I would appreciate it if you would provide a list of at least some of the GCs for the caches you find questionable in terms of their location. You can e-mail me privately as well if you prefer.

Brian

Team A.I.

From: az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Esteban
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:36 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group

I did some reading online. I need to check this out when i get home because it seems that, legally speaking, geocaching is quite limited. So far it seems that several the caches that I had in mind to visit may have been inappropriately placed...

Anyway, thanks for this tip.

Esteban

On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Andrew Ayre <andy@britishideas.com> wrote:

Wilderness areas are marked on Topo maps, so you can clearly see the
boundaries.

Andy

Esteban wrote:
> Do you have a link I can read up more on this? I will do a seach
> myself, but I am curious what "wilderness" means because I can think of
> MANY caches here in Tucson that would seem to be part of the "wilderness."
>
> Please excuse my ignorance and thank you for your patience. I am very,
> very new to this all.
>
> - Esteban (bakura82)
>
>
> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Brian Casteel <bcasteel@uccinc.net

> <mailto:bcasteel@uccinc.net>> wrote:
>
> Any area designated as "wilderness", caches are not allowed. Per
> the Wilderness Act of 1964, such items are deemed trash and thus,
> are not permitted.
>
>
>
> Brian
>
> Team A.I.
>
>
>
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> *From:* az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com
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> [mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com
> <mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com>] *On Behalf
> Of *Esteban
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:03 AM
>

> *To:* listserv@azgeocaching.com <mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com>

> *Subject:* Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group
>
>
>
>
>
> Shadowace,
>
> I am new to this all and I really appreciate this information you
> posted because I honestly had no idea how much trouble the BLM says
> we should be going to. So, for example, if someone hides a parking
> lot cache at ABC Supermarket, are they required to contact the BLM
> first and also the owner(s) of that land in which the parking lot
> resides for permission? Wow.
>
> Also, you said "No wilderness area". What exactly do you mean by this?
>
> - Esteban (bakura82)
>
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>
> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:11:44 -0700

> From: shadowace.az <http://shadowace.az>@gmail.com <http://gmail.com>
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com <mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com>

> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group
>
> Another thing that was tried as a reason for the last attempt was to
> make a unified front of cachers to represent ourselves with land
> managers in regards to placing caches legally with permission.
>
> Many land managers are ready to see Geocaching outlawed in this
> state as well as other states because people simply refuse to follow
> simple guidelines such as 'get permission' 'no tribal lands' 'no NPS
> lands' 'No Wilderness areas'
>
> Now you begin to create a governing body to organize all this
> together and form a groups to work on it. Many times it is a local
> group in the area of the person who gets it going who is then
> speaking for all cachers in the state.
>
> Do you really think you want to be the one going to the BLM and
> promising that every cache on BLM land will be placed only after
> obtaining permission from the BLM manager of the area?
>
> http://www.blm.gov/az/outrec/geocache.htm
>
> Arizona's
>
>
> *BLM's Geocaching Game Rules*
>
> * _Identify proposed cache locations to the local BLM office
> before placing a cache_
> * Do not place caches at archaeological sites
> * Obtain a BLM permit for any competitive events, contests for
> prizes, paid participation, or caches hosted by commercial
> business
> * Advise BLM if you observe any misuse or abuse of a cache location
>
> Do you really want to be the one staking your word that everyone
> else is following the rules?
>
> Honest show of hands, how many truly get permission before placing
> a cache?
>
> I like the idea of a geocaching organization statewide however I
> also see truth in reality and know as long as groundspeak is open to
> everyone then many will not follow the rules and I for one no longer
> wish to stick my neck out with land managers.
>
> ~ShadowAce / Dirk
>
>
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