[Az-Geocaching] McDowell Sonoran Preserve

Sat, 5 Apr 2003 15:55:41 -0700

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C2FB8B.D165A280
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

> Do you have a cache list of the caches that should be removed?

This list is based on my own research. It's not "official". The
boundaries between the Preserve and all the other stakeholders in the
vicinity are blurry at best, and there could easily be others I don't
know about.

Thompson Peak
GC3A94

FH EnviroCharity
GC5484

Musicbox
GC5818

Good Clean Fun
GCCB2B

WazUp
GCDCF3

NoWashAway
GCE4A5

One cache that some might think belongs on this list is the "Mc Dowell
Cache" (GC1B8). I have visited this cache three or four times, and I'm
pretty sure it's actually on State Trust land, but I could be wrong.

When I sent this message out Thursday night, I "blind copied", among
others, Claire Miller, the McDowell Sonoran Preserve Manager. Claire is
a City of Scottsdale employee, and has been very supportive of
Geocaching within the Preserve. I worked closely with her over the last
several months in an attempt to get this back on the Commission's
agenda. She has held off acting on caches within the Preserve in hopes
that the Commission would reconsider. She even joined me when I hunted
"Musicbox" to see first-hand what finding a cache is like. But Claire
doesn't set policy. Her job is to enforce the policy promulgated by the
Commission.

Here's an excerpt from an email Claire sent me in response: "Thank you
for sending this information to the geocaching folks - I do appreciate
it. I will see that it also gets posted on our city website. Certainly
if anyone has any questions about it, please refer them to my direct
number. I'll kind of monitor the website to see when/if the caches in
the Preserve are picked up by their owners. Over the next several weeks,
if I happen to be in an area where there is a cache that has not been
retrieved, I will pick it up, secure it my office and attempt to notify
the owner via the website."

Claire's direct number is 480-312-2504, and her email address is
ClMIller@scottsdaleaz.gov. If you do need to contact her, please take a
minute to thank her for her efforts on our behalf. We would make her job
easier by voluntarily removing and archiving the caches we know for
certain lie within the Preserve.

Steve
Team Tierra Buena

------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C2FB8B.D165A280
Content-Type: text/html;
	charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" =
xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" =
xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" =
xmlns:x=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:excel" =
xmlns:st1=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" =
xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">

