :) Scott Team RTW >From: Brian Casteel >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] An Education for my 11 Y.O. Son >Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:59:57 -0500 > >Where was I when the trade item was being retrieved? :) > >Brian >Team A.I. > > > > > > From: "Joe Brekke" > > Date: 2003/12/26 Fri PM 10:16:37 EST > > To: > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] An Education for my 11 Y.O. Son > > > > If any of you have done the Beatles at Shaw Butte Cache lately, you may >find this amusing...as well as those of you who have not done it yet. The >funny thing is that I knew it was in there, and when I grabbed it, it just >didn't click with me. Concentrating too hard on the TB, I guess. I'll be >standing in the wings for "Father of the Year" awards on this listserve >soon. Although I'm sure my 11 YO right now thinks I'm the coolest Dad >around. It was yet another proud Blunder moment. > > > > This is the excerpt of the log: > > > > Nice hike to cache and nice cache. We took the Phoenix TB and left the >Ursus American TB. Funny, I knew there was a TB in the cache and as I was >looking for it, I took out the 36C Black Bra and without really seeing what >it was or thinking about it handed it to my 11 year old son. I found the TB >and looked up and suddenly the bra was unfolded in his hands and my 11 yo >had a pretty bedazzled look on his face as he asked what the bra was doing >there. I just told someone was really desperate for a trade item and gave >their all to satisfy the requirement to leave something. > > Didn't take the bra, it's still in the cache, but I'm sure my 11 YO will >be seeing it for some time to come. > > > > Will post some pictures soon. > > > > Thanks for the education . > > > > TeamBlunder > > Joe, Brad, and Erik in the Baby Backpack > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Worried about inbox overload? Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------=_NextPart_000_356e_1c04_5420 Content-Type: text/html; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply"
If any of you have done the  Beatles at Shaw Butte Cache lately, you may find this amusing...as well as those of you who have not done it yet.  The funny thing is that I knew it was in there, and when I grabbed it, it just didn't click with me.  Concentrating too hard on the TB, I guess.  I'll be standing in the wings for "Father of the Year" awards on this listserve soon.  Although I'm sure my 11 YO right now thinks I'm the coolest Dad around.  It was yet another proud Blunder moment.
 
This is the excerpt of the log:
 
Nice hike to cache and nice cache. We took the Phoenix TB and left the Ursus American TB. Funny, I knew there was a TB in the cache and as I was looking for it, I took out the 36C Black Bra and without really seeing what it was or thinking about it handed it to my 11 year old son. I found the TB and looked up and suddenly the bra was unfolded in his hands and my 11 yo had a pretty bedazzled look on his face as he asked what the bra was doing there. I just told someone was really desperate for a trade item and gave their all to satisfy the requirement to leave something.

Didn't take the bra, it's still in the cache, but I'm sure my 11 YO will be seeing it for some time to come.

Will post some pictures soon.

Thanks for the education .

TeamBlunder
Joe, Brad, and Erik in the Baby Backpack

------=_NextPart_000_356e_1c04_5420-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Dec 27 06:11:51 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bryon Culling) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 22:11:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] An Education for my 11 Y.O. Son In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031227061151.69781.qmail@web40905.mail.yahoo.com> --0-30024535-1072505511=:67287 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That Bra is just a perscription. In order for it to be if any use, it first must be filled. RopingThe Wind wrote: I would rather have traded for what was under that bra! :) Scott Team RTW --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square --0-30024535-1072505511=:67287 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
That Bra is just a perscription.  In order for it to be if any use, it first must be filled.

RopingThe Wind <arizcowboy@hotmail.com> wrote:

I would rather have traded for what was under that bra! :)

Scott
Team RTW

 

