[Az-Geocaching] The OASIS Cache

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Scott,

I already edited my log entry to make it less annoying and upsetting
for people like you. Many times I 'joke' in my logs, the original
intent of part of this log, but obviously that is lost on some people
who are overly senstive to certain issues. I will be more careful in
the future to not upset you.

There is a difference between hearing a bullet "zing" past you, and
hearing it hit a building. DUH. By the way, does "hunkered down" mean
anything to you, like, for example, we thought the gunfire was close??
Think!!

As for the rest, my original log speaks for itself. You were not
there, I am experienced and know what I am talking about, you did call
me certain names or imply certain things, and I wait for an apology. 

I will not get into a senseless debate with you when the facts are SO
obvious, and I am sure all the people on this list don't want to hear
it. You should have contacted me privately in the first place if you
had questions or a problem with what I said. I will not respond
anymore to your posts on htis matter.

If someone gets shot near that cache, accidently, they have been
warned.

Trisha


On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Scott Wood wrote:

> 
> At 09:59 AM 11/30/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> 
> >Well, Scott, since you chose to handle this publically on the list,
I
> >will respond in kind.
> 
> No, you started this publically by stating that you almost got shot,
> when 
> you log indicates differently.  I quote from you log entry.
> 
> #93....we hope to make the magic #100 before New Years! This was 5th
> of 6 
> caches we did, we just came from 'Skippy. Drove in, didn't see a soul
> or 
> hear anything, then halfway to the cache, GUNFIRE! YIKES! We
figgered,
> oh 
> well, we are out in the open no matter which way we go, so we
hunkered
> down 
> and finished in a hurry. We took a poncho and left some stickers and
a
> toy 
> bear. Hope the cache stays watertight. We never did locate the
> shooters, 
> but didn't hear any bullets zinging past us, so I think they were
just 
> target practicing. Either that or some hermit/militia type is living
> in the 
> abandoned, shot up house and takes pot-shots at the cachers coming
> by!! I 
> did note that the cacher listed before us online didn't have a log
> entry, 
> maybe the gunfire made him forget!!!! Well, on to Tamba to close out
> the day!
> Trisha & Dan
> 'Lightning' and 'VStar'
> Prescott Newlyweds
> Yavapai Co. Jeep Posse Searchers
> 
> You say right in your log that you didn't hear any bullets zining by
> you, 
> but now in your message you say that you did hear a bullet
> hit/ricochet off 
> of the building near you.  Which was it, did you hear the bullets or 
> not?  If you did, then yes, I would agree that you might have almost
> gotten 
> shot, but if you didn't, which is all that was indicated in your log
> entry, 
> then no, you didn't almost get shot.
> 
> >I, too, am a target shooter, I HUNT (elk and deer), I have a CCW
> >permit and legally carry a concealed semi-automatic weapon. I
legally
> >carry in the field as part of my search and rescue activities. HOW
> >DARE YOU ASSUME that I am somehow "anti-gun" or that I think it is
> 
> I never did assume that you were anti-gun, nor did I say that.  I
just 
> stated that you message to the list seemed to jump to a conclusion
> that you 
> "just about got SHOT" when there didn't seem to be any evidence that
> you 
> did.  As I said, all I had to go on was your message and log entry
> which 
> clearly states that you never saw a person shooting, nor did you ever
> hear 
> a bullet zinging by.
> 
> >Need I state the OBVIOUS that you were NOT THERE at the cache, so
how
> >do you know how close the gunfire was??? Are you the only person
> 
> No, I wasn't, I was just reading you account of the events.  Remeber,
> words 
> do mean things, and when you say "We never did locate the shooters,
> but 
> didn't hear any bullets zinging past us" it would indicate that the
> bullets 
> were not close to you.  For the record, ricochets make a zinging
> sound, 
> bullets that are still in normal flight have a very different sound,
I
> know 
> first hand.
> 
> >capable of judging how close gunfire is?? Since you have been to the
> >cache, do you remember the old abandoned (shot-up) building closest
to
> >the cache?? (Between the road and the cache) We heard the shot
> >hit/ricochet off THAT building. IT WAS THAT close. I call that "just
> >about got shot" as it was that close. Intentional or NOT!!! Our fear
> 
> As I said, if that was the case then you are right, but given your
> first 
> message and log entry you never said that.
> 
> >I REALLY take personal offense that you would go off on me like
that,
> >calling me "irresponsible", "uncomfortable around guns" and
attacking
> 
> I never said that you were uncomfortable around guns, but given what
> your 
> first message indicated and what you log says, I do believe that your
> first 
> message was irresponsible and would just go to instill fear of
target 
> shooters among those that are uncomfortable around guns and people
who
> own 
> guns.
> 
> >If you read my log, you would have seen that I said we saw and heard
> >nothing until we were part way to the cache. Had we seen the
shooters
> >prior to our walking to the cache, like Larry indicated he did, we
> >would have asked for them to stop for the few minutes it took to do
> >the cache.
> 
> I did read your log, and as I have said a couple time now, that is
> what 
> lead to my being upset about your message.  There was nothing in your
> log 
> to indicate that the bullets were ever close, infact it was just the
> opposite.
> 
> >And, how do you know FOR SURE it was a sport-target shooter? Maybe a
> >disgruntled mine-owner/land owner/crazy person wants people off his
> >private property!
> 
> Could be, but if that were the case, you would have most likely seen
> this 
> person as he/she was telling you to get off their property, or you
> would be 
> dead.
> 
> >I'll bet I'll get a whole bunch of negative comments back from this,
> >but I don't care. ALL of you keep in mind, before you respond, that
> >Scott brought this up, and  that YOU were not there, and the gunfire
> >was CLOSE. It was not a "mile off" as Scott the Psychic says. The
> 
> I never said that the shots were a mile off.  I said that COULD have
> been a 
> mile off.  You are the one that first said that you never saw a
person
> nor 
> HEARD A BULLET.  That story has now changed to say that you did hear
> bullets.
> 
> If you did hear the bullets, you really should go back and edit your
> log 
> entry.  If you would have put that in your log I would have never
said
> a 
> thing.  I based my message only on your statements that you never saw
> or 
> heard anything other than the report from the shots.
> 
> 
> In liberty,
> 
> Scott
> 
> wood@myblueheaven.com
> www.myblueheaven.com
> 
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