<head>
<META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dus-ascii">

<meta name=3DProgId content=3DWord.Document>
<meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 10">
<meta name=3DOriginator content=3D"Microsoft Word 10">
<link rel=3DFile-List href=3D"cid:filelist.xml@01C2FB8B.508E1570">
<o:SmartTagType =
namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"
 name=3D"City"/>
<o:SmartTagType =
namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"
 name=3D"PlaceType"/>
<o:SmartTagType =
namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"
 name=3D"PlaceName"/>
<o:SmartTagType =
namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"
 name=3D"place"/>
<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
 <o:OfficeDocumentSettings>
  <o:DoNotRelyOnCSS/>
 </o:OfficeDocumentSettings>
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
 <w:WordDocument>
  <w:SpellingState>Clean</w:SpellingState>
  <w:GrammarState>Clean</w:GrammarState>
  <w:DocumentKind>DocumentEmail</w:DocumentKind>
  <w:EnvelopeVis/>
  <w:Compatibility>
   <w:BreakWrappedTables/>
   <w:SnapToGridInCell/>
   <w:WrapTextWithPunct/>
   <w:UseAsianBreakRules/>
  </w:Compatibility>
  <w:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4</w:BrowserLevel>
 </w:WordDocument>
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if !mso]>
<style>
st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }
</style>
<![endif]-->
<style>
<!--
 /* Font Definitions */
 @font-face
	{font-family:"Book Antiqua";
	panose-1:2 4 6 2 5 3 5 3 3 4;
	mso-font-charset:0;
	mso-generic-font-family:roman;
	mso-font-pitch:variable;
	mso-font-signature:647 0 0 0 159 0;}
 /* Style Definitions */
 p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
	{mso-style-parent:"";
	margin:0in;
	margin-bottom:.0001pt;
	mso-pagination:widow-orphan;
	font-size:12.0pt;
	font-family:"Times New Roman";
	mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
	{color:blue;
	text-decoration:underline;
	text-underline:single;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
	{color:purple;
	text-decoration:underline;
	text-underline:single;}
span.EmailStyle17
	{mso-style-type:personal;
	mso-style-noshow:yes;
	mso-ansi-font-size:12.0pt;
	mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
	font-family:"Book Antiqua";
	mso-ascii-font-family:"Book Antiqua";
	mso-hansi-font-family:"Book Antiqua";
	color:windowtext;
	mso-text-animation:none;
	font-weight:normal;
	font-style:normal;
	text-decoration:none;
	text-underline:none;
	text-decoration:none;
	text-line-through:none;}
span.EmailStyle18
	{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
	mso-style-noshow:yes;
	mso-ansi-font-size:12.0pt;
	mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
	font-family:"Book Antiqua";
	mso-ascii-font-family:"Book Antiqua";
	mso-hansi-font-family:"Book Antiqua";
	color:blue;
	font-weight:normal;
	font-style:normal;
	text-decoration:none;
	text-underline:none;
	text-decoration:none;
	text-line-through:none;}
span.SpellE
	{mso-style-name:"";
	mso-spl-e:yes;}
span.GramE
	{mso-style-name:"";
	mso-gram-e:yes;}
@page Section1
	{size:8.5in 11.0in;
	margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;
	mso-header-margin:.5in;
	mso-footer-margin:.5in;
	mso-paper-source:0;}
div.Section1
	{page:Section1;}
-->
</style>
<!--[if gte mso 10]>
<style>
 /* Style Definitions */=20
 table.MsoNormalTable
	{mso-style-name:"Table Normal";
	mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0;
	mso-tstyle-colband-size:0;
	mso-style-noshow:yes;
	mso-style-parent:"";
	mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
	mso-para-margin:0in;
	mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt;
	mso-pagination:widow-orphan;
	font-size:10.0pt;
	font-family:"Times New Roman";}
</style>
<![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
 <o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
 <o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit">
  <o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" />
 </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]-->
</head>

<body bgcolor=3Dwhite lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue vlink=3Dpurple =
style=3D'tab-interval:.5in'>

<div class=3DSection1>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:5.25pt'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblue
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>&gt; </span></font>Do
you have a cache list of the caches that should be removed?<font
face=3D"Book Antiqua"><span style=3D'font-family:"Book =
Antiqua"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblue face=3D"Book =
Antiqua"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Book =
Antiqua";color:blue'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

