Well said, Loran. I am a fairly new cacher, and although I haven't yet hidden a cache, I have a sizeable supply of empty altoids tins, coffee cans, and old tupperware at home that I have set aside for Geocaching. I have thus-far not created a cache, because I'm still trying to learn what sucks and what is good.
 
For example, do people like multiple stage caches? Puzzle caches? For example, I've been struggling with the "19th Hole" cache for a couple weeks now, but it's a darn good combination of a multiple stage and puzzle cache, so I'm enjoying it, even if all the work is only giving me one find. I could have easily gone into boring parking lots to find caches, but this one interests me much more.
 
When I make my caches, I want to show y'all something new, or at least teach you something about me. I think I will try to make my caches intimite in that way. But I want to first learn how to do it in a way that is attractive and entertaining. So I'm planning on finding a ton more first, just to get some ideas of what is good. I'm not gonna outright copycat anyone, but I might just "borrow" a few ideas.
 
What's the saying? "Imitation is the best form of flattery," or something like that...
 
-FroBro Q-Tip
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of loran wilcox
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 11:23 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] what makes a good cache

The best caches are those that introduce you to a new area. Without these there are many places in Arizona I would have never seen.
 
I don't need an ammo box with lots of stuff to make a cache good. The good caches are those that someone has put some thought into. Hiding it in someplace special, finding a new way to hide the cache, or making a game of it with a puzzle or some other twist.
 
The worst caches are the copycats where a person just feels the need to hide a cache.
 
I am probably the worst one here in the valley at playing the numbers game but I just have this need to go after any new cache. And I will go after all caches I can. I don't like all the caches I find. Some are as Cody stated nothing more than "it counts as a find". Some people have wondered how I am able to find so many caches. First I have been out of work but beyond that when I can find 14 caches in 4 and 1/2 hours they are just too easy and/or too close together.
 
As I am leaving the area I will not have much influence on this area but I truly believe that more thought needs to be put into the placement of geocaches. I know there is that need to place a cache and a simple one near home for the first cache is probably acceptable.  But later hides need to show more thought.
 
For the new cachers out there, wait awhile before you hide a cache to learn some of the tricks. This will make the game more enjoyable for everyone. Don't worry about a negative karma number. If you look closely the most driven cachers have the highest negative karma (with exceptions). It doesn't mean a thing. No one expects you to hide a lot of caches. They only want you to hide good caches.
 
Have I said to much?
 
Loran (Team Sand Dollar)
 
----- Original Message -----
From: teamcbx2
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 8:55 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] what makes a good cache

Stepping up to soapbox...
 
Cheryl and I visited 14 caches today along with 2 not founds.  We visited some very cool cache sites and a couple that had absolutely no thought, planning, or creativity involved.  These are a waste of my time, your time, and everyone involved.  Yes it counts as a find, but thats it.  I would like to ask our fellow cachers to please put some thought into their caches.  At this rate, we'll have an altoid tin hidden on every corner of the city.  There are countless magnificent places here in Arizona as well as right here in the valley.  Please seek these out and share them with the Geocaching community. 
 
Stepping down,
Cody
Team CBX2
 
 
 
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From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of WOLFB8
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 8:20 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] what makes a good cache

With a increased number of geocacher in Arizona we have a increased number of people hiding caches. I was just wondering what people consider a good cache and a cache to just to add to your stats. I am not looking for names of caches. ( I do not want to hurt anyone feeling including mine if you think they suck) so if we were to break it down in to
 
for stats only
 
almost good
 
good
 
I will remember this one
 
great
 
Hopefully this can be a tool for the cacher out there who want to hide a cache or 2
 
Libby
We will be known by the tracks we leave behind