[Az-Geocaching] RE - The Oasis Scandle
skydad
listserv@azgeocaching.com
Sat, 30 Nov 2002 17:50:10 -0700
Just to let you all know the opinion of a few who take this sport for a what
it truly is meant to be - a fun way to experience the outdoors with friends
and family. To discover and share places with other people. It is also fun
that it has turned into a bit of a competitive sport which is good for all
who like a bit of a challenge. What has taken The Lunch Club and others
away from AZ Geocaching is the constant arguements posted. It is truly
insane that a hobby/sport can bring people to the point of having to share
political views, be abusive to other geocachers, etc. We have met some
really cool people geocaching but it sure seems that AZ Geocaching is a hot
bed for people who have lost sight of what this sport/hobby truly is and
should be for all. What was a great idea for Arizona geocachers has turned
into a total joke worth laughing and crying over. The immense work a few
people have spent developing the site is being wasted as more and more
people turn off to the site. . My advice to Snaptek - throw these jokers
off the threads and return it to the people who love geocaching for what it
was meant to be.
The Lunch Club
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> 1. The OASIS Cache (trisha@brasher.com)
> 2. SKIPPY cache (trisha@brasher.com)
> 3. Re: The OASIS Cache (Scott Wood)
> 4. Re: The OASIS Cache (trisha@brasher.com)
> 5. Re: The OASIS Cache (Scott Wood)
> 6. Re: The OASIS Cache (trisha@brasher.com)
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> Message: 1
> From: trisha@brasher.com
> To: "Arizona Geocaching" <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
> Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 18:49:51 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The OASIS Cache
> Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>
> I did a cache today north of Wickenberg/Congress called the OASIS
> cache....just about got SHOT....anyway, I noticed that the last person
> to log online, on 11/16, who shall remain nameless (but he goes by
> WYLE E) didn't have an entry in the cache log book!!! I have NO doubt
> that he found that cache (he almost got shot at too!!) but since Brain
> (smile) and I were having the discussion the other day about "you
> can't count a find unless the log is signed 'rule' " (I think there
> could be exceptions) I just wanted to point out that if the "KING of
> AZ CACHING" might once in a while forget to sign a log, that maybe us
> commoners can be excused too!! (I signed ALL of mine today, except one
> that didn't have a log in it, that would have been hard!)
> I am not critizising anybody, just belaboring my point again, and
> again, that "hard and fast' RULES are not always appropriate or
> followed in a GAME like this. Sign when you can, forget as little as
> possible, my new motto!! (hah hah hah) I am KIDDING everybody, before
> you get all bent.
> Hope you had a great Thanksgiving, we ate so much I could hardly hike
> up Williams Mtn!!!
>
> Trisha "Lightning"
> Prescott Newlywed
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "Although no one can go back and
> make a brand new start,
> Anyone can start from now and
> make a brand new ending."
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> Message: 2
> From: trisha@brasher.com
> To: "Arizona Geocaching" <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
> Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 18:56:21 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: [Az-Geocaching] SKIPPY cache
> Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>
> Hi all,
> I don't know how many of the 43 logged cachers on the SKIPPY cache
> near Congress went the extra 0.1 miles to the OLD Congress Pioneer
> Cemetary, but it was very interesting, historical and sobering. So
> many small (child) unmarked graves. See my log on the cache page GC50C
> for more.
> Trisha "Lightning"
> Prescott
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "Although no one can go back and
> make a brand new start,
> Anyone can start from now and
> make a brand new ending."
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 01:12:58 -0700
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> From: Scott Wood <wood@myblueheaven.com>
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] The OASIS Cache
> Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>
> At 06:49 PM 11/29/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>
> >I did a cache today north of Wickenberg/Congress called the OASIS
> >cache....just about got SHOT....anyway, I noticed that the last person
> >to log online, on 11/16, who shall remain nameless (but he goes by
>
> I have to jump in here. How can you say that you "just about got SHOT"
> when you just heard gunfire? As a regular target shooter I take great
> offense at the notion that just because a person hears gunshots that they
> are somehow intended to hit the person, or endanger the person that hears
> the shots. I don't mean this as a personal thing, but what on earth would
> make you think that you were the target of this gunfire?
>
> As I said, I have been target shooting for a long time, and it is just as
> legitimate of an outdoor activity as goecahing or hiking. I am also
> getting pretty tired of being maligned just because I choose to engage in
a
> hobby that others might find politically incorrect.
>
> I have been to the cache that you mention, and yes, I did log it, and that
> area is pretty flat with the exception of the hills that the cache is
> located in. Gunshots will be heard there for a very long distance and
> could have been over a mile from you, in an entirely different direction.
