[Az-Geocaching] what makes a good cache
Brent Milner
listserv@azgeocaching.com
Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:47:09 -0700
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Well said, Loran. I am a fairly new cacher, and although I haven't yet
hidden a cache, I have a sizeable supply of empty altoids tins, coffee cans,
and old tupperware at home that I have set aside for Geocaching. I have
thus-far not created a cache, because I'm still trying to learn what sucks
and what is good.
For example, do people like multiple stage caches? Puzzle caches? For
example, I've been struggling with the "19th Hole" cache for a couple weeks
now, but it's a darn good combination of a multiple stage and puzzle cache,
so I'm enjoying it, even if all the work is only giving me one find. I could
have easily gone into boring parking lots to find caches, but this one
interests me much more.
When I make my caches, I want to show y'all something new, or at least teach
you something about me. I think I will try to make my caches intimite in
that way. But I want to first learn how to do it in a way that is attractive
and entertaining. So I'm planning on finding a ton more first, just to get
some ideas of what is good. I'm not gonna outright copycat anyone, but I
might just "borrow" a few ideas.
What's the saying? "Imitation is the best form of flattery," or something
like that...
-FroBro Q-Tip
-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of loran
wilcox
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 11:23 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] what makes a good cache
The best caches are those that introduce you to a new area. Without these
there are many places in Arizona I would have never seen.
I don't need an ammo box with lots of stuff to make a cache good. The good
caches are those that someone has put some thought into. Hiding it in
someplace special, finding a new way to hide the cache, or making a game of
it with a puzzle or some other twist.
The worst caches are the copycats where a person just feels the need to hide
a cache.
I am probably the worst one here in the valley at playing the numbers game
but I just have this need to go after any new cache. And I will go after all
caches I can. I don't like all the caches I find. Some are as Cody stated
nothing more than "it counts as a find". Some people have wondered how I am
able to find so many caches. First I have been out of work but beyond that
when I can find 14 caches in 4 and 1/2 hours they are just too easy and/or
too close together.
As I am leaving the area I will not have much influence on this area but I
truly believe that more thought needs to be put into the placement of
geocaches. I know there is that need to place a cache and a simple one near
home for the first cache is probably acceptable. But later hides need to
show more thought.
For the new cachers out there, wait awhile before you hide a cache to learn
some of the tricks. This will make the game more enjoyable for everyone.
Don't worry about a negative karma number. If you look closely the most
driven cachers have the highest negative karma (with exceptions). It doesn't
mean a thing. No one expects you to hide a lot of caches. They only want you
to hide good caches.
Have I said to much?
Loran (Team Sand Dollar)
----- Original Message -----
From: teamcbx2
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 8:55 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] what makes a good cache
Stepping up to soapbox...
Cheryl and I visited 14 caches today along with 2 not founds. We visited
some very cool cache sites and a couple that had absolutely no thought,
planning, or creativity involved. These are a waste of my time, your time,
and everyone involved. Yes it counts as a find, but thats it. I would like
to ask our fellow cachers to please put some thought into their caches. At
this rate, we'll have an altoid tin hidden on every corner of the city.
There are countless magnificent places here in Arizona as well as right here
in the valley. Please seek these out and share them with the Geocaching
community.
