In fairness to Jared and the rest of the posters on this topic, I have no familiarity with actually going after urban micros or the seeking issues that come with these. I don’t doubt these things that have been mentioned to be true. The 'sneaking around' aspect of some of these caches sounds like no fun at all to me personally, and I would give up on a cache that appeared to leading me to that kind of situation. My point, and ShadowAce has heard my rant more than once, ;-) is that if others enjoy a certain cache, or cache type, and it’s within the law, then they should be allowed to play the game their way without being harassed by cachers who don’t like it. A negative find log when you were mislead about what you were seeking seems a great way to voice displeasure, but there are those who’d love to go further. Self-anointed cache cops are always waiting in the wings. How ‘bout an HOA-type organization to represent us and tell us about the proper way to cache? It’s been suggested. _____ From: az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of AZcachemeister Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 9:03 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Only an altoids tin!! Perhaps we all should have a look at this site: The Geocacher's Creed AZcachemeister wrote: DWYT is good! Here's another that has been used: >From Prime Suspect's Geo-lexicon. DPM – Including the letters “DPM” in a cache log was a once-secret way to indicate the cache was of low quality. DPM is an abbreviation for “des palourdes mortes", which is French for “the dead clams”. The entire French phrase is “Les longs sanglots des palourdes mortes blessent mon coeur avec un languor monotone pendant qu'ils dansent à minuit", which translates to “The long sobs of the dead clams wound my heart with a monotonous languor as they dance at midnight”. The idea was to include this phrase in a cache log to clue in others that the cache was of low quality. Rarely actually used, as the meaning of DPM quickly spread throughout the geocaching community, and its secrecy was lost. Jared Ross wrote: Anyone else have any ideas or comments on how we can improve the caches in our state? Maybe we need a special acronym. Instead of TFTC we could have DWYT (Don't Waste Your Time). Of course we could always start using this website to generate log entries for us: http://loungingatwalden.googlepages.com/RandomLog.html My favorite generated log entry: "This cache was ill-conceived and ill-received. You should turn your GPS over to the nearest authorities! TNLN and almost didn't bother signing the log!!" _____ ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com