This list is based on my own research. It&#8217;s not =
&#8220;official&#8221;.
The boundaries between the Preserve and all the other stakeholders in =
the
vicinity are blurry at best, and there could easily be others I =
don&#8217;t
know about.<o:p></o:p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D0 =
width=3D193
 =
style=3D'width:145.0pt;margin-left:-.75pt;border-collapse:collapse;mso-pa=
dding-alt:
 0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt'>
 <tr height=3D17 style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;height:12.75pt'>
  <td width=3D120 nowrap height=3D17 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:1.25in;padding:
  0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:12.75pt'>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><st1:place><st1:PlaceName><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
    =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thompson</span></font></st1:=
PlaceName><font
   size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> =
</span></font><st1:PlaceType><font
    size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Peak</span></font></st1:Plac=
eType></st1:place><font
  size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p=
>
  </td>
  <td width=3D84 nowrap height=3D17 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:63.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
  height:12.75pt'>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
  font-family:Arial'>GC3A94<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </td>
 </tr>
 <tr height=3D17 style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;height:12.75pt'>
  <td width=3D120 nowrap height=3D17 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:1.25in;padding:
  0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:12.75pt'>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
  font-family:Arial'>FH EnviroCharity<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </td>
  <td width=3D84 nowrap height=3D17 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:63.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
  height:12.75pt'>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
  font-family:Arial'>GC5484<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </td>
 </tr>
 <tr height=3D17 style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:2;height:12.75pt'>
  <td width=3D120 nowrap height=3D17 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:1.25in;padding:
  0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:12.75pt'>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
  font-family:Arial'>Musicbox<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </td>
  <td width=3D84 nowrap height=3D17 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:63.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
  height:12.75pt'>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
  font-family:Arial'>GC5818<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </td>
 </tr>
 <tr height=3D17 style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:3;height:12.75pt'>
  <td width=3D120 nowrap height=3D17 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:1.25in;padding:
  0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:12.75pt'>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
  font-family:Arial'>Good Clean Fun<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </td>
  <td width=3D84 nowrap height=3D17 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:63.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
  height:12.75pt'>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
  font-family:Arial'>GCCB2B<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </td>
 </tr>
 <tr height=3D17 style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:4;height:12.75pt'>
  <td width=3D120 nowrap height=3D17 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:1.25in;padding:
  0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:12.75pt'>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
  font-family:Arial'>WazUp<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </td>
  <td width=3D84 nowrap height=3D17 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:63.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
  height:12.75pt'>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
  font-family:Arial'>GCDCF3<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </td>
 </tr>
 <tr height=3D17 =
style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:5;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes;height:12.75pt'>
  <td width=3D120 nowrap height=3D17 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:1.25in;padding:
  0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:12.75pt'>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
  font-family:Arial'>NoWashAway<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </td>
  <td width=3D84 nowrap height=3D17 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:63.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;
  height:12.75pt'>
  <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
  font-family:Arial'>GCE4A5<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
  </td>
 </tr>
</table>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

One cache that some might think belongs on this list is the =
&#8220;Mc
Dowell Cache&#8221; (GC1B8). I have visited this cache three or four =
times, and
I&#8217;m pretty sure it&#8217;s actually on State Trust land, but I =
could be
wrong.<o:p></o:p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

When I sent this message out Thursday night, I &#8220;blind =
copied&#8221;,
among others, Claire Miller, the McDowell Sonoran Preserve Manager. =
Claire is a
City of =
<st1:City><st1:place>Scottsdale</st1:place></st1:City>
employee, and has been very supportive of Geocaching within the =
Preserve. I
worked closely with her over the last several months in an attempt to =
get this
back on the Commission&#8217;s agenda. She has held off acting on caches =
within
the Preserve in hopes that the Commission would reconsider. She even =
joined me
when I hunted &#8220;Musicbox&#8221; to see first-hand what finding a =
cache is
like. But Claire doesn&#8217;t set policy. Her job is to enforce the =
policy
promulgated by the Commission.<o:p></o:p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

Here&#8217;s an excerpt from an email Claire sent me in =
response: &#8220;Thank you for sending this information to the geocaching =
folks - I
do appreciate it. I will see that it also gets posted on our city =
website. Certainly
if anyone has any questions about it, please refer them to my direct =
number.
I'll kind of monitor the website to see when/if the caches in the =
Preserve are
picked up by their owners. Over the next several weeks, if I happen to =
be in an
area where there is a cache that has not been retrieved, I will pick it =
up,
secure it my office and attempt to notify the owner via the =
website.&#8221;<o:p></o:p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

Claire&#8217;s direct number is 480-312-2504, and her email =
address is <a
href=3D"mailto:ClMIller@scottsdaleaz.gov">ClMIller@scottsdaleaz.gov</a>. =
If you
do need to contact her, please take a minute to thank her for her =
efforts on
our behalf. We would make her job easier by voluntarily removing and =
archiving the
caches we know for certain lie within the =
Preserve.<o:p></o:p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Steve<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Team Tierra Buena<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

</body>

</html>

------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C2FB8B.D165A280--