That’s not very likely among this bunch. But if there are issues, it falls back on those doing the approving, because it isn’t difficult to figure out if an area is inside the wilderness boundaries. In fact, they are usually bordered by a fence and marked as being wilderness for those hoofing it to the caches.

Brian

Team A.I.

From: az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Esteban
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:27 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group

That's fine. I just didn't want to start a witch hunt out of my ignorance.

Esteban

On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Brian Casteel <bcasteel@uccinc.net> wrote:

I just wanted to map them and see if I could help out a bit is all.

Brian

Team A.I.

From: az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Esteban
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:57 AM

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group

I still have a lot to learn before I can say with certainty that any cache is questionable.

On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Brian Casteel <bcasteel@uccinc.net> wrote:

I would appreciate it if you would provide a list of at least some of the GCs for the caches you find questionable in terms of their location. You can e-mail me privately as well if you prefer.

Brian

Team A.I.

Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group

I did some reading online. I need to check this out when i get home because it seems that, legally speaking, geocaching is quite limited. So far it seems that several the caches that I had in mind to visit may have been inappropriately placed...

Anyway, thanks for this tip.

Esteban

On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Andrew Ayre <andy@britishideas.com> wrote:

Wilderness areas are marked on Topo maps, so you can clearly see the
boundaries.

Andy

Esteban wrote:
> Do you have a link I can read up more on this? I will do a seach
> myself, but I am curious what "wilderness" means because I can think of
> MANY caches here in Tucson that would seem to be part of the "wilderness."
>
> Please excuse my ignorance and thank you for your patience. I am very,
> very new to this all.
>
> - Esteban (bakura82)
>
>
> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Brian Casteel <bcasteel@uccinc.net

> <mailto:bcasteel@uccinc.net>> wrote:
>
> Any area designated as "wilderness", caches are not allowed. Per
> the Wilderness Act of 1964, such items are deemed trash and thus,
> are not permitted.
>
>
>
> Brian
>
> Team A.I.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com
> <mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com>
> [mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com
> <mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com>] *On Behalf
> Of *Esteban
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:03 AM
>

> *To:* listserv@azgeocaching.com <mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com>

> *Subject:* Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group
>
>
>
>
>
> Shadowace,
>
> I am new to this all and I really appreciate this information you
> posted because I honestly had no idea how much trouble the BLM says
> we should be going to. So, for example, if someone hides a parking
> lot cache at ABC Supermarket, are they required to contact the BLM
> first and also the owner(s) of that land in which the parking lot
> resides for permission? Wow.
>
> Also, you said "No wilderness area". What exactly do you mean by this?
>
> - Esteban (bakura82)
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:11:44 -0700

> From: shadowace.az <http://shadowace.az>@gmail.com <http://gmail.com>
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com <mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com>

> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group
>
> Another thing that was tried as a reason for the last attempt was to
> make a unified front of cachers to represent ourselves with land
> managers in regards to placing caches legally with permission.
>
> Many land managers are ready to see Geocaching outlawed in this
> state as well as other states because people simply refuse to follow
> simple guidelines such as 'get permission' 'no tribal lands' 'no NPS
> lands' 'No Wilderness areas'
>
> Now you begin to create a governing body to organize all this
> together and form a groups to work on it. Many times it is a local
> group in the area of the person who gets it going who is then
> speaking for all cachers in the state.
>
> Do you really think you want to be the one going to the BLM and
> promising that every cache on BLM land will be placed only after
> obtaining permission from the BLM manager of the area?
>
> http://www.blm.gov/az/outrec/geocache.htm
>
> Arizona's
>
>
> *BLM's Geocaching Game Rules*
>
> * _Identify proposed cache locations to the local BLM office
> before placing a cache_
> * Do not place caches at archaeological sites
> * Obtain a BLM permit for any competitive events, contests for
> prizes, paid participation, or caches hosted by commercial
> business
> * Advise BLM if you observe any misuse or abuse of a cache location
>
> Do you really want to be the one staking your word that everyone
> else is following the rules?
>
> Honest show of hands, how many truly get permission before placing
> a cache?
>
> I like the idea of a geocaching organization statewide however I
> also see truth in reality and know as long as groundspeak is open to
> everyone then many will not follow the rules and I for one no longer
> wish to stick my neck out with land managers.
>
> ~ShadowAce / Dirk
>
>
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