>
> I realize that there are always going to be people that are uncomfortable
> around those that have guns, but I feel that it was very irresponsible for
> you to say that you "just about got SHOT" when you have no idea if the
> gunfire was anywhere near you. You actually said that you never saw the
> people shooting, so more than likely you didn't just about get shot.
>
> Please don't take what I said the wrong way, but I would ask that you
> choose your words more carefully, they do actually mean things.
>
> I hope that your message doesn't scare people off, OASIS is actually a
> decent little cache.
>
>
> In liberty,
>
> Scott
>
> wood@myblueheaven.com
> www.myblueheaven.com
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> From: trisha@brasher.com
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] The OASIS Cache
> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 09:59:44 -0800 (PST)
> Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>
> Well, Scott, since you chose to handle this publically on the list, I
> will respond in kind.
>
> Scott, BACK OFF. You need to sit down, take a deep breath, and lay off
> of the personal attack on me. YES, personal. You were not there and
> YOU are judging my account of the events and calling me names (like,
> "irresponsible"). NOW, I will get on MY soapbox!
>
> I, too, am a target shooter, I HUNT (elk and deer), I have a CCW
> permit and legally carry a concealed semi-automatic weapon. I legally
> carry in the field as part of my search and rescue activities. HOW
> DARE YOU ASSUME that I am somehow "anti-gun" or that I think it is
> "politically incorrect"??? I am about as PRO-GUN (sport and defensive)
> as they come. I have even been directly threatened; about 2 years ago,
> living as a single mom, I thwarted a break-in (yes, they actually
> broke in my house) BECAUSE I had a gun. The police, to whom I made a
> rather frantic 911 call, never even showed up! They didn't keep me on
> the phone as they are supposed to do, and they were so busy they
> "forgot" until I called them again. Thank God I have a weapon to
> defend myself and my family.
>
> Need I state the OBVIOUS that you were NOT THERE at the cache, so how
> do you know how close the gunfire was??? Are you the only person
> capable of judging how close gunfire is?? Since you have been to the
> cache, do you remember the old abandoned (shot-up) building closest to
> the cache?? (Between the road and the cache) We heard the shot
> hit/ricochet off THAT building. IT WAS THAT close. I call that "just
> about got shot" as it was that close. Intentional or NOT!!! Our fear
> was that those shooting didn't know we were in the area, so we yelled
> out "HEY WE ARE HERE" and after two more shots, it stopped. We have no
> idea where the people were. Who are you to judge an experience that
> you were not even part of??????
>
> I REALLY take personal offense that you would go off on me like that,
> calling me "irresponsible", "uncomfortable around guns" and attacking
> my ability to assess a situation involving gunfire, when you had NO
> IDEA how close the gunfire was to us. Shame on you!!! You need to
> publically apologize for being totally out of line and attacking my
> story, my views and my credibility.
>
> If you read my log, you would have seen that I said we saw and heard
> nothing until we were part way to the cache. Had we seen the shooters
> prior to our walking to the cache, like Larry indicated he did, we
> would have asked for them to stop for the few minutes it took to do
> the cache.
>
> And, how do you know FOR SURE it was a sport-target shooter? Maybe a
> disgruntled mine-owner/land owner/crazy person wants people off his
> private property! There was a sign there granting access, but it did
> have restrictions on shooting near (OR AT) buildings. OBVIOUSLY this
> person who SHOT AT AND HIT the old building NEAR US was violating the
> law. Some kind of law-abiding target shooter? Maybe not.
>
> Next time, may I recommend that you keep your mouth shut until you
> know more facts about the situation. Free speech and free expression
> are fine, but it doesn't mean you are always right.
>
> I'll bet I'll get a whole bunch of negative comments back from this,
> but I don't care. ALL of you keep in mind, before you respond, that
> Scott brought this up, and that YOU were not there, and the gunfire
> was CLOSE. It was not a "mile off" as Scott the Psychic says. The
> building that WE HEARD GET HIT was less than 50 yards from our
> position at that time, (on the way to the cache) and about 25 yards
> from our vehicle, and we had no idea exactly which direction the
> shooter was. (It was so loud, it was hard to assess direction against
> that hill) You be the judge, under THOSE conditions, as to whether we
> had a right to be concerned. I think anybody attempting this cache
> needs to be aware, and careful.
