Hear, hear. While I have found my share of urban caches, I also have found a few (much fewer) rural/wilderness caches. I have found enjoyment in both. Some caches are urban, some wilderness. I have found both to be of interest. I have placed both types. I get thanks for both. Just because you have time/desire/funds/vehicles/resources/etc. to go out into the wilderness for your caches, does not mean the next cacher does. When the opportunities present themselves, or plans are able to make it a choice, I love to go get the more rural/remote cache. They are of great interest to me. But, due to other my time/resource/priority constraints, I am not able to go get them every weekend/day. Am I not to be able to go get the local cache challenge? Yes, some of them are less challenging than others. So what? Please remember, as enjoyable as this sport/hobby/game is, it is not the be all and end all of life. Family (wife, kids, parents etc.) do take a higher priority. Work/church needs to be attended to. Caching is a fun way to enhance life, not take it over. Steven Stringham StringCachers AZPAUL wrote: > Oh hell, here we go again. It seems that we just had this discussion > last week. I don't know why some cachers think that the way they play > the game is the only way to play it. If you don't like urban caches than > don't do them, its that simple. > > Besides, who are we to say which caches have value or not. If a cache > has given a cacher some fun and enjoyment finding it, then it has value. > > AZPAUL > > ----- Arizona Geocaching ----- > ----- Where difficulty is measured in degrees ----- > > > > PATRICK FINLEY wrote: > >> Very nicely put, Regan. There seems to be a whole generation of >> cachers who think lite pole caches and park bench/playground caches >> are the norm nowadays. I had the pleasure of sitting down with Jeff >> (Team 360) JR (team AJ.JR ) and Dave Ulmer a few years back, and was a >> little surprised with Daves take on the sport of geocaching that he >> gave birth to. Strangely enough, I remember him saying that he had no >> idea that geocaching would have become so big (with the help of >> Jeremy) and that he really didn't keep up with the game a whole lot. >> At that time he was travelling around the country in his motorhome and >> must have driven by a whole plethora of caches everyday. Maybe it was >> just my take on what he said, but I got the distinct feeling he wasn't >> too receptive of the idea of many of the urban/city caches being >> placed at that time. I wonder what his feelings are today? I hear >> about cachers with physical limitations, and I'm sure there are quite >> a few cachers out there with legitimate physical disabilities, but >> there's also a bunch of "lazy" cachers out there who spend way too >> much time sitting on their butt playing on the computer, by >> choice. Some of those cachers have limitations like being way too fat >> (bad knees, etc.) or just totally out of shape from sitting on their >> rears. Hands-On Cachers have a cache near Montana Mountain that is >> named "Get off the Couch, and Cache" (GC1JQY7) which says it all, as >> far as I'm concerned. I think many urban park/parking lot/electrical >> boxes/sprinkler head cachers use the excuse that these caches are >> hidden for those who just can't do the hiking or off-road caches due >> to physical limitations, wrong vehicle, or time constraints. That's >> baloney. I feel empathy for those who really are handicapped, but that >> group of cachers is a very small minority of the total caching crowd. >> For those who have ventured out in the desert or mountains to seek a >> hiking/off road cache, my hat's off to you. The feeling of actually >> having to put forth some effort to get to one of these caches >> is wonderful, and beats doing 25-50 urban caches, hands down. I still >> do a few urban caches, if I'm in the mood, but enjoy the caches placed >> in the boonies a whole lot more. AZcachemeister and AZgeckogirl, as >> well as AJ.JR , TEF, 360, ShadowAce,Desert Rhino, Sprocket 1980, >> Roping-the-Wind, Team A.I., Highpointer, Hands-On Cachers, Just Hike >> and quite a few others place mostly caches that include some effort to >> get to, a scenic location, and a sense of accomplishment. I know the >> numbers thing is attractive to quite a few cachers, as we got caught >> up in it in the "early" days, but do we need "power trails" such >> as Redundant #1 thru #100? There seems to be a rash of cachers placing >> caches .10 apart, with little, or no value, other than to pump up the >> numbers. Just because you have more finds than somebody else doesn't >> mean that you're a better cacher, or that folks respect you more. >> Arizona Ranger Team has quite a few less finds than I Do, but >> I respect their sense of adventure, and the type of caches they >> pursue. Anyway, I hope I haven't stepped on too many toes, and want to >> thank all of those cachers who place hides that have some true >> value............... >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Regan Smith >> *To:* listserv@azgeocaching.com >> *Sent:* Saturday, December 27, 2008 11:51 AM >> *Subject:* [Az-Geocaching] Why I became a Premium Member >> >> Ya Know I really didn't want to pay for a Premium Membership, as >> for the many years prior Geocaching was about the Geo taking the >> GPS putting in coordinates and finding a cache outside.. >> >> Now as if a bad plague I felt it very necessary for me to pay to >> Ignore armchair caching, Have all the good stand alone caching >> locations been taken that you have to add sitting infront of the >> computer playing math and phone games before going out to enjoy >> the outdoors. Has climate change done so much to ruin wanting to >> spend time outside???? >> >> When Dave Ulmer hid his cache he said come and find it, now how >> many take the trip to see that spot??.. Yes times change but the >> principle of here is a cache and go find it should not be perverted. >> >> >> I was told by Alex months ago if you do not like that type of hide >> why hide one like it? I so want to hide a more devious cache page >> cache so all the minority cachers can bitch and moan at their lack >> of understanding my logic but will not pervert the game any more. >> but the lock and cable will remain.... >> >> Just like giving the challenge to a few other cacher about >> stepping up their game I will add now Keep it up. >> >> >> Thanks ACM for the enlightenment of the Ignore button >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >> To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >> http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >> Arizona's Geocaching Resource >> http://www.azgeocaching.com >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >> To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >> http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >> Arizona's Geocaching Resource >> http://www.azgeocaching.com >> >> > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com >