In our case the original owner and I were talking and discussed the how's and whys of adopting All Aboard Gone up here. We just went about it backwards. There was a time when you could send an email to someone?? at GC.com and the adoption was done. This is how I adopted Not Forget the 'S' some years ago. Now you have to use an adoption page and the original owner should enter the data first that he/she is allowing you to adopt the cache. It starts here now: http://www.geocaching.com/adopt/ IF the original owner is out of the picture, I don't think there is any way in the world to adopt the cache any more. I have another one up here that I am keeping quite about, I have it on my watch list and if there is a note on it I will go over and take care of it or answer the person directly. The original owner is out of town now and we just have not got together to start the adoption correctly (in the opinion of GC.com) Sorry to see an old cache bite the dust. I believe it is one person at GC.com that is running the show and I have had many email exchanges with him and he is NO help or understanding. Good luck, Bob Smith, Team Petite Elite On 9/28/07, AZcachemeister wrote: We could have seen this coming back when Petite Elite attempted to adopt All Aboard Gone up in Prescott. I can't remember if the original owner was out of contact, but the logic was that the container was missing, so the cache could only be un-archived to the original owner, and not an adoptee. I read something in the forums that hinted that archived caches will be taken off the maps soon, so the only way you would be able to 'find' them would be by knowing the waypoint ID, or perhaps by looking at someones found list. Apparently 'cache permanence' is falling by the wayside, so stock up on 'Gladware' and just archive the cache and 'hide' a new one when the container disintegrates. Richard Daines wrote: There have been several conversations on the forum about just this topic and as predicted, this is the response. GC seems to lean to archiving rather that adoption if the original owner doesn't get involved. There is a similar cache here in Missouri that appears to have been quietly adopted but is Disabled none the less. Unless the original owner speaks up, I bet this one will be Disabled too regardless of it condition. I guess I can see the point that a cache needs an owner, a point of contact. Having to apply for a new cache at the location seems extreme but this is how GC tries to have control.