Without a doubt, Azgeocaching.com is a main reason why we have enjoyed geocaching. The sense of community is a big plus. Sure the stats were nice, but the listserv is the main reason I use azgc.com. Mike and I have always appreciated your hard work on this site. Thank you Brian! Brian Cluff wrote:Nope, you'd have to go back to a time when geocaching.com appreciated the business that the free service azgeocaching.com gave them, insisting that people gave money to geocaching.com before they donated to azgeocaching.com... and before they blocked every address we had to be able to gather the data that made AzGeocaching.com what it was. As of Aug. 14 stats are no more, and at this moment in time they don't appear to be coming back either. Sure we could move to a different source of bandwidth, but it would be a short lived victory before they blocked that address as well. I just wonder if they thought about the several thousand people they also blocked from getting to geocaching.com when they made their decision to block our whole Internet service. I don't like to toot my own horn, but I know AzGeocaching.com had at least a little bit to do with the immense popularity of geocaching in Arizona and they wouldn't have had near as many subscribers without the discussions on the mailing list and the people that were into the numbers. The least they could do is allow us to exist for their own sake. AzGeocaching.com was never a leach on their system and never would have been, we always ran the website at our own cost and never tried to make it pay for itself at the cost of geocaching.com Brian Cluff AzGeocaching.com Team Snaptek Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.