[Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods

Thu, 10 Apr 2003 14:31:58 -0700

wait

I think it might stay around for a spell it is a well thought out well
hidden cache

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Ayre" <andy@britishideas.com>
To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:09 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods


> Dan,
>
> Thanks for this suggestion. I will give it a try!
> Even if it works, I think I will still keep my own copies of logs, just
> incase the geocaching.com site dissappears overnight sometime in the
future.
>
> Andy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
> [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Koch,
> Dan
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 11:11 AM
> To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'
> Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods
>
>
> It wouldn't take a total re-log of your old finds.
>
> As noted, archived caches don't get their pages updated...usually.  It
only
> takes a modification to any of the logs or the cache itself and
> geocaching.com will regenerate the page and update all the information.
>
> So, for those caches with 'Groover' as the team name still being
displayed,
> go edit your log.  Add a space or something, save the changes, and it
should
> update the information on the cache page to reflect the current state of
> affairs.  azgeocaching.com will pick up the changes the next time it polls
> the archived cache database.  Since azgeocaching.com doesn't have direct
> access to the geocaching.com database, they crawl the pages and just parse
> out what is displayed 'on the screen', so to speak.  If you can get
> geocaching.com up update the pre-rendered cache page that is displayed,
> everything will work as desired.
>
> BTW, this isn't just for caches that have been archived.  If an active
cache
> hasn't been logged in quite a while, it too will have the 'outdated'
> information such as team names and numbers of finds.
>
> At least that's how I believe it works.  Anyone?
> LazyK - Dan
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Tomlinson [mailto:billtomlinson@qwest.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 10:56 AM
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods
>
>
> Andy,
>
> It would take a bit of work, but I would think that you could re-log all
of
> your old finds with your new name and then delete the old finds.
Geocaching
> lets you specify the find date, so you would still have an accurate
history.
>
> As for geocaching.com, I doubt that the issue is hoarding data or
bandwidth.
> Both of those are already irrelevant because data is being grabbed by many
> crawlers already and that isn't a terribly efficient mechanism.  I'm
willing
> to bet that the issue is simply resources.  Design and implementation of a
> system that all would be happy with could be a very difficult task.  Look
> how long it's taken just to change the numbering scheme.  And that's a
time
> critical issue.  I imagine of more people were willing to register we
would
> see much better services in exchange.  Personally, I don't much care if
> people choose register.  We just need to be aware of the implications of
> those decisions.  I chose to register because I'm interested in seeing new
> features like this.
>
> CacheLess
> Bill Tomlinson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
> [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
> Ayre
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 10:06 AM
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods
>
>
> I don't think the problem is so much MO caches as the fact that
> geocaching.com appears IMO to want to horde the data and not share it with
> sites like azgeocaching.com by providing a backdoor entry into specific
> sections of the database. I cannot see how providing access to the AZ only
> caches would cause a problem for geocaching.com (in terms of rivalry
> worries, etc - I'm sure it would increase the bandwidth used).
>
> We recently changed our name from "Groover" to "Team Spike". This has
> completely messed up our team stats on the azgeocaching.com site, as it
> relies on reading cached pages. Well, archived caches never get their
pages
> re-cached, therefore those caches will eternally be attributed to
"groover"
> on azgeocaching.com, wheras the actual data in the geocaching.com database
> must be correct.
>
> As a result I've resorted to making a copy of all log entries on my own
web
> site, so at least I have a copy of my own data that I can manipulate in my
> own database and know it is always correct and accurate. Unfortunately I
> don't have time to write code to generate graphs and other wonderful stuff
> that can be found on azgeocaching.com.
>
> Andy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
> [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Scott
> Nicol
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:33 AM
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods
>
>
>
>
> Ok. I don't usually fuss with much, but this one definetly irritates me. I
> am one of those 'numbers' cachers. I do enjoy looking at the stats and the
> numbers (for my own pleasure of course, not for competitive purposes). I
am
> a bit annoyed that 9 of my in state cache finds now show up as out of
state.
>
> This is the result of 8 AZ caches becoming 'members only' caches. These
are
> caches that previously (when I found them), where not MO. What happens is
> that the AZgeocaching.com site is not a member, therefore it doesnt crawl
> the MO cache pages. (that is what I have heard anyways). At any rate, the
AZ
> stats doesnt recognize Arizona MO caches and they show up in the out of
> state file. (anyone who knows me knows that I have 0 out of state finds
and
> probably always will!).
>
> I personally beleive that if a cache is started out as a 'free' cache, it
> should remain that way for the life of the cache. If someone chooses to
make
> their caches members only, they should do so with only the new caches that
> they place and not turn all their old caches into MO caches. I know
> Highpointer recently commented on this on the listserve a few days ago and
> that he was going to change his caches over to MO. I understand his views
on
> the subject. However, Highpointer...I feel you should keep your old caches
> open to all and if you want members only, perhaps only turn your new ones
> into MO. The other problem I have with old caches changing into MO... I no
> longer can look back on those caches and read my logs (diary if you will)
of
> my experiences at those caches (as I am not a member of geocaching.com;
that
> is a whole nuther' thread, I am sure!). I hope Highpointer will reconsider
> changing his old caches back to non-MO.
>
> I have always enjoyed doing Highpointer's caches, he hides some good ones.
I
> also very much appreciate his seeking my cache on Stewart Mountain and the
> comments he left there. I think me and Highpointer share many of the same
> views on geocaching and enjoy doing the same types of caches.
>
> I guess I will not be able to do anymore of Highpointer's caches as I am
not
> a member of geocaching.com. However, I have no problem with his making his
> new caches MO, Members Only caches are available as an option to members
of
> geocaching.com and that is an option that is available to him to use if he
> chooses to. I just wish he would reconsider and keep his older caches open
> to all.
>
> Scott
> Team Ropingthewind
>
>
>
>
> >From: Brian Cluff <brian@snaptek.com>
> >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods
> >Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:12:21 -0700
> >
> >Yes, if caches are being moved to members only that were previously
> >available to anyone, they will show up as out of state.
> >
> >Brian Cluff
> >Team Snaptek
> >
> >Regan Smith wrote:
> >
> >>Would the new out of state finds be a result of the Member Only
> >>Caches?
>
>
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