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Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square --0-30024535-1072505511=:67287-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Dec 27 06:45:58 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 22:45:58 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Funny stuff! Message-ID: Anyone yet found the Needle Vista, Etc Cache out NE of Apache Junction? The cache description asks that you add a bit to a story that the cache owner started. The story has gotten rather crazy! I was just noticing the cache owners web site and came across the story... Here is the link to the web site: http://hometown.aol.com/me1002/geocaching.html Direct link to the story page: http://hometown.aol.com/me1002/index.html Funny stuff!!! A fun idea for a themed cache. Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Get reliable dial-up Internet access now with our limited-time introductory offer. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Dec 27 07:06:58 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 00:06:58 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Funny stuff! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c3cc48$052fdbc0$6601a8c0@NOTEBOOK> > Anyone yet found the Needle Vista, Etc Cache out NE of Apache Junction? It appears as though we were the only ones who found the "second edition" (I just hope we weren't responsible for its disappearance!). The link to the web page that contains the story doesn't go as far as our entry (in mid-October), but I remember that we did that cache the day of the "Halloween Radioactive" event cache. We also had a visit with Chelby of Team Desert Sol while we went for "Ghostly Ride" that day, and hit a couple other caches up Apache Trail as well. We enjoyed the short hike, the views, and the concept. Don't remember what we added to the story but I distinctly remember NOT thinking Pulitzer Prize at the time. Steve Team Tierra Buena From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Dec 27 16:19:22 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Casteel) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 09:19:22 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] An Education for my 11 Y.O. Son References: <20031227061151.69781.qmail@web40905.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004501c3cc95$3036b170$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C3CC5A.83AF42D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LOL! =20 Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bryon Culling=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] An Education for my 11 Y.O. Son That Bra is just a perscription. In order for it to be if any use, it = first must be filled. RopingThe Wind wrote:=20 I would rather have traded for what was under that bra! :) Scott Team RTW =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C3CC5A.83AF42D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
LOL! 
 
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bryon = Culling=20
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 = 11:11=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] An = Education=20 for my 11 Y.O. Son

That Bra is just a perscription.  In order for it to be if = any use,=20 it first must be filled.

RopingThe Wind <arizcowboy@hotmail.com>= =20 wrote:=20

I=20 would rather have traded for what was under that bra!=20 :)

Scott
Team RTW

 

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Yahoo! Photos - Get=20 your photo on the big screen in Times = Square ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C3CC5A.83AF42D0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Dec 27 18:46:36 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jerry Nelson) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 11:46:36 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] An Education for my 11 Y.O. Son References: <000f01c3cc27$d8a52bc0$f950a8c0@default> Message-ID: <002701c3cca9$c4035d40$38fe6a44@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C3CC6F.1572FF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cindy and I were the visitors before you and left the Phoenix TB. The = cache owner should get a laugh when he develops his pictures from the = cache camera. Enough said...:o) Offtrail Jerry ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Brekke=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 8:16 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] An Education for my 11 Y.O. Son If any of you have done the Beatles at Shaw Butte Cache lately, you = may find this amusing...as well as those of you who have not done it = yet. The funny thing is that I knew it was in there, and when I grabbed = it, it just didn't click with me. Concentrating too hard on the TB, I = guess. I'll be standing in the wings for "Father of the Year" awards on = this listserve soon. Although I'm sure my 11 YO right now thinks I'm = the coolest Dad around. It was yet another proud Blunder moment. This is the excerpt of the log: Nice hike to cache and nice cache. We took the Phoenix TB and left the = Ursus American TB. Funny, I knew there was a TB in the cache and as I = was looking for it, I took out the 36C Black Bra and without really = seeing what it was or thinking about it handed it to my 11 year old son. = I found the TB and looked up and suddenly the bra was unfolded in his = hands and my 11 yo had a pretty bedazzled look on his face as he asked = what the bra was doing there. I just told someone was really desperate = for a trade item and gave their all to satisfy the requirement to leave = something.=20 Didn't take the bra, it's still in the cache, but I'm sure my 11 YO = will be seeing it for some time to come.=20 Will post some pictures soon.=20 Thanks for the education .=20 TeamBlunder Joe, Brad, and Erik in the Baby Backpack ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C3CC6F.1572FF40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Cindy and I were the visitors before = you and left=20 the Phoenix TB.  The cache owner should get a laugh when he = develops his=20 pictures from the cache camera.  Enough said...:o)
 
Offtrail
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Joe=20 Brekke
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 = 8:16=20 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] An = Education for=20 my 11 Y.O. Son

If any of you have done the  = Beatles at Shaw=20 Butte Cache lately, you may find this amusing...as well as those of = you who=20 have not done it yet.  The funny thing is that I knew it was in = there,=20 and when I grabbed it, it just didn't click with me.  = Concentrating too=20 hard on the TB, I guess.  I'll be standing in the wings for = "Father of=20 the Year" awards on this listserve soon.  Although I'm sure my 11 = YO=20 right now thinks I'm the coolest Dad around.  It was yet another = proud=20 Blunder moment.
 
