Dear ShadowAce, You make a good point. However, I want to keep almost all the old information, i.e. logs, original owners name, location because it is a little unique and small. It is an urban cache that most do not like but it brings you close to some very interesting history of old Prescott. I know that many of us have lost a container and log. I don't believe that should be a criteria for making a totally new cache. When Michael LaPaglia suggested I make a new cache at the same waypoint location, it told me there was no complaint from a business nearby. He can not or will not tell me where it is stated in policy, black and white, that when a cache goes missing it must be archived. I know he or someone has the technical power to un-archive this cache so I can adopt it. I just don't know how much I want to push the issue. Bob Smith, Prescott ----- Original Message ----- From: ShadowAce To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Adopting a cache Basically to drop all the other spam that this became.... I would say this IMHO: New owner, New Cache, New Log. = New Cache Old Container, Old Log, New Owner = Reactivate. Since this cache is not the cache in question, it really is a new cache, new hide and as such deserves a new history. Thats my opinion and I like it, your feelings will vary. On 5/4/07, Bob & Linda Smith wrote: OK everyone, I need to find out why an archived cache can't be un-archived so the adopt program can be used. I am trying to get a cache back on line that the original owner can no longer maintain. I was told by Michael LaPaglia at GC.com that once a cache is archived it can not be un-archived. I am pretty sure that I read somewhere that a cache could be un-archived and brought back on line. If you want to look at the cache on line the way point is GCJWPV Bob and Linda Smith, Team Petite Elite Prescott, AZ