>
> Trisha
> Prescott
>
>
>
> On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Scott Wood wrote:
>
> >
> > At 06:49 PM 11/29/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> >
> > >I did a cache today north of Wickenberg/Congress called the OASIS
> > >cache....just about got SHOT....anyway, I noticed that the last
> person
> > >to log online, on 11/16, who shall remain nameless (but he goes by
> >
> > I have to jump in here. How can you say that you "just about got
> > SHOT"
> > when you just heard gunfire? As a regular target shooter I take
> great
> > offense at the notion that just because a person hears gunshots that
> > they
> > are somehow intended to hit the person, or endanger the person that
> > hears
> > the shots. I don't mean this as a personal thing, but what on earth
> > would
> > make you think that you were the target of this gunfire?
> >
> > As I said, I have been target shooting for a long time, and it is
> just
> > as
> > legitimate of an outdoor activity as goecahing or hiking. I am also
> > getting pretty tired of being maligned just because I choose to
> engage
> > in a
> > hobby that others might find politically incorrect.
> >
> > I have been to the cache that you mention, and yes, I did log it, and
> > that
> > area is pretty flat with the exception of the hills that the cache
> is
> > located in. Gunshots will be heard there for a very long distance
> and
> > could have been over a mile from you, in an entirely different
> > direction.
> >
> > I realize that there are always going to be people that are
> > uncomfortable
> > around those that have guns, but I feel that it was very
> irresponsible
> > for
> > you to say that you "just about got SHOT" when you have no idea if
> the
> > gunfire was anywhere near you. You actually said that you never saw
> > the
> > people shooting, so more than likely you didn't just about get shot.
> >
> > Please don't take what I said the wrong way, but I would ask that
> you
> > choose your words more carefully, they do actually mean things.
> >
> > I hope that your message doesn't scare people off, OASIS is actually
> a
> > decent little cache.
> >
> >
> > In liberty,
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > wood@myblueheaven.com
> > www.myblueheaven.com
> >
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> make a brand new start,
> Anyone can start from now and
> make a brand new ending."
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:34:32 -0700
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> From: Scott Wood <wood@myblueheaven.com>
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] The OASIS Cache
> Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>
> At 09:59 AM 11/30/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>
> >Well, Scott, since you chose to handle this publically on the list, I
> >will respond in kind.
>
> No, you started this publically by stating that you almost got shot, when
> you log indicates differently. I quote from you log entry.
>
> #93....we hope to make the magic #100 before New Years! This was 5th of 6
> caches we did, we just came from 'Skippy. Drove in, didn't see a soul or
> hear anything, then halfway to the cache, GUNFIRE! YIKES! We figgered, oh
> well, we are out in the open no matter which way we go, so we hunkered
down
> and finished in a hurry. We took a poncho and left some stickers and a toy
> bear. Hope the cache stays watertight. We never did locate the shooters,
> but didn't hear any bullets zinging past us, so I think they were just
> target practicing. Either that or some hermit/militia type is living in
the
> abandoned, shot up house and takes pot-shots at the cachers coming by!! I
> did note that the cacher listed before us online didn't have a log entry,
> maybe the gunfire made him forget!!!! Well, on to Tamba to close out the
day!
> Trisha & Dan
> 'Lightning' and 'VStar'
> Prescott Newlyweds
> Yavapai Co. Jeep Posse Searchers
>
> You say right in your log that you didn't hear any bullets zining by you,
> but now in your message you say that you did hear a bullet hit/ricochet
off
> of the building near you. Which was it, did you hear the bullets or
> not? If you did, then yes, I would agree that you might have almost
gotten
> shot, but if you didn't, which is all that was indicated in your log
entry,
> then no, you didn't almost get shot.
>
> >I, too, am a target shooter, I HUNT (elk and deer), I have a CCW
> >permit and legally carry a concealed semi-automatic weapon. I legally
> >carry in the field as part of my search and rescue activities. HOW
> >DARE YOU ASSUME that I am somehow "anti-gun" or that I think it is
>
> I never did assume that you were anti-gun, nor did I say that. I just
> stated that you message to the list seemed to jump to a conclusion that
you
> "just about got SHOT" when there didn't seem to be any evidence that you
> did. As I said, all I had to go on was your message and log entry which
> clearly states that you never saw a person shooting, nor did you ever hear
> a bullet zinging by.
>
> >Need I state the OBVIOUS that you were NOT THERE at the cache, so how
> >do you know how close the gunfire was??? Are you the only person
>
> No, I wasn't, I was just reading you account of the events. Remeber,
words
> do mean things, and when you say "We never did locate the shooters, but
> didn't hear any bullets zinging past us" it would indicate that the
bullets
> were not close to you. For the record, ricochets make a zinging sound,
> bullets that are still in normal flight have a very different sound, I
know
> first hand.