Stepping down,
Cody
Team CBX2
-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of WOLFB8
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 8:20 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] what makes a good cache
With a increased number of geocacher in Arizona we have a increased
number of people hiding caches. I was just wondering what people consider a
good cache and a cache to just to add to your stats. I am not looking for
names of caches. ( I do not want to hurt anyone feeling including mine if
you think they suck) so if we were to break it down in to
for stats only
almost good
good
I will remember this one
great
Hopefully this can be a tool for the cacher out there who want to hide a
cache or 2
Libby
We will be known by the tracks we leave behind
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D518313816-09092002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Well=20
said, Loran. I am a fairly new cacher, and although I haven't yet hidden =
a=20
cache, I have a sizeable supply of empty altoids tins, coffee cans, and =
old=20
tupperware at home that I have set aside for Geocaching. I have thus-far =
not=20
created a cache, because I'm still trying to learn what sucks and what =
is=20
good.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D518313816-09092002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D518313816-09092002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>For=20
example, do people like multiple stage caches? Puzzle caches? For =
example, I've=20
been struggling with the "19th Hole" cache for a couple weeks now, but =
it's a=20
darn good combination of a multiple stage and puzzle cache, so I'm =
enjoying it,=20
even if all the work is only giving me one find. I could have easily =
gone into=20
boring parking lots to find caches, but this one interests me much=20
more.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D518313816-09092002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D518313816-09092002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>When I=20
make my caches, I want to show y'all something new, or at least teach =
you=20
something about me. I think I will try to make my caches intimite in =
that way.=20
But I want to first learn how to do it in a way that is attractive and=20
entertaining. So I'm planning on finding a ton more first, just to get =
some=20
ideas of what is good. I'm not gonna outright copycat anyone, but I =
might just=20
"borrow" a few ideas.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D518313816-09092002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D518313816-09092002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>What's=20
the saying? "Imitation is the best form of flattery," or something like=20
that...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D518313816-09092002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D518313816-09092002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>-FroBro Q-Tip</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]<B>On Behalf Of =
</B>loran=20
wilcox<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 08, 2002 11:23 PM<BR><B>To:</B> =
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Az-Geocaching] what =
makes a=20
good cache<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The best caches are those that =
introduce you to a=20
new area. Without these there are many places in Arizona I would have =
never=20
seen.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I don't need an ammo box with lots of =
stuff to make=20
a cache good. The good caches are those that someone has put some =
thought into.=20
Hiding it in someplace special, finding a new way to hide the cache, or =
making a=20
game of it with a puzzle or some other twist.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The worst caches are the copycats where =
a person=20
just feels the need to hide a cache.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am probably the worst one here in the =
valley at=20
playing the numbers game but I just have this need to go after any new =
cache.=20
And I will go after all caches I can. I don't like all the caches I =
find. Some=20
are as Cody stated nothing more than "it counts as a find". Some people =
have=20
wondered how I am able to find so many caches. First I have been out of =
work but=20
beyond that when I can find 14 caches in 4 and 1/2 hours they are just =
too easy=20
and/or too close together.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As I am leaving the area I will not =
have much=20
influence on this area but I truly believe that more thought needs =
to be=20
put into the placement of geocaches. I know there is that need to place =
a cache=20
and a simple one near home for the first cache is probably =
acceptable. But=20
later hides need to show more thought. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For the new cachers out there, wait =
awhile before=20
you hide a cache to learn some of the tricks. This will make the game =
more=20
enjoyable for everyone. </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Don't worry =
about a=20
negative karma number. If you look closely the most =
driven cachers=20
have the highest negative karma (with exceptions). It doesn't mean a =
thing. No=20
one expects you to hide a lot of caches. They only want you to hide good =
caches.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Have I said to much?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Loran (Team Sand Dollar)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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2002 8:55=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Az-Geocaching] =
what makes a=20
good cache</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D440343403-09092002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Stepping up to soapbox...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D440343403-09092002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D440343403-09092002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Cheryl and I visited 14 caches today along with 2 not =
founds. We=20
visited some very cool cache sites and a couple that had absolutely no =
thought, planning, or creativity involved. These are a waste of=20
my time, your time, and everyone involved. Yes it counts as =
a=20
find, but thats it. I would like to ask our fellow cachers =
to=20
please put some thought into their caches. At this rate, we'll =
have an=20
altoid tin hidden on every corner of the city. There are =
countless=20
magnificent places here in Arizona as well as right here in the =
valley. =20
Please seek these out and share them with the Geocaching =
community. =20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D440343403-09092002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D440343403-09092002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Stepping down,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D440343403-09092002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Cody</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D440343403-09092002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Team=20
CBX2</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D440343403-09092002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]<B>On Behalf =
Of=20
</B>WOLFB8<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 08, 2002 8:20 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Az-Geocaching] what =
makes a=20
good cache<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>With a increased number of =
geocacher in Arizona=20
we have a increased number of people hiding caches. I was just =
wondering=20
what people consider a good cache and a cache to just to add to your =
stats.=20
I am not looking for names of caches. ( I do not want to hurt =
anyone=20
feeling including mine if you think they suck) so if we were to =
break it=20
down in to </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>for stats only</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>almost good</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>good</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I will remember this =
one</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>great</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hopefully this can be a tool for =
the cacher out=20
there who want to hide a cache or 2</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Libby</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>We will be known by the tracks we leave behind</DIV>
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