Hear, hear.

While I have found my share of urban caches, I also have found a few (much fewer) rural/wilderness caches. I have found enjoyment in both. Some caches are urban, some wilderness. I have found both to be of interest.

I have placed both types. I get thanks for both.

Just because you have time/desire/funds/vehicles/resources/etc. to go out into the wilderness for your caches, does not mean the next cacher does. When the opportunities present themselves, or plans are able to make it a choice, I love to go get the more rural/remote cache. They are of great interest to me. But, due to other my time/resource/priority constraints, I am not able to go get them every weekend/day. Am I not to be able to go get the local cache challenge? Yes, some of them are less challenging than others. So what?

Please remember, as enjoyable as this sport/hobby/game is, it is not the be all and end all of life. Family (wife, kids, parents etc.) do take a higher priority. Work/church needs to be attended to. Caching is a fun way to enhance life, not take it over.

Steven Stringham
StringCachers

AZPAUL wrote:

Oh hell, here we go again. It seems that we just had this discussion 
last week. I don't know why some cachers think that the way they play 
the game is the only way to play it. If you don't like urban caches than 
don't do them, its that simple.

Besides, who are we to say which caches have value or not. If a cache 
has given a cacher some fun and enjoyment finding it, then it has value.

AZPAUL

           ----- Arizona Geocaching -----
----- Where difficulty is measured in degrees -----



PATRICK FINLEY wrote:

Very nicely put, Regan. There seems to be a whole generation of 
cachers who think lite pole caches and park bench/playground caches 
are the norm nowadays. I had the pleasure of sitting down with Jeff 
(Team 360) JR (team AJ.JR ) and Dave Ulmer a few years back, and was a 
little surprised with Daves take on the sport of geocaching that he 
gave birth to. Strangely enough, I remember him saying that he had no 
idea that geocaching would have become so big (with the help of 
Jeremy) and that he really didn't keep up with the game a whole lot. 
At that time he was travelling around the country in his motorhome and 
must have driven by a whole plethora of caches everyday. Maybe it was 
just my take on what he said, but I got the distinct feeling he wasn't 
too receptive of the idea of many of the urban/city caches being 
placed at that time. I wonder what his feelings are today? I hear 
about cachers with
 physical limitations, and I'm sure there are quite 
a few cachers out there with legitimate physical disabilities, but 
there's also a bunch of "lazy" cachers out there who spend way too 
much time sitting on their butt playing on the computer, by 
choice. Some of those cachers have limitations  like being way too fat 
(bad knees, etc.) or just totally out of shape from sitting on their 
rears. Hands-On Cachers have a cache near Montana Mountain that is 
named "Get off the Couch, and Cache" (GC1JQY7) which says it all, as 
far as I'm concerned. I think many urban park/parking lot/electrical 
boxes/sprinkler head cachers use the excuse that these caches are 
hidden for those who just can't do the hiking or off-road caches due 
to physical limitations, wrong vehicle, or time constraints. That's 
baloney. I feel empathy for those who really are handicapped, but that 
group of cachers is a very small minority of the
 total caching crowd. 
For those who have ventured out in the desert or mountains to seek a 
hiking/off road cache, my hat's off to you. The feeling of actually 
having to put forth some effort to get to one of these caches 
is wonderful, and beats doing 25-50 urban caches, hands down. I still 
do a few urban caches, if I'm in the mood, but enjoy the caches placed 
in the boonies a whole lot more. AZcachemeister and AZgeckogirl, as 
well as AJ.JR , TEF, 360, ShadowAce,Desert Rhino, Sprocket 1980, 
Roping-the-Wind, Team A.I., Highpointer, Hands-On Cachers, Just Hike 
and quite a few others place mostly caches that include some effort to 
get to, a scenic location, and a sense of accomplishment. I know the 
numbers thing is attractive to quite a few cachers, as we got caught 
up in it in the "early" days, but do we need "power trails" such 
as Redundant #1 thru #100? There seems to be a rash of cachers placing
 
caches .10 apart, with little, or no value, other than to pump up the 
numbers. Just because you have more finds than somebody else doesn't 
mean that you're a better cacher, or that folks respect you more. 
Arizona Ranger Team has quite a few less finds than I Do, but 
I respect their sense of adventure, and the type of caches they 
pursue. Anyway, I hope I haven't stepped on too many toes, and want to 
thank all of those cachers who place hides that have some true 
value...............   

    ----- Original Message -----
    *From:* Regan Smith <mailto:evilfish@cox.net>
    *To:* listserv@azgeocaching.com <mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com>
    *Sent:* Saturday, December 27, 2008 11:51 AM
    *Subject:* [Az-Geocaching] Why I became a Premium Member

    Ya Know I really didn't want to pay for a Premium Membership, as
    for the many years prior Geocaching was about the Geo taking the
    GPS putting in coordinates and finding a cache outside..

    Now as if a bad plague I felt it very necessary for me to pay to
    Ignore armchair caching, Have all the good stand alone caching
    locations been taken that you have to add sitting infront of the
    computer playing math and phone games before going out to enjoy
    the outdoors. Has climate change done so much to ruin wanting to
    spend time outside????

    When Dave Ulmer hid his cache he said come and find it, now how
    many take the trip to see that spot??.. Yes times change but the
    principle
 of here is a cache and go find it should not be  perverted.


    I was told by Alex months ago if you do not like that type of hide
    why hide one like it? I so want to hide a more devious cache page
    cache so all the minority cachers can bitch and moan at their lack
    of understanding my logic but will not pervert the game any more.
    but the lock and cable will remain....

    Just like giving the challenge to a few other cacher about
    stepping up their game I will add now Keep it up.


    Thanks ACM for the enlightenment of the Ignore button
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