>
> >capable of judging how close gunfire is?? Since you have been to the
> >cache, do you remember the old abandoned (shot-up) building closest to
> >the cache?? (Between the road and the cache) We heard the shot
> >hit/ricochet off THAT building. IT WAS THAT close. I call that "just
> >about got shot" as it was that close. Intentional or NOT!!! Our fear
>
> As I said, if that was the case then you are right, but given your first
> message and log entry you never said that.
>
> >I REALLY take personal offense that you would go off on me like that,
> >calling me "irresponsible", "uncomfortable around guns" and attacking
>
> I never said that you were uncomfortable around guns, but given what your
> first message indicated and what you log says, I do believe that your
first
> message was irresponsible and would just go to instill fear of target
> shooters among those that are uncomfortable around guns and people who own
> guns.
>
> >If you read my log, you would have seen that I said we saw and heard
> >nothing until we were part way to the cache. Had we seen the shooters
> >prior to our walking to the cache, like Larry indicated he did, we
> >would have asked for them to stop for the few minutes it took to do
> >the cache.
>
> I did read your log, and as I have said a couple time now, that is what
> lead to my being upset about your message. There was nothing in your log
> to indicate that the bullets were ever close, infact it was just the
opposite.
>
> >And, how do you know FOR SURE it was a sport-target shooter? Maybe a
> >disgruntled mine-owner/land owner/crazy person wants people off his
> >private property!
>
> Could be, but if that were the case, you would have most likely seen this
> person as he/she was telling you to get off their property, or you would
be
> dead.
>
> >I'll bet I'll get a whole bunch of negative comments back from this,
> >but I don't care. ALL of you keep in mind, before you respond, that
> >Scott brought this up, and that YOU were not there, and the gunfire
> >was CLOSE. It was not a "mile off" as Scott the Psychic says. The
>
> I never said that the shots were a mile off. I said that COULD have been
a
> mile off. You are the one that first said that you never saw a person nor
> HEARD A BULLET. That story has now changed to say that you did hear
bullets.
>
> If you did hear the bullets, you really should go back and edit your log
> entry. If you would have put that in your log I would have never said a
> thing. I based my message only on your statements that you never saw or
> heard anything other than the report from the shots.
>
>
> In liberty,
>
> Scott
>
> wood@myblueheaven.com
> www.myblueheaven.com
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> From: trisha@brasher.com
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] The OASIS Cache
> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 10:55:16 -0800 (PST)
> Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>
> Scott,
>
> I already edited my log entry to make it less annoying and upsetting
> for people like you. Many times I 'joke' in my logs, the original
> intent of part of this log, but obviously that is lost on some people
> who are overly senstive to certain issues. I will be more careful in
> the future to not upset you.
>
> There is a difference between hearing a bullet "zing" past you, and
> hearing it hit a building. DUH. By the way, does "hunkered down" mean
> anything to you, like, for example, we thought the gunfire was close??
> Think!!
>
> As for the rest, my original log speaks for itself. You were not
> there, I am experienced and know what I am talking about, you did call
> me certain names or imply certain things, and I wait for an apology.
>
> I will not get into a senseless debate with you when the facts are SO
> obvious, and I am sure all the people on this list don't want to hear
> it. You should have contacted me privately in the first place if you
> had questions or a problem with what I said. I will not respond
> anymore to your posts on htis matter.
>
> If someone gets shot near that cache, accidently, they have been
> warned.
>
> Trisha
>
>
> On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Scott Wood wrote:
>
> >
> > At 09:59 AM 11/30/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> >
> > >Well, Scott, since you chose to handle this publically on the list,
> I
> > >will respond in kind.
> >
> > No, you started this publically by stating that you almost got shot,
> > when
> > you log indicates differently. I quote from you log entry.
> >
> > #93....we hope to make the magic #100 before New Years! This was 5th
> > of 6
> > caches we did, we just came from 'Skippy. Drove in, didn't see a soul
> > or
> > hear anything, then halfway to the cache, GUNFIRE! YIKES! We
> figgered,
> > oh
> > well, we are out in the open no matter which way we go, so we
> hunkered
> > down
> > and finished in a hurry. We took a poncho and left some stickers and
> a
> > toy
> > bear. Hope the cache stays watertight. We never did locate the
> > shooters,
> > but didn't hear any bullets zinging past us, so I think they were
> just
> > target practicing. Either that or some hermit/militia type is living
> > in the
> > abandoned, shot up house and takes pot-shots at the cachers coming
> > by!! I
> > did note that the cacher listed before us online didn't have a log
> > entry,
> > maybe the gunfire made him forget!!!! Well, on to Tamba to close out
> > the day!
