Do you have a link I can read up more on this?  I will do a seach myself,
but I am curious what "wilderness" means because I can think of MANY caches
here in Tucson that would seem to be part of the "wilderness."

Please excuse my ignorance and thank you for your patience.  I am very, very
new to this all.

- Esteban (bakura82)


On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Brian Casteel <bcasteel@uccinc.net> wrote:

>  Any area designated as "wilderness", caches are not allowed.  Per the
> Wilderness Act of 1964, such items are deemed trash and thus, are not
> permitted.
>
>
>
> Brian
>
> Team A.I.
>
>
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>
> *From:* az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:
> az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com] *On Behalf Of *Esteban
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:03 AM
>
> *To:* listserv@azgeocaching.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group
>
>
>
>
>
> Shadowace,
>
> I am new to this all and I really appreciate this information you posted
> because I honestly had no idea how much trouble the BLM says we should be
> going to.  So, for example, if someone hides a parking lot cache at ABC
> Supermarket, are they required to contact the BLM first and also the
> owner(s) of that land in which the parking lot resides for permission?  Wow.
>
> Also, you said "No wilderness area".  What exactly do you mean by this?
>
> - Esteban (bakura82)
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:11:44 -0700
> From: shadowace.az@gmail.com
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group
>
> Another thing that was tried as a reason for the last attempt was to make a
> unified front of cachers to represent ourselves with land managers in
> regards to placing caches legally with permission.
>
>  Many land managers are ready to see Geocaching outlawed in this state as
> well as other states because people simply refuse to follow simple
> guidelines such as 'get permission' 'no tribal lands' 'no NPS lands' 'No
> Wilderness areas'
>
>  Now you begin to create a governing body to organize all this together and
> form a groups to work on it. Many times it is a local group in the area of
> the person who gets it going who is then speaking for all cachers in the
> state.
>
>  Do you really think you want to be the one going to the BLM and promising
> that every cache on BLM land will be placed only after obtaining permission
> from the BLM manager of the area?
>
>  http://www.blm.gov/az/outrec/geocache.htm
>
> Arizona's
> *BLM's Geocaching Game Rules*
>
>    - *Identify proposed cache locations to the local BLM office before
>    placing a cache*
>    - Do not place caches at archaeological sites
>    - Obtain a BLM permit for any competitive events, contests for prizes,
>    paid participation, or caches hosted by commercial business
>    - Advise BLM if you observe any misuse or abuse of a cache location
>
>  Do you really want to be the one staking your word that everyone else is
> following the rules?
>
>  Honest show of hands, how many truly get permission before placing a
> cache?
>
>  I like the idea of a geocaching organization statewide however I also see
> truth in reality and know as long as groundspeak is open to everyone then
> many will not follow the rules and I for one no longer wish to stick my neck
> out with land managers.
>
> ~ShadowAce / Dirk
>
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