[Az-Geocaching] Re: Let's fight to keep our caches in Scotsdale Desert Preserves: Do not acquiesce to radical "preservationist" policy
Jeff Moriarty
listserv@azgeocaching.com
Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:04:02 -0700
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Ken,
This is an unsolicited email to me, or what is commonly referred to as =
"Spam". I didn't join the Listserv to have people send me their =
personal rants. I would be more forgiving if this was an honest email =
or some sort of worthwhile cause here, but all you did is spout off your =
own opinions from a high horse. To put frosting on the cake you send it =
to me without MY permission, then start your message telling me not to =
do something without YOUR permission.
Since you so nicely ignored my preferences, I will ignore yours and =
forward your message to the list and to Team Tierra Buena directly. =
Perhaps in the future you will be more considerate of other people when =
you climb onto your soapbox.
Jeff.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: ken@highpointer.com=20
To: geocaching@yahoo.com=20
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 3:06 PM
Subject: Let's fight to keep our caches in Scotsdale Desert Preserves: =
Do not acquiesce to radical "preservationist" policy
NOTE: This is not a Listserv@azgeocaching.com posting. Please do not =
forward it to that group, and please do forward this note to other =
geocachers without my permission.
The other and more significant reason in my opinion is the fact that =
the Commission sees the Preserve more akin to a Designated Wilderness =
Area than a Municipal Park, and the city ordinances that created the =
Preserve and the Commission back that up. Considered in that light, =
banning Geocaching makes a lot more sense in the Preserve than in many =
other public lands.
I will state my opinion here: Geocaching should be permitted in all =
of the Scottsdale McDowell-Sonoran Preserve, and we as Geocachers should =
fight to maintain our rights to hide and maintain caches in the =
Scottsdale Desert Preserves. Why should we simply acquiesce to such a =
blatently unfair policy? This land is public land that should be =
available to all of us. As a freedom-loving American, I am fervently =
opposed to "preservationists" who want to lock us out of public lands =
and treat us like we are living in a dictatorship. (Although I consider =
myself to be a conservationist, the more I learn about what =
"preservationists" want to do and the restrictions they want to put on =
us, the more I become opposed to people like that).
Let's fight to keep geocaching available on all public lands. We need =
more, not fewer, geocaches on backcountry lands, caches that require =
long hikes, are on top of mountain peaks, and are not close to parking =
areas or vehicle access.
I am sending this note to geocachers individually, rather than the =
list server. I am not sending this to Steve of Team Tierra Buena =
because I very much opposed to his position on this matter. Therefore, =
please do not forward this note to him.
Steve appears to be acquiescing rather than trying to fight to =
preserve geocaching. One of the caches he said should be removed is the =
Thompson Peak geocache, which I will not remove because I feel that it =
is one of the best geocaches in the Phoenix metropolitan area. =
(Geocachers who have visited it have expressed very favorable opinions =
on the log entries). We need more caches like this one, not fewer. (I =
am getting tired of many of these urban caches that require no physical =
exertion to find, and which often become missing after a short time). =20
I will make this, and my other physical caches, "members-only" caches. =
Therefore, if the Scottsdale Preserve "preservationists" want to get =
and remove my cache, they would have to become a member.
Ken Akerman
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ken,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is an unsolicited email to me, or =
what is=20
commonly referred to as "Spam". I didn't join the Listserv to have =
people=20
send me their personal rants. I would be more forgiving if this =
was an=20
honest email or some sort of worthwhile cause here, but all you did is =
spout off=20
your own opinions from a high horse. To put frosting on the cake =
you send=20
it to me without MY permission, then start your message telling me not =
to do=20
something without YOUR permission.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Since you so nicely ignored my =
preferences, I will=20
ignore yours and forward your message to the list and to Team Tierra =
Buena=20
directly. Perhaps in the future you will be more considerate of =
other=20
people when you climb onto your soapbox.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jeff.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dken@highpointer.com=20
href=3D"mailto:ken@highpointer.com">ken@highpointer.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dgeocaching@yahoo.com=20
href=3D"mailto:geocaching@yahoo.com">geocaching@yahoo.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, April 06, 2003 =
3:06=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Let's fight to keep =
our caches=20
in Scotsdale Desert Preserves: Do not acquiesce to radical =
"preservationist"=20
policy</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV id=3Dmessage>
<P><STRONG>NOTE: This is not a </STRONG><A=20
href=3D"mailto:Listserv@azgeocaching.com"=20
target=3D_blank><STRONG>Listserv@azgeocaching.com</STRONG></A><STRONG> =
posting. Please do not forward it to that group, and please do =
forward=20
this note to other geocachers without my permission.</STRONG></P>
<P><EM>The other and more significant reason in my opinion is the fact =
that=20
the Commission sees the Preserve more akin to a Designated Wilderness =
Area=20
than a Municipal Park, and the city ordinances that created the =
Preserve and=20
the Commission back that up. Considered in that light, banning =
Geocaching=20
makes a lot more sense in the Preserve than in many other public=20
lands.</EM></P>
<P>I will state my opinion here: Geocaching should be permitted =
in all=20
of the Scottsdale McDowell-Sonoran Preserve, and we as Geocachers =
should fight=20
to maintain our rights to hide and maintain caches in the Scottsdale =
Desert=20
Preserves. Why should we simply acquiesce to such a blatently =
unfair=20
policy? This land is public land that should be available to all =
of=20
us. As a freedom-loving American, I am fervently opposed to=20
"preservationists" who want to lock us out of public lands and treat =
us like=20
we are living in a dictatorship. (Although I consider myself to =
be a=20
conservationist, the more I learn about what "preservationists" want =
to do and=20
the restrictions they want to put on us, the more I become opposed to =
people=20
like that).</P>
<P>Let's fight to keep geocaching available on all public lands. =
We need=20
more, not fewer, geocaches on backcountry lands, caches that require =
long=20
hikes, are on top of mountain peaks, and are not close to parking =
areas or=20
vehicle access.</P>
<P>I am sending this note to geocachers individually, rather than the =
list=20
server. I am not sending this to Steve of Team Tierra Buena =
because I=20
very much opposed to his position on this matter. Therefore, =
please do=20
not forward this note to him.</P>
<P>Steve appears to be acquiescing rather than trying to fight to =
preserve=20
geocaching. One of the caches he said should be removed is the =
Thompson=20
Peak geocache, which I will not remove because I feel that it is one =
of the=20
best geocaches in the Phoenix metropolitan area. (Geocachers who =
have=20
visited it have expressed very favorable opinions on the log =
entries). =20
We need more caches like this one, not fewer. (I am getting tired of =
many of=20
these urban caches that require no physical exertion to find, and =
which often become missing after a short time). </P>
<P>I will make this, and my other physical caches, "members-only"=20
caches. Therefore, if the Scottsdale Preserve "preservationists" =
want to=20
get and remove my cache, they would have to become a member.</P>
<P>Ken Akerman</P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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