Wow, what a day that was. Glad you were able to help. Ive been trying to find photos of old mines, to show how hidden they can be. Unfortunately there are not many photos out there. A California site on BLM land. Better photos of it: Photo 1and Photo 2. Now this one is secured with a fence. Imagine this without a fence, and you can see why they are so dangerous. Imagine that with various desert scrub bushes growing around them, and they grow readily in the disturbed soil. There isnt anything that gives you a clue the shaft is there. Photo of the mine in Chloride the girl was killed in. Granted its all disturbed, but there isnt much to let you know a shaft is there. WEBOWITZ@aol.com wrote: Hello from Las Vegas, See my post on 04-11-04. GCJ3JA End Of The Line http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cachedetails.aspx?guid=5819c68b-9cac-4d25-b751-2b07ae2be04b&log=y&decrypt= Out caching with my buddies DMVC, we were met by paniced teenagers, their mid 20 something relative brought them to see mines in the area, no gear, no water, no sense at all, he walked into a mine in the dark he took a 40ft step. We didn't have climbing ropes that day and could not get to him to administer any first aid, but we did drop blankets and water to him and keep him talking, it did help ward off shock. He was busted up pretty bad and has a limp to go with his story. Be well, be safe and cache happy, DR Webe Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today!