> > Trisha & Dan
> > 'Lightning' and 'VStar'
> > Prescott Newlyweds
> > Yavapai Co. Jeep Posse Searchers
> >
> > You say right in your log that you didn't hear any bullets zining by
> > you,
> > but now in your message you say that you did hear a bullet
> > hit/ricochet off
> > of the building near you. Which was it, did you hear the bullets or
> > not? If you did, then yes, I would agree that you might have almost
> > gotten
> > shot, but if you didn't, which is all that was indicated in your log
> > entry,
> > then no, you didn't almost get shot.
> >
> > >I, too, am a target shooter, I HUNT (elk and deer), I have a CCW
> > >permit and legally carry a concealed semi-automatic weapon. I
> legally
> > >carry in the field as part of my search and rescue activities. HOW
> > >DARE YOU ASSUME that I am somehow "anti-gun" or that I think it is
> >
> > I never did assume that you were anti-gun, nor did I say that. I
> just
> > stated that you message to the list seemed to jump to a conclusion
> > that you
> > "just about got SHOT" when there didn't seem to be any evidence that
> > you
> > did. As I said, all I had to go on was your message and log entry
> > which
> > clearly states that you never saw a person shooting, nor did you ever
> > hear
> > a bullet zinging by.
> >
> > >Need I state the OBVIOUS that you were NOT THERE at the cache, so
> how
> > >do you know how close the gunfire was??? Are you the only person
> >
> > No, I wasn't, I was just reading you account of the events. Remeber,
> > words
> > do mean things, and when you say "We never did locate the shooters,
> > but
> > didn't hear any bullets zinging past us" it would indicate that the
> > bullets
> > were not close to you. For the record, ricochets make a zinging
> > sound,
> > bullets that are still in normal flight have a very different sound,
> I
> > know
> > first hand.
> >
> > >capable of judging how close gunfire is?? Since you have been to the
> > >cache, do you remember the old abandoned (shot-up) building closest
> to
> > >the cache?? (Between the road and the cache) We heard the shot
> > >hit/ricochet off THAT building. IT WAS THAT close. I call that "just
> > >about got shot" as it was that close. Intentional or NOT!!! Our fear
> >
> > As I said, if that was the case then you are right, but given your
> > first
> > message and log entry you never said that.
> >
> > >I REALLY take personal offense that you would go off on me like
> that,
> > >calling me "irresponsible", "uncomfortable around guns" and
> attacking
> >
> > I never said that you were uncomfortable around guns, but given what
> > your
> > first message indicated and what you log says, I do believe that your
> > first
> > message was irresponsible and would just go to instill fear of
> target
> > shooters among those that are uncomfortable around guns and people
> who
> > own
> > guns.
> >
> > >If you read my log, you would have seen that I said we saw and heard
> > >nothing until we were part way to the cache. Had we seen the
> shooters
> > >prior to our walking to the cache, like Larry indicated he did, we
> > >would have asked for them to stop for the few minutes it took to do
> > >the cache.
> >
> > I did read your log, and as I have said a couple time now, that is
> > what
> > lead to my being upset about your message. There was nothing in your
> > log
> > to indicate that the bullets were ever close, infact it was just the
> > opposite.
> >
> > >And, how do you know FOR SURE it was a sport-target shooter? Maybe a
> > >disgruntled mine-owner/land owner/crazy person wants people off his
> > >private property!
> >
> > Could be, but if that were the case, you would have most likely seen
> > this
> > person as he/she was telling you to get off their property, or you
> > would be
> > dead.
> >
> > >I'll bet I'll get a whole bunch of negative comments back from this,
> > >but I don't care. ALL of you keep in mind, before you respond, that
> > >Scott brought this up, and that YOU were not there, and the gunfire
> > >was CLOSE. It was not a "mile off" as Scott the Psychic says. The
> >
> > I never said that the shots were a mile off. I said that COULD have
> > been a
> > mile off. You are the one that first said that you never saw a
> person
> > nor
> > HEARD A BULLET. That story has now changed to say that you did hear
> > bullets.
> >
> > If you did hear the bullets, you really should go back and edit your
> > log
> > entry. If you would have put that in your log I would have never
> said
> > a
> > thing. I based my message only on your statements that you never saw
> > or
> > heard anything other than the report from the shots.
> >
> >
> > In liberty,
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > wood@myblueheaven.com
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> >
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