Bob, I wouldn't necessarily give up just yet. Guy is right that you probably won't win, but there's an off chance you do. I have a cache back in Ohio modeled after the library caches here in Phoenix and Prescott (such a great cache idea), however it took well over a month for it to be approved because the reviewer did not think that coordinates were an important part of the cache. I disagreed because no where in the description did I say it was at the library therefore the coordinates taking them to the front steps of the library were (IMHO) adequate use of a GPS unit. I respectfully disagreed with the reviewer and so in accordance with the guidelines I went to the groundspeak forums and carefully laid out the ENTIRE argument including both sides of the stories. Days later (and numerous pages on the forum) and a formal review of the guideline and my cache ended with my cache being approved as-is. I did decide to make some changes to it though which would have eliminated the need for the argument. So why did I keep pushing the issue even though I was eventually willing to change it? Because to me it was right and I felt the guidelines were being met. It was the principle of the matter. It was a long process and as many had said there have been very few occassions when the outcome has been in the cachers favor. Sorry for the rambling, I just wanted to give you a "success" story. If you haven't presented all the details of your issue in the forums I would recommend doing so. Jared ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob & Linda Smith To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2007 6:52:31 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Adopting a cache Thanks Robert, I have a cache very close to me that I've done the same thing with. I have it on my watch list and if it ever goes missing I run up and place a new container with new log. It was offered to me to adopt but I asked the owner if I could just take care of it for him and I'm glad to do it. If I had known that adopting GCJWPV was going to be so much trouble I would have replaced the cache and log long ago. Oh well..... Bob Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: JeepenJumpers@aol.com To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Adopting a cache Went after one today in the same shape! Decided to just replace the cache as a new one instead of asking for the adoption. I'm sure others would like the bump even if they have been there before. We just enjoyed the area and the view and thought it needed a replacement. My two cents but it's not worth much!!! Robert In a message dated 5/6/2007 5:32:15 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jaredmross@yahoo.com writes: It still seems weird that he's not giving you any concrete reason (that can be backed by gc.com policy or something) as to why you can't adopt that cache. Jared New owner, New Cache, New Log. = New Cache Old Container, Old Log, New Owner = Reactivate. ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html