This is the excerpt of the = log:
 
Nice hike to cache and nice cache. We = took the=20 Phoenix TB and left the Ursus American TB. Funny, I knew there was a = TB in the=20 cache and as I was looking for it, I took out the 36C Black Bra and = without=20 really seeing what it was or thinking about it handed it to my 11 year = old=20 son. I found the TB and looked up and suddenly the bra was unfolded in = his=20 hands and my 11 yo had a pretty bedazzled look on his face as he asked = what=20 the bra was doing there. I just told someone was really desperate for = a trade=20 item and gave their all to satisfy the requirement to leave something. =

Didn't take the bra, it's still in the cache, but I'm sure my 11 YO = will be=20 seeing it for some time to come.=20

Will post some pictures soon.=20

Thanks for the education .=20

TeamBlunder
Joe, Brad, and Erik in the Baby=20 Backpack

------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C3CC6F.1572FF40-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Dec 27 21:03:52 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 14:03:52 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] An Education for my 11 Y.O. Son Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C3CC82.422D84C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's right Jerry, put a teaser out there for us. ;) Now we can't wait= for the film to be developed and hope the pics get put on the cache page= ! :D RandMan (Rand) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Nelson Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 11:50 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] An Education for my 11 Y.O. Son Cindy and I were the visitors before you and left the Phoenix TB. The ca= che owner should get a laugh when he develops his pictures from the cache= camera. Enough said...:o) Offtrail Jerry ----- Original Message ----- =20 From: Joe Brekke =20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =20 Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 8:16 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] An Education for my 11 Y.O. Son If any of you have done the Beatles at Shaw Butte Cache lately, you may = find this amusing...as well as those of you who have not done it yet. Th= e funny thing is that I knew it was in there, and when I grabbed it, it j= ust didn't click with me. Concentrating too hard on the TB, I guess. I'= ll be standing in the wings for "Father of the Year" awards on this lists= erve soon. Although I'm sure my 11 YO right now thinks I'm the coolest D= ad around. It was yet another proud Blunder moment. This is the excerpt of the log: Nice hike to cache and nice cache. We took the Phoenix TB and left the Ur= sus American TB. Funny, I knew there was a TB in the cache and as I was l= ooking for it, I took out the 36C Black Bra and without really seeing wha= t it was or thinking about it handed it to my 11 year old son. I found th= e TB and looked up and suddenly the bra was unfolded in his hands and my = 11 yo had a pretty bedazzled look on his face as he asked what the bra wa= s doing there. I just told someone was really desperate for a trade item = and gave their all to satisfy the requirement to leave something. =20 Didn't take the bra, it's still in the cache, but I'm sure my 11 YO will = be seeing it for some time to come. =20 Will post some pictures soon. =20 Thanks for the education . =20 TeamBlunder Joe, Brad, and Erik in the Baby Backpack ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C3CC82.422D84C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That's right Jerry, put a teaser out ther= e for us.  ;)  Now we can't wait for the film to be developed a= nd hope the pics get put on the cache page!  :D
 
RandMan (Rand)
 
----- Ori= ginal Message -----
From: Jerry Nelson
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 11:50 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] An Educat= ion for my 11 Y.O. Son
 
Cindy and I were the visitors before you and left the Phoenix TB=   The cache owner should get a laugh when he develops his pictures = from the cache camera.  Enough said...:o)
 
Offtrail
Jer= ry
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Brekke
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 8:16 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] An Education for my 11= Y.O. Son

If any o= f you have done the  Beatles at Shaw Butte Cache lately, you may fin= d this amusing...as well as those of you who have not done it yet.  = The funny thing is that I knew it was in there, and when I grabbed it, it= just didn't click with me.  Concentrating too hard on the TB, I gue= ss.  I'll be standing in the wings for "Father of the Year" awards o= n this listserve soon.  Although I'm sure my 11 YO right now thinks = I'm the coolest Dad around.  It was yet another proud Blunder moment=
 
= This is the excerpt of the log:
=
 
Nice hike to cache and nice cache. We took the Phoenix TB an= d left the Ursus American TB. Funny, I knew there was a TB in the cache a= nd as I was looking for it, I took out the 36C Black Bra and without real= ly seeing what it was or thinking about it handed it to my 11 year old so= n. I found the TB and looked up and suddenly the bra was unfolded in his = hands and my 11 yo had a pretty bedazzled look on his face as he asked wh= at the bra was doing there. I just told someone was really desperate for = a trade item and gave their all to satisfy the requirement to leave somet= hing.

Didn't take the bra, it's still in the cache, but I'm sure my 1= 1 YO will be seeing it for some time to come.

Will post some pictures= soon.

Thanks for the education .

