Apparently you are a very uptight individual. The comment that was made about changing the cache information was more sarcasm than a suggestion. If you knew me (which you don't) I joke constantly about finding loopholes in systems and exploiting them (I'm a computer geek, that's part of my job). Does that mean I take action on it? No. It's the cache owner's responsibility to follow the rules of Geocaching.com. Do the rules state that a cache cannot be adult oriented? No. Do the rules say that a cache cannot be modified to be an adult cache? No. Therefore, was I telling anybody to break any rules? No. If Jeremy didn't want adult caches, he would have put that in the rules. The people who approve the caches are unpaid individuals, not Jeremy. One day you could get a person who would allow the adult oriented cache (see Put that in Your Pipe cache by Chicks With Trucks http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=32238 for an adult oriented cache), another day you would not.

As far as not financially supporting Geocaching.com, who are you to tell us that we need a charter membership to be supporting Geocaching.com? Team LeapLab (which I am a part of) has purchased several Geocaching.com items that support the site as well as over $400 in goods from OffRoute.com which in turn supports Geocaching.com. I'm sure that many of the cachers in Arizona have done the same. I bet that the cut Geocaching.com got for all of our purchases was far more than the cost of a year's membership and we plan to make many more purchases as we get more into Geocaching.

I do respect your opinion, but I felt that you should hear my side of the story before attacking me personally.

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Moriarty
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 5:06 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caches - Different Strokes For Different Folks

Brian,

I appreciate your reply, but you might want to go back and re-read my original message.

First, I said "attitude of some of the Geocachers in this state", not all. I have emailed and met several fellow cachers on the trails, and some of them are great. Others not so much.

Second, please note that I was replying directly to Brian LaFrance, not Mark, the original poster. It was Brian who suggested deceiving Jeremy by changing the cache after posting it, and it pissed me off. I have no problem with Adults Caches, but you, Brian, Mark, and I don't have the right to override their final decision on the matter. I have no problem with Mark's approach, and liked that he posted the cache info in this forum for interested parties. In my original post I even said "if you disagree with Geocaching.com's decision then discuss it, plead your case, etc.," so I don't understand why you felt I said anything to the contrary. My argument was simply that if you don't like Geocaching.com's policy the one thing you should NOT do is deceive them about it.

I stand by my assertation that you should be ashamed of yourself for not being a charter member if you have found more than 20 caches. According to the Geocaching.com site you have found 205 caches and hidden 3, and you have done absolutely nothing to support Geocaching.com for all the entertainment you have had. Who do you think pays for their electricity? Their computers? Internet connections? They need to pay their bills or they will shut down. They are not a charity. This isn't about Member Caches. I am a charter member and don't care for the idea, either. This is about people using their service and not paying for it. So since people like you who frequently use Geocaching.com won't carry your share, they are raising the rates for the people who DO pay. So I get to pay for your entertainment. Thanks a lot.

Jeff.