I would appreciate it if you would provide
a list of at least some of the GCs for the caches you find questionable in
terms of their location. You can e-mail me privately as well if you prefer.
Brian
Team A.I.
From:
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[mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Esteban
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008
10:36 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching]
Caching Group
I did some reading
online. I need to check this out when i get home because it seems that,
legally speaking, geocaching is quite limited. So far it seems that
several the caches that I had in mind to visit may have been inappropriately
placed...
Anyway, thanks for this tip.
Esteban
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Andrew Ayre <andy@britishideas.com> wrote:
Wilderness areas are marked on Topo maps, so you can clearly see the
boundaries.
Andy
Esteban wrote:
> Do you have a link I can read up more on this? I will do a seach
> myself, but I am curious what "wilderness" means because I can
think of
> MANY caches here in
>
> Please excuse my ignorance and thank you for your patience. I am
very,
> very new to this all.
>
> - Esteban (bakura82)
>
>
> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Brian Casteel <bcasteel@uccinc.net
> <mailto:bcasteel@uccinc.net>>
wrote:
>
> Any area designated as "wilderness", caches are
not allowed. Per
> the Wilderness Act of 1964, such items are deemed trash and
thus,
> are not permitted.
>
>
>
> Brian
>
> Team A.I.
>
>
>
>
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*On Behalf
> Of *Esteban
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:03 AM
>
> *To:* listserv@azgeocaching.com
<mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group
>
>
>
>
>
> Shadowace,
>
> I am new to this all and I really appreciate this
information you
> posted because I honestly had no idea how much trouble the
BLM says
> we should be going to. So, for example, if someone
hides a parking
> lot cache at ABC Supermarket, are they required to contact
the BLM
> first and also the owner(s) of that land in which the
parking lot
> resides for permission? Wow.
>
> Also, you said "No wilderness area". What
exactly do you mean by this?
>
> - Esteban (bakura82)
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:11:44 -0700
> From: shadowace.az
<http://shadowace.az>@gmail.com <http://gmail.com>
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
<mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com>
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group
>
> Another thing that was tried as a reason for the last
attempt was to
> make a unified front of cachers to represent ourselves with
land
> managers in regards to placing caches legally with
permission.
>
> Many land managers are ready to see Geocaching
outlawed in this
> state as well as other states because people simply refuse
to follow
> simple guidelines such as 'get permission' 'no tribal lands'
'no NPS
> lands' 'No Wilderness areas'
>
> Now you begin to create a governing body to organize
all this
> together and form a groups to work on it. Many times it is a
local
> group in the area of the person who gets it going who is
then
> speaking for all cachers in the state.
>
> Do you really think you want to be the one going to
the BLM and
> promising that every cache on BLM land will be placed only
after
> obtaining permission from the BLM manager of the area?
>
> http://www.blm.gov/az/outrec/geocache.htm
>
>
>
>
> *BLM's Geocaching Game Rules*
>
> * _Identify proposed cache locations to the
local BLM office
> before placing a cache_
> * Do not place caches at archaeological sites
> * Obtain a BLM permit for any competitive
events, contests for
> prizes, paid participation, or caches
hosted by commercial
> business
> * Advise BLM if you observe any misuse or
abuse of a cache location
>
> Do you really want to be the one staking your word
that everyone
> else is following the rules?
>
> Honest show of hands, how many truly get permission
before placing
> a cache?
>
> I like the idea of a geocaching organization statewide
however I
> also see truth in reality and know as long as groundspeak is
open to
> everyone then many will not follow the rules and I for one
no longer
> wish to stick my neck out with land managers.
>
> ~ShadowAce / Dirk
>
>
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