TeamBlunder
Joe, Brad, and E= rik in the Baby Backpack

------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C3CC82.422D84C0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Dec 27 20:57:42 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:57:42 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] An Education for my 11 Y.O. Son Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C3CC81.65F1D1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Scott, =20 I'm sure that you would look great with a set of those! But then, I thin= k Regan would be too distracted if the two of you went caching together. = ;) Rand =20 Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] An Education for my 11 Y.O. Son RopingThe Wind wrote: =20 I would rather have traded for what was under that bra! :) Scott Team RTW ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C3CC81.65F1D1A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Scott,
 
I'm = sure that you would look great with a set of those!&nb= sp; But then, I think Regan would be too distracted if the two of yo= u went caching together.  ;)
 
Rand =
 
Subject: <= U>Re: [Az-Geocaching] An Education for my 11 Y.O. Son
 
RopingThe Wind <arizcowboy@= hotmail.com> wrote:

I would rather have traded for what was under that bra! :)

Scott
Team RTW
= ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C3CC81.65F1D1A0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Dec 27 23:30:07 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan L Smith) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:30:07 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] An Education for my 11 Y.O. Son References: Message-ID: <001301c3ccd1$5db54da0$4f01b83f@fishkiller> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3CC96.B063D840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wouldn't be distracted I wouldn't even be around him ----- Original Message -----=20 From: RAND HARDIN=20 To: AZ-Geocaching=20 Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] An Education for my 11 Y.O. Son Scott,=20 I'm sure that you would look great with a set of those! But then, I = think Regan would be too distracted if the two of you went caching = together. ;) Rand =20 Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] An Education for my 11 Y.O. Son RopingThe Wind wrote:=20 I would rather have traded for what was under that bra! :) Scott Team RTW ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3CC96.B063D840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I wouldn't be distracted I wouldn't even be = around=20 him
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 RAND = HARDIN
Sent: Saturday, December 27, = 2003 1:57=20 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] An = Education=20 for my 11 Y.O. Son

Scott,
 
I'm sure that you would look great with a set = of=20 those!  But then, I think Regan would be too distracted if = the two=20 of you went caching together.  ;)
 
Rand 
 
Subject: Re: = [Az-Geocaching] An Education for my 11 Y.O. Son
 
RopingThe Wind <arizcowboy@hotmail.com>= =20 wrote:

I=20 would rather have traded for what was under that bra!=20 :)

Scott
Team RTW
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C3CC96.B063D840-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Dec 24 15:45:23 2003 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 08:45:23 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Not Found or Not Looked For? Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C3C9FA.4523FFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Scott, After reading your note from Monday, I decided to stop by Sprocket's Reve= nge last night (Tuesday). The coordinates put me in the parking lot. I examined the hint and tried= to figure out (without much success) what you were trying to relate. I = came up with two possibilities in the hint and approached the spot where = I thought the cache may be located. I stood around for a while, but ther= e was just too much traffic in the area for me to feel comfortable about = actually doing a thorough search. Rand =20 ----- Original Message ----- =20 From: "Scott Sparks" To: Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 6:49 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Not Found or Not Looked For? > I'm just wondering if anyone has hunted for Sprocket's Revenge (GCHB40) > in the past week or two. I notice a lot of other AJ area caches being > logged recently but not this one. Are you guys hunting and not finding > or just not hunting? If you're concerned about your ''find ratio'' > reputation and don't want to admit (publically) to being ''stumped'', > please feel free to e-mail me directly. (Your secret's safe with me.) > I'd really like to know if I need to increase the difficulty rating or > if no one has bothered to look for it since the two first finders. > > -- Sprocket ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C3C9FA.4523FFE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Scott,
<= DIV> 
After reading your note from Monday, I decided= to stop by Sprocket's Revenge last night (Tuesday)=
 
The coordinates put me in the parking= lot.  I examined the hint and tried to figure out (without much suc= cess) what you were trying to relate.  I came up with two possi= bilities in the hint and approached the spot where I thought the cache ma= y be located.  I stood around for a while, but there was just t= oo much traffic in the area for me to feel comfortable about actually&nbs= p;doing a thorough search.
 
Rand  &= nbsp;



----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Sparks" <scottsparks1@mchsi.com&g= t;
To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
Sent: Monday, Dece= mber 22, 2003 6:49 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Not Fo= und or Not Looked For?


> I'm just wondering if = anyone has hunted for Sprocket's Revenge (GCHB40)
<= /STRONG>> in the past week or two.  I notice a lot of othe= r AJ area caches being
> logged recently but not this one.  Ar= e you guys hunting and not finding
> or just not hunting?  If = you're concerned about your ''find ratio''
> reputation and don't w= ant to admit (publically) to being ''stumped'',
> please feel free = to e-mail me directly.  (Your secret's safe with me.)
> I'd re= ally like to know if  I need to increase the difficulty rating or> if no one has bothered to look for it since the two first finders.<= BR>>
> -- Sprocket
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