That's fine. I just didn't want to start a witch hunt out of my ignorance. Esteban On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Brian Casteel wrote: > I just wanted to map them and see if I could help out a bit is all. > > > > Brian > > Team A.I. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto: > az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com] *On Behalf Of *Esteban > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:57 AM > > *To:* listserv@azgeocaching.com > *Subject:* Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group > > > > I still have a lot to learn before I can say with certainty that any cache > is questionable. > > > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Brian Casteel > wrote: > > I would appreciate it if you would provide a list of at least some of the > GCs for the caches you find questionable in terms of their location. You > can e-mail me privately as well if you prefer. > > > > Brian > > Team A.I. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto: > az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com] *On Behalf Of *Esteban > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:36 AM > *To:* listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > *Subject:* Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group > > > > I did some reading online. I need to check this out when i get home > because it seems that, legally speaking, geocaching is quite limited. So > far it seems that several the caches that I had in mind to visit may have > been inappropriately placed... > > Anyway, thanks for this tip. > > Esteban > > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Andrew Ayre > wrote: > > Wilderness areas are marked on Topo maps, so you can clearly see the > boundaries. > > Andy > > > Esteban wrote: > > Do you have a link I can read up more on this? I will do a seach > > myself, but I am curious what "wilderness" means because I can think of > > MANY caches here in Tucson that would seem to be part of the > "wilderness." > > > > Please excuse my ignorance and thank you for your patience. I am very, > > very new to this all. > > > > - Esteban (bakura82) > > > > > > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Brian Casteel > > > wrote: > > > > Any area designated as "wilderness", caches are not allowed. Per > > the Wilderness Act of 1964, such items are deemed trash and thus, > > are not permitted. > > > > > > > > Brian > > > > Team A.I. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > *From:* az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > > > [mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > ] *On Behalf > > Of *Esteban > > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:03 AM > > > > > *To:* listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > *Subject:* Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group > > > > > > > > > > > > Shadowace, > > > > I am new to this all and I really appreciate this information you > > posted because I honestly had no idea how much trouble the BLM says > > we should be going to. So, for example, if someone hides a parking > > lot cache at ABC Supermarket, are they required to contact the BLM > > first and also the owner(s) of that land in which the parking lot > > resides for permission? Wow. > > > > Also, you said "No wilderness area". What exactly do you mean by > this? > > > > - Esteban (bakura82) > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:11:44 -0700 > > > From: shadowace.az @gmail.com > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group > > > > Another thing that was tried as a reason for the last attempt was to > > make a unified front of cachers to represent ourselves with land > > managers in regards to placing caches legally with permission. > > > > Many land managers are ready to see Geocaching outlawed in this > > state as well as other states because people simply refuse to follow > > simple guidelines such as 'get permission' 'no tribal lands' 'no NPS > > lands' 'No Wilderness areas' > > > > Now you begin to create a governing body to organize all this > > together and form a groups to work on it. Many times it is a local > > group in the area of the person who gets it going who is then > > speaking for all cachers in the state. > > > > Do you really think you want to be the one going to the BLM and > > promising that every cache on BLM land will be placed only after > > obtaining permission from the BLM manager of the area? > > > > http://www.blm.gov/az/outrec/geocache.htm > > > > Arizona's > > > > > > *BLM's Geocaching Game Rules* > > > > * _Identify proposed cache locations to the local BLM office > > before placing a cache_ > > * Do not place caches at archaeological sites > > * Obtain a BLM permit for any competitive events, contests for > > prizes, paid participation, or caches hosted by commercial > > business > > * Advise BLM if you observe any misuse or abuse of a cache > location > > > > Do you really want to be the one staking your word that everyone > > else is following the rules? > > > > Honest show of hands, how many truly get permission before placing > > a cache? > > > > I like the idea of a geocaching organization statewide however I > > also see truth in reality and know as long as groundspeak is open to > > everyone then many will not follow the rules and I for one no longer > > wish to stick my neck out with land managers. > > > > ~ShadowAce / Dirk > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > -- > Andy > PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > >