Yes they seem to be disappearing. However this has long been the case. I think Steve from Team Tierra Buena perhaps put it best (very loosely quoted cause I can't remember it exactly), Travel Bugs are like Sea Turtles, many are hatched and go toward their goals but only a few survive and return or actually make their goals - Steve probably remembers it a lot better than I do, and perhaps will more accurately tell us his quote. I think lately, just looking around up here that there is a certain element out there that just goes to caches that have TB's in them and remove them...probably putting them up in as a little trophy shelf. My brother in Michigan had feces put into one of his caches...it was one you had to SNOWSHOE into in the winter. We recently found a cache up here that was the size of a large prescription bottle that was filled with URINE. Here is the log. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=a6ac676f-96b9-485f-8da6-670ef76caa9b So the part you have put in about the Mad Crapper doesn't surprise me. One thing that I have done with some of my TB losses is to re-issue TB's under the lost TB's Copy Tag. I make sure they are truly gone...haven't had a log for some time. In fact I just re-released a couple this last week which I was certain are truly missing. they both had very short lives when they were released in Arizona. I clearly put on the web page that these are copy tags...so as not to upset the "purists" out there. That way I don't have to buy more tags. Some examples: http://www.geocaching.com/track/details.aspx?id=3868 http://www.geocaching.com/track/details.aspx?id=5549 http://www.geocaching.com/track/details.aspx?id=4771 http://www.geocaching.com/track/details.aspx?id=21580 That said, I have had TB's turn up after over a year being missing. So you never know. Anyway, that is an alternative that you can do with your TB's...should you desire to do so. Joe TeamBlunder ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Wood To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 10:44 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another missing bug I had another bug go missing. I wanted to post the message I received about it to show what others are going though. --